Hong Kong to set up a new city in Ireland?

2u2me

Trump wanted a wall to keep people out.

Seems Xi(Who made himself leader for life) would like a wall to keep people in.

4068ac1elhodqr

shootermacg wrote: »

I have no issues whatsoever, with this. This is a seriously underpopulated country. As long as the inhabitants live by Irish law, it's a win for everyone.

Although the HK/Chinese are a great bunch of lads, any unnatural and sudden and large increase in any type of human geography would create a whole range of problems. Not just on public services, housing and so on, but impacts on actual native culture and traditions.

shootermacg wrote: »

As long as nobody would be giving them the land, they would be free to purchase it at the going rate though.

Land is one thing, building accomodation and wider services to compliment that (schools, roads, transport hubs, hospitals etc) is the guts of 10-20yrs.

There would be more chance of <3m HK's going to the North, than anywhere in crowded Britain. E.g. The uk offers them right to remain, but also turns NI into a low tax zone (as proposed), it's also one of the cheapest places to source land and fairly low population density, currently reliant on public sector. Belfast also has a large Chinese community already.

However this could also rule out completely, any chance, ever of a UI. e.g. If 1m+ were to arrive (with stronger historical ties to colonial britain), thus distorting any future vote on the matter (currently 45:55 or so, in favour of UI).

Rodney Bathgate

Limpy wrote: »

And will they be pledging loyalty to the Queen and commonwealth? No thanks

Which queen?

Clarence Boddiker

shootermacg wrote: »

I have no issues whatsoever, with this. This is a seriously underpopulated country. As long as the inhabitants live by Irish law, it's a win for everyone.

As long as nobody would be giving them the land, they would be free to purchase it at the going rate though.

What do you mean underpopulated?

shootermacg

Clarence Boddiker wrote: »

What do you mean underpopulated?

Ah Jesus now! go get a dictionary.

Clarence Boddiker

shootermacg wrote: »

Ah Jesus now! go get a dictionary.

Sorry, I'm an environmentalist and so view overpopulation as a dire threat to the ecosystem. We're very lucky to have the population we have. Thats not to say we are managing what we have well, we certainy could do with more wilderness, more natural landscape.
Not everything is about economics and money.

But I accept that many modern people have lost any sense of the land, the environment, common identity, culture, community, beauty in nature and are merely hyper materialists and hyper consumers who know the price of everything and the value of nothing.

deathbomber

why is there even a thread on this, never going to happen and should not happen. 2 million more folk, Asians and very democratic, over time, only negative (some violent) situations would arise.

punisher5112

Look at China, they're snapping up property and land everywhere.....

China and it's ways is pure wrong especially how they treat their own people and then look at the Corona virus and all the others that originated there.....

engleburt

Muahahaha wrote: »

Hong Kong banks are known to engage in wild west type banking and turning a blind eye to washing mafia money. Their main bank HSBC was caught money laundering almost $1bn a couple of years back and thats just the tip of the iceberg.

You dont get big in China unless you are CCP, the whole country is one big scam, no one believes any figures coming out of China that are released by the CCP, this Hong Kong in Ireland will be a scam and end in tears
https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Caixin/Mystery-of-2bn-of-loans-backed-by-fake-gold-in-China

engleburt

Clarence Boddiker wrote: »

What do you mean underpopulated?

Learn the woke code
Its a land that is too white , it needs to be culturally enriched

Gradius

It feels like the idea of Ireland being a country, as opposed to being a colony, is hanging by a thread.

punisher5112

Let's just say it were true.... Bye bye Ireland and any culture you once had.....

saabsaab

punisher5112 wrote: »

Let's just say it were true.... Bye bye Ireland and any culture you once had.....

Ah now give it a few years and they'll be more Irish than us. Look at the chippers and restaurants up and down the country.

homes_for_all

punisher5112 wrote: »

Let's just say it were true.... Bye bye Ireland and any culture you once had.....

