2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

Leroy42

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

maybe if it is posted enough times then some people might be honest enough to admit what it is that trump is doing?

And if it was the only time he had belittled or mocked another person then you might well have a point.

But it is Trumps natural go to. He mocks them. This time he choose to mock the disability, bit he has mocked people for their looks, their intelligence, they bias, their professionalism, their failures in life, their friends, their family, their religion, their sex, their size.

This one time, just this once, Trump just happened to minic the exact disability but didn't mean it?

Fine if you want to believe that, but how do you deal with all the other examples?

If your child did that to the disabled child in their school, club or whatever I hope you wouldn't simply excuse it as you do.

Muahahaha

Just looking at the line up of speakers over the next four nights at the RNC, they're an eclectic mix

Tanya Weinreis, small business owner whose coffee shop qualified for a loan under the Paycheck Protection Program
Nicholas Sandmann, student who sued news outlets after confrontation with Native American activist
Mark and Patricia McCloskey, St. Louis couple who pointed guns at Black Lives Matter protesters
Scott Dane, executive director, Associated Contract Loggers & Truckers of Minnesota
Ryan Holets, police officer known for adopting opioid-addicted baby
Dana White, president of the Ultimate Fighting Championship

ohnonotgmail

Leroy42 wrote: »

And if it was the only time he had belittled or mocked another person then you might well have a point.

But it is Trumps natural go to. He mocks them. This time he choose to mock the disability, bit he has mocked people for their looks, their intelligence, they bias, their professionalism, their failures in life, their friends, their family, their religion, their sex, their size.

This one time, just this once, Trump just happened to minic the exact disability but didn't mean it?

Fine if you want to believe that, but how do you deal with all the other examples?

If your child did that to the disabled child in their school, club or whatever I hope you wouldn't simply excuse it as you do.

sorry, you think i am excusing trumps behaviour? take another shot there chief.

Igotadose

Muahahaha wrote: »

Just looking at the line up of speakers over the next four nights at the RNC, they're an eclectic mix

Tanya Weinreis, small business owner whose coffee shop qualified for a loan under the Paycheck Protection Program
Nicholas Sandmann, student who sued news outlets after confrontation with Native American activist
Mark and Patricia McCloskey, St. Louis couple who pointed guns at Black Lives Matter protesters
Scott Dane, executive director, Associated Contract Loggers & Truckers of Minnesota
Ryan Holets, police officer known for adopting opioid-addicted baby
Dana White, president of the Ultimate Fighting Championship

What, no Scott Baio? Where's Chachi?!!

No Diamond and Silk? And what about the demon sperm doctor, I thought she was speaking, too!

gmisk

Muahahaha wrote: »

Just looking at the line up of speakers over the next four nights at the RNC, they're an eclectic mix

Tanya Weinreis, small business owner whose coffee shop qualified for a loan under the Paycheck Protection Program
Nicholas Sandmann, student who sued news outlets after confrontation with Native American activist
Mark and Patricia McCloskey, St. Louis couple who pointed guns at Black Lives Matter protesters
Scott Dane, executive director, Associated Contract Loggers & Truckers of Minnesota
Ryan Holets, police officer known for adopting opioid-addicted baby
Dana White, president of the Ultimate Fighting Championship

Christ that is grim.
No shock at Dana White he is a big Trump supporter I think I read he donated over a million dollars to a pro trump super PAC before.

In fairness it's not as if Trump got a lot of big names for his inauguration or a big crowd for that matter...

Professor Moriarty

Igotadose wrote: »

What, no Scott Baio? Where's Chachi?!!

No Diamond and Silk? And what about the demon sperm doctor, I thought she was speaking, too!

What about Michael Flynn? Michael Cohen? Steve Bannon? Roger Stone? Paul Manafort? Where are these guys?

Penn

I think John Barron and David Dennison are due to speak at the convention too.

Cody montana

What are the odds one of the speakers will get arrested this week?
I would imagine fairly high.

gmisk

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

What about Michael Flynn? Michael Cohen? Steve Bannon? Roger Stone? Paul Manafort? Where are these guys?

John bolton? Anthony scaramucci?

Leroy42

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

sorry, you think i am excusing trumps behaviour? take another shot there chief.

For you read "one".

I used your quote to give context to my post.

Apologies for not making that clearer

Igotadose

Cody montana wrote: »

What are the odds one of the speakers will get arrested this week?
I would imagine fairly high.

