Brexit discussion thread XIII (Please read OP before posting)

looksee

mrunsure wrote: »

As I mentioned a few weeks ago, I'm interested in moving to Ireland from England but it won't be for a few years yet because of my partner's job. This may seem a silly thing, but I'm worried that the problems with online shopping will put my partner off the idea. She subscribes to Amazon Prime and doesn't like shopping in physical shops. I'm also worried about how much it is going to cost. I've got most of my money within stock market investments that are sheltered from tax within ISAs. So I'd be paying a lot of tax on my investments if I moved to Ireland. Housing in Ireland is so expensive as well. So we would be massively worse off moving to Ireland. I'm prepared to pay the price but not sure my partner is. The alternative is to move to Scotland where she comes from where housing is cheap, it enjoys a favourable tax situation for investing and they can use UK online shopping.

Regardless, I definitely want to leave England as I've disowned it since 2016.

There are going to be pros and cons about living anywhere, you accept some things in exchange for benefitting from others. As with England or Scotland house prices vary throughout the country.

Since your wife already has ties with Scotland and you just want to leave England then Scotland would seem like a no-brainer.

BorneTobyWilde

Pound needs to weaken for others to buy in UK now, a strong currency is a hindrance not an advantage , ideally 1 euro gets you 1.75 pound.
China loves a weak currency .

Jizique

mrunsure wrote: »

Yes, see the summary as posted by the UK Government:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/948093/TCA_SUMMARY_PDF.pdf

That’s a big win for the British - taking out insurance before every football trip or holiday would have been something they would gave really noticed

Shelga

I read that RoI will fund EHICs for residents of NI after Brexit- why?

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2020/12/10/news/details-of-irish-government-s-eu-medical-reimbursement-scheme-could-be-published-within-weeks-2155796/

BorneTobyWilde

So much false info online, all based on a no deal outcome, so it's all confusing at this point.

Jizique

Shelga wrote: »

I read that RoI will fund EHICs for residents of NI after Brexit- why?

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2020/12/10/news/details-of-irish-government-s-eu-medical-reimbursement-scheme-could-be-published-within-weeks-2155796/

That’s why I am confused......
If the British were doing this for all their 65m, we wouldn’t have to. I can understand the Irish govt funding Erasmus for our northern folk as the British are out of this programme, but the EHIC makes little sense if the above is true; I had read that they were offering an EHIC to settled EUers, but the suggestion was that this covered U.K. treatment.
Very confusing

listermint

Sam Russell wrote: »

GBP is slipping - the markets must have read the deal.

91.44 p = €1

All since 5 pm today. 1.5 p fall in a few hours.

Might be just be too many mince pies on top of too much turkey.

Revolut appears static .89

HalfAndHalf

Sam Russell wrote: »

GBP is slipping - the markets must have read the deal.

91.44 p = €1

All since 5 pm today. 1.5 p fall in a few hours.

Might be just be too many mince pies on top of too much turkey.

Interesting seeing as the markets have been closed since 13:00 on Xmas Eve.

Transferwise and Apple stocks have static 0.899

Padre_Pio

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Pound needs to weaken for others to buy in UK now, a strong currency is a hindrance not an advantage , ideally 1 euro gets you 1.75 pound.
China loves a weak currency .

Not really. UK needs to import everything in order to assemble and produce goods.
Weak currency means high fuel price, higher raw materials, being undercut by foreign competition.

BonnieSituation

looksee wrote: »

Just on the topic of importing from the UK, I recently purchased an item from Screwfix Ireland - there was no indication that I was purchasing from the UK, and a previous purchase from them apparently came from Ireland. The delivery notification told me it was coming from the UK and it took 2 weeks to do so. So what happens in future? I think I am ordering locally and discover I am caught in the whole customs/regulations thing? Do they have any obligation to say where goods are coming from?

I was similar ordering from them. It was mostly necessity as I wouldn't ordinarily buy from non Irish sites/stores it I can help it .
I'm presuming that from January 1st they will just have to make it clear. Who knows.

Enzokk

Seems to me that there is a major contradiction in the deal and the way victory is claimed by both sides. The UK is claiming they have taken control of their sovereignty and the EU will not tell it what standards or regulations they have to abide by. At the same time they are saying they have zero tariff trade with the EU. The EU claimed they have a commitment that the UK will abide by EU regulations and if they diverge from those they will have tariffs levied against them. So if the UK decides to sovereignly diverge from EU standards and regulations then they don't have zero tariff trading any longer. Cannot have your cake and eat it.

I was just pondering what Labour should be doing with the deal and I have come to the conclusion that they cannot do anything but support it. This is not their deal and if they oppose it and it fails to go through they will own no-deal. Just like the invasion of Iraq isn't upon the shoulders of the Conservative Party, even though they overwhelmingly supported it, the same is the case for Labour here. If the Tories opposed the government with that vote it would have been defeated. But people blame Blair and the government at the time for their actions.

