Brexit discussion thread XIII (Please read OP before posting)

beggars_bush

BlitzKrieg wrote: »

EU is still in fishing fully for next 5 and half years and we dont know the terms after, so can kicked there.

Level playing field is in effect.

So what did the UK get out of this?

Blue passports

Strazdas

Leroy42 wrote: »

Doesn't matter. It only matters if they believe they can convince others that it is a good deal.

Matt Cooper remarked today that everything Johnson says about the deal will be a lie : that should be your only reference point.

Beechwoodspark

The whole thing has been choreographed.

All PR as per usual with BoJo

landofthetree

Boris has got a great fisheries deal, said goodbye to the ECJ, full control over GB borders and a free trade deal.

RTE in tears. Clinging to the believe that the mickey mouse states can object. FFS.

Diplomats from EU member states, which would have to approve any technical agreement, were less optimistic however, warning that they still needed to see a text and that problems may remain.

Professor Moriarty

landofthetree wrote: »

Boris has got a great fisheries deal, said goodbye to the ECJ, full control over GB borders and a free trade deal.

RTE in tears. Clinging to the believe that the mickey mouse states can object. FFS.

Well done the UK. Wishing them the very best of luck. Bye bye.

Choosehowevr.

Strazdas wrote: »

Matt Cooper remarked today that everything Johnson says about the deal will be a lie : that should be your only reference point.

Hmm!

fash

Christy42 wrote: »

If that is true then it is simply a permanent transition agreement. In the EU in all but name. If true obviously.

No - they don't get the benefits of membership - no freedom of movement, no freedom of services, no access to security databases or ability to return refugees- the things that are most important to them.

BlitzKrieg

All I am hearing is a bunch of can kicking. Everything seems to be staying as it currently is in terms of fishing, trade etc but will be looked at again in 4/5 years

Cody montana

BlitzKrieg wrote: »

All I am hearing is a bunch of can kicking. Everything seems to be staying as it currently is in terms of fishing, trade etc but will be looked at again in 4/5 years

Brexiteers won’t be happy.
But what’s new.

gifted

So fast forward 5 years and it turns out that the UK is doing well....good economy..low unemployment..etc etc...what are the chances of other countries like Holland..Spain...France looking at the UK and saying " Let's leave as well"......

20silkcut

BlitzKrieg wrote: »

All I am hearing is a bunch of can kicking. Everything seems to be staying as it currently is in terms of fishing, trade etc but will be looked at again in 4/5 years

That’s a good result

landofthetree

fash wrote: »

No - they don't get the benefits of membership - no freedom of movement, no freedom of services, no access to security databases or ability to return refugees- the things that are most important to them.

How many British go live in the EU countries? A sizeable number but they prefer Auz,Canada,NZ etc.

Just like the Irish.

BlitzKrieg

So from what I can follow (when it was in english)

Fishing stays as it currently is but will be renegotiated in 5.5 years

Level playing field and access remains as it currently does but the UK will have the opportunity to negotiate terms in 4-5 years.


It's a can kick, it's all a ****ing can kick. Typical Boris

landofthetree

gifted wrote: »

So fast forward 5 years and it turns out that the UK is doing well....good economy..low unemployment..etc etc...what are the chances of other countries like Holland..Spain...France looking at the UK and saying " Let's leave as well"......

The Euro makes it much more difficult to leave.

devnull

landofthetree wrote: »

How many British go live in the EU countries? A sizeable number but they prefer Auz,Canada,NZ etc.

Just like the Irish.

Plenty of British in Spain.

alchemist33

landofthetree wrote: »

Boris has got a great fisheries deal, said goodbye to the ECJ, full control over GB borders and a free trade deal.

RTE in tears. Clinging to the believe that the mickey mouse states can object. FFS.

Yeah, RTE really don't care.

wpd

am i missing something here
so the UK must maintain the same standards as the EU in order to have free trade access to EU market however they no longer
have to pay to the EU gravy train, they can control migration from other EU countries.
they can do trade deals with rest of world as long as it is inline with EU trade deals and they have slightly restricted EU access to fish in their waters.
SO tell me what has the UK lost in real terms that is detrimental to them, I just cant see what it is???

briany

I remember David Davis saying, what seems like a long time ago now, "There will be a fudge..."

VinLieger

wpd wrote: »

am i missing something here
so the UK must maintain the same standards as the EU in order to have free trade access to EU market however they no longer
have to pay to the EU gravy train, they can control migration from other EU countries.
they can do trade deals with rest of world as long as it is inline with EU trade deals and they have slightly restricted EU access to fish in their waters.
SO tell me what has the UK lost in real terms that is detrimental to them, I just cant see what it is???

They have no say in the rules and standards? I think theres a word they used for describing it, now what was it? Oh yeah Sovereignty what this was all supposedly about.

landofthetree

devnull wrote: »

Plenty of British in Spain.

Around 250,000. A sizeable number alright.

1.2million live in Auz.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-36299682

suicide_circus

Whats the crack with the North???

Beechwoodspark

Johnson spinning up a storm

BlitzKrieg

wpd wrote: »

am i missing something here
so the UK must maintain the same standards as the EU in order to have free trade access to EU market however they no longer
have to pay to the EU gravy train, they can control migration from other EU countries.

My understanding is they do still have to pay in for the cooperation services they are part of. Freedom of movement is the only area I'm not sure about as no one has said anything about it.

This isnt a win for the UK, it's a secret extension of the transition period so Boris could save face on his "no extension" bravado.

PokeHerKing

landofthetree wrote: »

Around 250,000. A sizeable number alright.

1.2million live in Auz.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-36299682

750k in Spain. Second only to Australia. 250k is France, same amount as Canada/NZ etc

PokeHerKing

wpd wrote: »

am i missing something here
so the UK must maintain the same standards as the EU in order to have free trade access to EU market however they no longer
have to pay to the EU gravy train, they can control migration from other EU countries.
they can do trade deals with rest of world as long as it is inline with EU trade deals and they have slightly restricted EU access to fish in their waters.
SO tell me what has the UK lost in real terms that is detrimental to them, I just cant see what it is???

They used to have the 6 counties.

Antwerpian

fash wrote: »

No - they don't get the benefits of membership - no freedom of movement, no freedom of services, no access to security databases or ability to return refugees- the things that are most important to them.

The Brexiteers
FOM --- didnt want it
Services --- The city isnt as bothered as you think
Security Databases -- The UK security services believe they can go solo or just get back door access they also believe the EuroSecurity is untrustworthy
Return Refugees -- Look at the ERG , they won't be saving drowning refugees

These people see what ordinary decent human beings see as natural as anathema.

Sorry to be so negative.
As a Briton who's been enjoying the benefits of the EEC/EU for most if my life, living and working throughout Europe fir the past 21 years, I fail to see how else I can be

Sierra Oscar

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Johnson spinning up a storm

He needs to. UK now bound indefinitely to future negotiations when they need to deviate on standards, including when the EU strengthens its own standards.

Hurrache

landofthetree wrote: »

RTE in tears. Clinging to the believe that the mickey mouse states can object. FFS.

Not quite sure your take is accurate, what does this even mean?

devnull

Full Agreement has now been published here:
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_20_2531

Checklist on what they have vs a full member here:
https://twitter.com/MarkDiStef/status/1342129505540984837

An Ciarraioch

landofthetree wrote: »

Boris has got a great fisheries deal, said goodbye to the ECJ, full control over GB borders and a free trade deal.

RTE in tears. Clinging to the believe that the mickey mouse states can object. FFS.

How is 25% quota and 5.5 years of the status quo "a great fisheries deal"?