I'm not sure why people think they would. Even if they were to move en-masse, your average HKer has a pretty good opinion of Britain and their history. That, their passport setup and the City make the UK far more likely than Ireland for whatever's being proposed.

joeguevara

As per the first post, broadsheet.ie is a satirical website and similar to Waterford whispers, or am I missing something it? Why is a joke in the current affairs section?

lucernarian

Muahahaha wrote: »

They tried to CPO land next to Intel from that farmer and lost so yeah CPO would not be a viable option here. And nor is finding 80 square miles of land, the State has that in national parks and Coilte but we're not going cutting down hundreds of thousands of trees at a time when we should be planting more. The only way it could happen is by the consent of existing landowners and farmers are generally not in the business of selling land unless it is completely necessary. You might find the odd farmer who will take a big cheque but finding 80 sqaure miles worth of privately owned land would be impossible.

The other side of this that hasnt been mentioned is do we really want to start a trade war with Beijing? Any country giving Hong Kongers refuge from the CCP is going to face a response in kind. For us that means Beijing would likely ban the import of Irish beef. Bord Bia have only just opened up this market and with 1.4bn citizens and a rapidly growning middle class who like premium products it is important for Irish agriculture that we can export our beef to China.

Overall it is pie in the sky and you would wonder what civil servants within the Department of Foreign affairs are doing wasting their time on this. Even talking openly about something that is never going to come to fruition anyway is risking our trade relationship with Beijing.

Considering what's happening in modern China, do we really need to lower the bar even further by kowtowing to a despotic regime?

Harry Palmr

Ireland was trading with Libya as Qaddafi was arming the IRA, money money money. In fact it's happening right now as the regime wages war on the competing regime!

Mr. Karate

Clarence Boddiker wrote: »

What do you mean underpopulated?

Because apparently according the revisionist historians there were supposedly 10 million people in Ireland at one point.

We can barely take care of 5 million. 10 million will collapse us completely.

Harry Palmr

Ireland could support 30 million without a problem it it had the political, technical and logistical ability to do so but it doesn't of course!

It would take about a century to make real even if it were a state national policy.

Clarence Boddiker

Dundalk chamber of Commerce meet with investors to discuss proposals

http://www.dundalkleader.com/2020/08/20/chamber-hear-honk-kong-investor-plans/

A university, a new regional hospital and a light rail system were just some of the proposals being discussed last Friday as a representative from The Emerald Pearl Project met with the Dundalk Chamber of Commerce.
The Emerald Pearl Project describe themselves as an advocacy group working with all parties to share more information about the proposed Irish Chartered City put forward by the Victoria Harbour Group.
The Hong Kong based Victoria Harbour Group recently unveiled plans to build a city in Ireland which will provide for a population of 30,000- split between Chinese and locals with a view to growing to up to 100,000 people.
The investors are interested in developing a new urban centre in Louth for ex patriots from the former British colony and Irish citizens and residents.
“We met Dave from the Emerald Pearl Project on Friday and he was anxious to talk to us and answer any questions that we had,” said Dundalk Chamber of Commerce PRO Paddy Malone.
Paddy was among a group from the chamber, who met with Dave McDaid in Dundalk who put forward proposals issued by the Victoria Harbour Group.
“They said nothing to frighten us away but there are questions we haven’t thought of yet. We told them we are not interested if it’s not integrated.
“They stressed over and over again that was their intention. They want to reach out and be involved in the community.”
The proposal provides for a population of 30,000 – divided between Chinese and locals, with a view to growing to up 100,000.
The backers of the project have emphasised that they want to work closely with the Irish government and local authorities in developing their proposal.
He said the investors are impressed by the infrastructure currently in place along the M1 Corridor.
“We have an integrated community already and we want that to continue. It was an introductory chat and that’s all that could be said about it,” said Paddy.
“We need to make sure it’s integrated and that it enhances the region and doesn’t destroy it. We’ve got to be careful.”

saabsaab

Clarence Boddiker wrote: »