So basically supporting a bad deal is a better option than opposing it or abstaining and no-deal happening due to that.

BonnieSituation

murphaph wrote: »

Fantasists. If these technologies are safe then they will be regulated for by the EU across its huge market. Who are the Brits going to sell their AI meat free robots to anyway?? Lol.

It's maddening.

I think the whole greatness of the deal from a UK perspective can be summed up by how much of a hullabaloo they have been making for the just invented Turing scheme Vs the long established and utilised by non-EU countries like Serbia, Norway and Turkey, Erasmus scheme. It's clear that they're trying to sell the positives to themselves more than us. Everything I've read and heard today and yesterday from the UK sounds like someone who's got serious buyers' remorse from a bad car deal, but they keep repeating how amazing the deal was in the hope that they convince themselves at some point.

BonnieSituation

mrunsure wrote: »

As I mentioned a few weeks ago, I'm interested in moving to Ireland from England but it won't be for a few years yet because of my partner's job. This may seem a silly thing, but I'm worried that the problems with online shopping will put my partner off the idea. She subscribes to Amazon Prime and doesn't like shopping in physical shops. I'm also worried about how much it is going to cost. I've got most of my money within stock market investments that are sheltered from tax within ISAs. So I'd be paying a lot of tax on my investments if I moved to Ireland. Housing in Ireland is so expensive as well. So we would be massively worse off moving to Ireland. I'm prepared to pay the price but not sure my partner is. The alternative is to move to Scotland where she comes from where housing is cheap, it enjoys a favourable tax situation for investing and they can use UK online shopping.

Regardless, I definitely want to leave England as I've disowned it since 2016.

If online shopping is the sort of thing that would stop someone moving to a different State then perhaps they need to evaluate why they want to move at all.

This is not meant to be a dig.

Plenty of Irish people use mail forwarders like parcel motel and parcel connect to avail of UK delivery benefits, but that mostly existed due to inertia from the Amazon/reseller side. There's no actual reason that postal charges or the exclusion of Ireland from postal options is so open especially seeing as Amazon EMEA is based in Ireland.

The best thing that will come from Brexit is that it will finally unlock us from the British orbit that really has been more of a hindrance than a help the last couple of decades.


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As regards "paying the price" for a move to Ireland, honestly, why do you 'want' to move here?

If the psychological and contentment value outweighs the monetary cost then by all means, but if it's an aspirational notion that will be diluted by your financial well-being then really ask yourself "why"?

There's plenty on here that will be more than happy to advise you from all sides on that, so by all means throw out a few PM's. Ireland is a wonderful place, but it's not an easy place to slot into like say, NED, BEL or LUX would be.

Anyway, off topic and I digress...

BonnieSituation

Sam Russell wrote: »

I don't wish to prolong this O/T point further, but my 1990 Oxford dictionary has WIDGET as 'any gadget or device' - that is it. It was always used as a term to mean a non-existing product as a sample when discussing a economic idea or a mythical process. It was never invented - if someone claims it, it is plagiarism.

Guinness refer to their bit of plastic as a widget, but that is just lazy marketing. Just as removing it was lazy, and rejected by their loyal can drinkers.

Anyway - enough of widgets.

Just to clarify, when you referred -and I know that CelticRambler and Peregrinus have as well in the past- to widgets I knew what you meant; however when Rob mentioned it being a British invention, I knew he meant the physical nitro-ball and not the theoretical business-object.

As such I was trying to add clarity and to show that I'm not a an ogre when it comes to our Merseyside resident and wanted to get us back to topic. Anyway...

BonnieSituation

lawred2 wrote: »

And will the EHIC be accepted in the UK?

Irrelevant for Irish citizens anyway. While EHIC is technically valid for us, we use UK health services as a non-alien so we need not worry.

BonnieSituation

Shelga wrote: »

I read that RoI will fund EHICs for residents of NI after Brexit- why?

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2020/12/10/news/details-of-irish-government-s-eu-medical-reimbursement-scheme-could-be-published-within-weeks-2155796/

Because as a State we have an aspiration to dissolve the border. It's a cheap no brainer. Same with us paying for northern university access to Erasmus.

I'm all for us reducing the impact of Brexit on our fellow Irishmen and women.

BorneTobyWilde

If Ireland was to switch to Left Hand Drive cars and roads we'd have a huge array of second hand vehicles to choose from in Europe

interlocked

I know this is by the bye, but someday, wouldn't it be some craic to be in the same round as Peregrinus, Manic Moran, Celtic Rambler and AnCapillDorecha,I'd buy the pints and just sit back and listen......

Padre_Pio

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Because as a State we have an aspiration to dissolve the border. It's a cheap no brainer. Same with us paying for northern university access to Erasmus.

I'm all for us reducing the impact of Brexit on our fellow Irishmen and women.

