Brexit discussion thread XIII (Please read OP before posting)

Igotadose

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It sounds completely wrong to leave business hanging just so politicians, who have failed, can save face and not have to take the blame.

But...Boris did say, "Fuck business." And I think if businesses held politicians feet to the fire, e.g. standing them up in a group with a few thousand business people all shouting, "What should we expect? What should we do" the politicos will eventually break down and say, "We've no bloody idea. What do you think?" 4 years and really, the politicians are years away from knowing what to do or recommend.

Good luck, England, in a few weeks.

Hermy

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

If a deal is eventually agreed, I hope we can trust the UK to abide by it.

The current UK administration can't be trusted on anything.

dogbert27

Igotadose wrote: »

But...Boris did say, "Fuck business." And I think if businesses held politicians feet to the fire, e.g. standing them up in a group with a few thousand business people all shouting, "What should we expect? What should we do" the politicos will eventually break down and say, "We've no bloody idea. What do you think?" 4 years and really, the politicians are years away from knowing what to do or recommend.

Good luck, England, in a few weeks.

Maybe they have told some business people what to do, e.g. Dyson!

beggars_bush

Boris will want to be seen to be the saviour of the deal.
Its all about optics

ancapailldorcha

beggars_bush wrote: »

Boris will want to be seen to be the saviour of the deal.
Its all about optics

I hate to say it but this might be right. The problem with the deal is that someone in the Brexit coalition is getting disappointed and there's nothing Johnson can do about it. All he's interested in is playing the saviour while doing as little as possible in the process.

dogbert27

beggars_bush wrote: »

Boris will want to be seen to be the saviour of the deal.
Its all about optics

I think Boris is really believing he is Churchill reincarnated! :rolleyes:

Headshot

When a government are willing to break international law without even thinking twice, how can you trust that?

ElJeffe

Patser wrote: »

Not sure how linked this is to Brexit, it seems to be excused as a Covid reaction, but hard not to see a brexit dimension.

But UK Dept if Transport is relaxing the European Driving hour regulations to assist with uncertainty regarding freight transport. So Yay, drivers now can work longer hours, with fewer breaks and disregard regulations brought in for road safety

https://twitter.com/RHARodMcKenzie/status/1336727215522914304

As a coach and occasional truck driver who's been stopped by VOSA on many an occasion in the UK and lectured about driving hours i find this hilarious.

ancapailldorcha

Headshot wrote: »

When a government are willing to break international law without even thinking twice, how can you trust that?

I think now that that might have been the same sort of silly gambit that we saw with the prorogation of Parliament in 2019. All it really accomplished was to waste time while trying to score points with the public. Now, Johnson can say that he got something from the Europeans while anyone who's been following this rolls their eyes.

An Ciarraioch

While we await the substantive news to emerge, the menu doesn't sound particularly appetising - pumpkin soup with scallops, followed by turbot in wasabi sauce:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/09/brexits-fishy-business-called-for-turbot-charged-talks

dogbert27

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

While we await the substantive news to emerge, the menu doesn't sound particularly appetising - pumpkin soup with scallops, followed by turbot in wasabi sauce:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/09/brexits-fishy-business-called-for-turbot-charged-talks

Starter sounds good, not so much the main.

Is it supposed to be symbolic that their are 2 fish courses?!

Sam Russell

dogbert27 wrote: »

Starter sounds good, not so much the main.

Is it supposed to be symbolic that their are 2 fish courses?!

As long as it's not two course fishes. Don't forget Ursala VdL has to eat it to.

storker

dogbert27 wrote: »

Starter sounds good, not so much the main.

What? No humble pie for Boris?

Frank Bullitt

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1336789203603116034

Serious delusion from this donkey. Right up until the last minute, they still spout this crap

Leonard Hofstadter

Amazing how even now, they still don't get it.

Larbre34

Let 'em off now for a few months of no deal and politically kill off Farage, Banks, Tice, and the ERG forever.

A little revolution now and then is a healthy thing.

BorneTobyWilde

If EU agree to a deal, the British will be like '' ah they're only agreeing because they're screwing us over'' No matter what deal the EU agree, the Brexiters think it's because the EU are winning.
Can win with Brexiters . No deal will be good enough, no matter how much backing down the EU do.

Enzokk

Gintonious wrote: »

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1336789203603116034

Serious delusion from this donkey. Right up until the last minute, they still spout this crap

He is not the only one,

https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/1336457997556576262?s=20

Still now they cling on to the fantasy of their might.


Well that was quick,

https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1336796349598195712?s=20

Who knows what that means.

Enzokk

Oh for goodness sake,

https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1336797161091194880?s=20

Just put us out of our misery, you either want a deal or you don't. If Johnson wants a deal he will have to move, if he doesn't, why do we have to wait for another 4 days. This is just ridiculous by now.

SleetAndSnow

Enzokk wrote: »

Oh for goodness sake,

https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1336797161091194880?s=20

Just put us out of our misery, you either want a deal or you don't. If Johnson wants a deal he will have to move, if he doesn't, why do we have to wait for another 4 days. This is just ridiculous by now.

Must've found a new can. Ridiculous at this point


https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1336798061578903553?s=20

El Weirdo

Gintonious wrote: »

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1336789203603116034

Serious delusion from this donkey. Right up until the last minute, they still spout this crap

Well if he's been advising them, is it any surprise that they're in the state they're in?

Strazdas

I'm assuming that things genuinely must be going badly. If Johnson was angling for a PR win, he would hardly have flounced out and flown straight back to London with not even a hint of progress made.

FrancieBrady

Strazdas wrote: »

I'm assuming that things genuinely must be going badly. If Johnson was angling for a PR win, he would hardly have flounced out and flown straight back to London with not even a hint of progress made.

No press conference?

opinionated3

Strazdas wrote: »

I'm assuming that things genuinely must be going badly. If Johnson was angling for a PR win, he would hardly have flounced out and flown straight back to London with not even a hint of progress made.

I honestly don't believe he went there with any intention of getting a deal. We are in a situation now where optics are king.......

Strazdas

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No press conference?

No : left the building and headed straight back to London without speaking to anyone (not a good sign).

Mr.Nice Guy

Given Johnson's flair for the dramatic and theatrical performances there's a part of me that thinks a new deadline which is 12 days from Christmas was deliberately chosen so Johnson can play the part of the festive gift giver if there's a deal.

'And I say to you, friends, now you can be of good cheer. We have found a way forward to prosper mightily. Merry Christmas one and all' yadda, yadda, yadda. It is Panto season after all.

Frank Bullitt

Enzokk wrote: »

He is not the only one,

https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/1336457997556576262?s=20

Still now they cling on to the fantasy of their might.


Well that was quick,

https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1336796349598195712?s=20

Who knows what that means.

That news night clip is terrifying with the levels of stupid in it

ancapailldorcha

opinionated3 wrote: »

I honestly don't believe he went there with any intention of getting a deal. We are in a situation now where optics are king.......

I think it's more brinkmanship but von der Leyen won't be biting. The British will have to compromise or have no deal. No deal represents failure politically for Johnson. If it didn't, he'd have proudly walked away. He's still going back for more for a reason.

BonnieSituation

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

If a deal is eventually agreed, I hope we can trust the UK to abide by it.

When has the UK ever been trustworthy?

cameramonkey

Gintonious wrote: »

That news night clip is terrifying with the levels of stupid in it

He starts of saying that the EU is desperate for a deal then ends saying the UK is desperate for a deal. Bit of a clown really.