Dundalk chamber of Commerce meet with investors to discuss proposals

http://www.dundalkleader.com/2020/08/20/chamber-hear-honk-kong-investor-plans/

A university, a new regional hospital and a light rail system were just some of the proposals being discussed last Friday as a representative from The Emerald Pearl Project met with the Dundalk Chamber of Commerce.
The Emerald Pearl Project describe themselves as an advocacy group working with all parties to share more information about the proposed Irish Chartered City put forward by the Victoria Harbour Group.
The Hong Kong based Victoria Harbour Group recently unveiled plans to build a city in Ireland which will provide for a population of 30,000- split between Chinese and locals with a view to growing to up to 100,000 people.
The investors are interested in developing a new urban centre in Louth for ex patriots from the former British colony and Irish citizens and residents.
“We met Dave from the Emerald Pearl Project on Friday and he was anxious to talk to us and answer any questions that we had,” said Dundalk Chamber of Commerce PRO Paddy Malone.
Paddy was among a group from the chamber, who met with Dave McDaid in Dundalk who put forward proposals issued by the Victoria Harbour Group.
“They said nothing to frighten us away but there are questions we haven’t thought of yet. We told them we are not interested if it’s not integrated.
“They stressed over and over again that was their intention. They want to reach out and be involved in the community.”
The proposal provides for a population of 30,000 – divided between Chinese and locals, with a view to growing to up 100,000.
The backers of the project have emphasised that they want to work closely with the Irish government and local authorities in developing their proposal.
He said the investors are impressed by the infrastructure currently in place along the M1 Corridor.
“We have an integrated community already and we want that to continue. It was an introductory chat and that’s all that could be said about it,” said Paddy.
“We need to make sure it’s integrated and that it enhances the region and doesn’t destroy it. We’ve got to be careful.”

Interesting. Where will they get their water for a new city. Dublin can't spare it.

ronnie085

lucernarian wrote: »

Considering what's happening in modern China, do we really need to lower the bar even further by kowtowing to a despotic regime?

We do that to the US anyway

WrenBoy

ronnie085 wrote: »

We do that to the US anyway

Better the devil you know and all that..

mikhail

Gideon Bald Tenet wrote: »

你好熱亞洲女士 Nǐ hǎo rè yàzhōu nǚshì

Hello hot (in the temperature sense) Asian prostitute?

Maybe the characters have different shades of meaning in Cantonese rather than Mandarin.

0xzmro3n4y7lb5

Plans moving forward . .

Plans by a Chinese billionaire to build a new city for thousands of Hong Kong residents in Ireland are moving forward as he intends to visit the country in the coming weeks.

Under the plans, up to 15,000 Hong Kongers would relocate to a newly built development called Nextpolis near Dundalk, Co Louth, over the next five years on a 50km sq site, making it the country's fifth largest city. There has been debate over whether the idea would hugely boost the local economy or be dismissed as folly and sci-fi fantasy.

In July, it was revealed Chinese billionaire Ivan Ko, chief executive of the Victoria Harbour Group (VHG), was searching for a site to relocate 500,000 Hong Kong nationals, on an autonomous 500km sq plot in one of six Irish sites.

Sounds crazy.

https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/billionaire-to-visit-louth-in-bid-to-build-nextpolis-city-for-hong-kong-citizens-39497216.html

Dr. Bre

Will he bring the crap living spaces they have in Hong Kong?

Beltby

It has to be some sort of financial scam. We have spent years trying to get rid of british rule, only to let these lads waltz in and set up shop and we have no say in what they get up to?

fly_agaric

Esperanza Flaky Sportscaster wrote: »

Plans moving forward . . Sounds crazy.

Seems like pie in the sky/madness but what do I know. Maybe some of the wealthy (in Hong Kong) are getting a bit frantic now?

Does seem like China's govt. is intent on bringing the 1 country 2 systems idea for Hong Kong to a close early (coinciding with their perhaps faster than expected rise to "superpower" status).

FarmerBrowne

Bertie Bowl mark II

0xzmro3n4y7lb5

On one hand I can’t believe it to be real yet there’s this feeling in my stomach that our politicians are capable of anything.