I agree with this.
Westminster have dropped the ball and cut NI off from Britain.
Our government should make an effort to ensure that everyone on the Island, north and south feels Irish, and less British, with an angle of pushing for a united Ireland in the next 15-20 years.

salonfire

Padre_Pio wrote: »

with an angle of pushing for a united Ireland in the next 15-20 years.

A United Ireland would be an utterly stupid idea that would send us back to the stone age. Sinn Fein would be given more power overnight to dismantle our justice system and cause multinationals to flee.

We have enough trouble already this year forming a three legged chair of a Government without adding the ragtag Northern parties and their nonsense to the mix.

The North should be be split off to an Independent micro state with support from Ireland and the UK much like the support given to micro nations around Australia and New Zealand.

Brexit offers the independent North more chance of being viable with entry in the UK and EU markets

Padre_Pio

salonfire wrote: »

A United Ireland would be an utterly stupid idea that would send us back to the stone age. Sinn Fein would be given more power overnight to dismantle our justice system and cause multinationals to flee.

Disagree.

I get where you're coming from but with a long enough time, similar to the Hong Kong handover, I think a united Ireland is very possible and preferable to a two country island.

BonnieSituation

salonfire wrote: »

A United Ireland would be an utterly stupid idea that would send us back to the stone age. Sinn Fein would be given more power overnight to dismantle our justice system and cause multinationals to flee.

We have enough trouble already this year forming a three legged chair of a Government without adding the ragtag Northern parties and their nonsense to the mix.

The North should be be split off to an Independent micro state with support from Ireland and the UK much like the support given to micro nations around Australia and New Zealand.

Brexit offers the independent North more chance of being viable with entry in the UK and EU markets

Given your hot takes on Brexit, forgive me if I take anything you say on Irish unity with fistfuls of salt.

In the event of a referendum, your only job is to vote no.

BonnieSituation

Padre_Pio wrote: »

Disagree.

I get where you're coming from but with a long enough time, similar to the Hong Kong handover, I think a united Ireland is very possible and preferable to a two country island.

I mean, we have 100 years of evidence of how the 'two country' island doesn't work.

Choosehowevr.

Padre_Pio wrote: »

Disagree.

I get where you're coming from but with a long enough time, similar to the Hong Kong handover, I think a united Ireland is very possible and preferable to a two country island.

Dunno id say that shark has jumped

We'd be stuck with the DUP

timetogo1

https://twitter.com/donnyc1975/status/1342461705524301832?s=19

Another cost to British hauliers. I'm sure some of the usual suspects will explain why this is another win for the UK.

mrunsure

BonnieSituation wrote: »

If online shopping is the sort of thing that would stop someone moving to a different State then perhaps they need to evaluate why they want to move at all.

This is not meant to be a dig.

Plenty of Irish people use mail forwarders like parcel motel and parcel connect to avail of UK delivery benefits, but that mostly existed due to inertia from the Amazon/reseller side. There's no actual reason that postal charges or the exclusion of Ireland from postal options is so open especially seeing as Amazon EMEA is based in Ireland.

The best thing that will come from Brexit is that it will finally unlock us from the British orbit that really has been more of a hindrance than a help the last couple of decades.


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As regards "paying the price" for a move to Ireland, honestly, why do you 'want' to move here?

If the psychological and contentment value outweighs the monetary cost then by all means, but if it's an aspirational notion that will be diluted by your financial well-being then really ask yourself "why"?

There's plenty on here that will be more than happy to advise you from all sides on that, so by all means throw out a few PM's. Ireland is a wonderful place, but it's not an easy place to slot into like say, NED, BEL or LUX would be.

Anyway, off topic and I digress...

Why do you say the Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg would be easier to slot into?

My partner works in a specialised area of the NHS and claims she can't work anywhere other than somewhere that speaks English. I pleaded with her for us to move to Ireland in 2016 but she reckons her role is so specialised it doesn't exist there. She gets a good salary in Britain so I can see her point. So realistically I have to wait until she retires in about 9 years time. Therefore we can only go places where you can retire without a visa.

mrunsure

Shelga wrote: »

I read that RoI will fund EHICs for residents of NI after Brexit- why?

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2020/12/10/news/details-of-irish-government-s-eu-medical-reimbursement-scheme-could-be-published-within-weeks-2155796/

Was that only in the news because there was no deal yet? Maybe the UK will be funding it now that there is a deal for the UK to continue in the scheme.

listermint

This thread will never end.


What should we call the next rendition of it Jan 1st. I think it deserves a fitting name update for post brexit.

joe40

Does anyone know the situation post Brexit with regards ROI students studying third level in NI or Wider UK.
I wonder what fees they will they be charged and will they be able to access UK student loans.

I know existing students are ok.

storker

salonfire wrote: »

Brexit offers the independent North more chance of being viable with entry in the UK and EU markets

*Boggle*

The Six Counties had both of those thing pre-Brexit. Brexit has made the EU part of it more messy and costly. This is not an improvement.