Give it time. They don't even behave at funerals:

https://dcist.com/story/20/08/22/guest-of-robert-trump-funeral-party-allegedly-punches-employee-at-d-c-restaurant/

Biker79

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

that is cultist talk.

Rubbish. I called you lefties out on being prone to cult membership...so that's a bit of a disastrous attempt to deflect my earlier assessment of you and your cronies ( which was spot on, BTW ) .

Like I said..moving goalposts etc etc.

You cant call conservatism/ libertarianism a cult.

Well actually - you can, because you don't value the meaning of words.

ohnonotgmail

Biker79 wrote: »

Rubbish. I called you lefties out on being prone to cult membership...so that's a bit of a disastrous attempt to deflect my earlier assessment of you and your cronies ( which was spot on, BTW ) .

Like I said..moving goalposts etc etc.

You cant call conservatism/ libertarianism a cult.

Well actually - you can, because you don't value the meaning of words.

you said you would believe whatever trump said before reading it. that is cult behaviour.

Quin_Dub

Biker79 wrote: »

Rubbish. I called you lefties out on being prone to cult membership...so that's a bit of a disastrous attempt to deflect my earlier assessment of you and your cronies ( which was spot on, BTW ) .

Like I said..moving goalposts etc etc.

You cant call conservatism/ libertarianism a cult.

Well actually - you can, because you don't value the meaning of words.

So - To recap.

• Alleged Blind, unswerving faith in a Political Doctrine you don't support = Cult
• Alleged Blind, unswerving faith in a Political Doctrine you do support = Definitely NOT a Cult.

Yep - Seems legit.

Biker79

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you said you would believe whatever trump said before reading it. that is cult behaviour.

Its GOP policy analysts, actually. Not Trump.

I support their general approach in a wide variety of areas, so yes , I expect I would support their reasoning here.

Because they consistently prove themselves to be correct.

Quin_Dub

Biker79 wrote: »

Its GOP policy analysts, actually. Not Trump.

I support their general approach in a wide variety of areas, so yes , I expect I would support their reasoning here.

Because they consistently prove themselves to be correct.

Care to provide some examples of that?

All available evidence would seem to refute that Statement.

Professor Moriarty

Biker79 wrote: »

Rubbish. I called you lefties out on being prone to cult membership...so that's a bit of a disastrous attempt to deflect my earlier assessment of you and your cronies ( which was spot on, BTW ) .

Like I said..moving goalposts etc etc.

You cant call conservatism/ libertarianism a cult.

Well actually - you can, because you don't value the meaning of words.

Okie dokie.

Cody montana

BREAKING: NY attorney general files lawsuit against Trump Organization, according to court records.

Hummmm.

Biker79

Quin_Dub wrote: »

So - To recap.

• Alleged Blind, unswerving faith in a Political Doctrine you don't support = Cult
• Alleged Blind, unswerving faith in a Political Doctrine you do support = Definitely NOT a Cult.

Yep - Seems legit.

Of course it does. Because you have twisted the meaning of words and drawn an inference that isn't there.

I always suspected you have no values...but its absolutely clear you don't value language.

Foxtrol

Republican convention have the best and brightest in charge of production so far. Trump already out complaining about media not showing their drivel.

https://twitter.com/cspanJeremy/status/1297919158680772608?s=20

Quin_Dub

Biker79 wrote: »

Of course it does. Because you have twisted the meaning of words and drawn an inference that isn't there.

I always suspected you have no values...but its absolutely clear you don't value language.

What ARE you talking about?

For someone who claims to "value words" you really don't use yours very well.

No one has the first notion what obscure tangential point you are trying to make here.

Quin_Dub

Cody montana wrote: »

BREAKING: NY attorney general files lawsuit against Trump Organization, according to court records.

Hummmm.

https://twitter.com/AWeissmann_/status/1297940114782420994

Looks like it's another tax fraud case.

Eric Trump a named party in the case.

pjohnson

Quin_Dub wrote: »

What ARE you talking about?

For someone who claims to "value words" you really don't use yours very well.

No one has the first notion what obscure tangential point you are trying to make here.

He is true Trump diehard his language is going the same way as his hero. He just needs to mention sharks to complete the cycle.


It appears worshipping the cult of Donald has consequences.

extra gravy

Biker79 wrote: »

I always suspected you have no values...but its absolutely clear you don't value language.

This is funny. Your support of Trump would indicate to most reasonable people that you're the one that has no values.

joseywhales

No he can have values(that are different to mine) and support Trump, that is totally fine. It's the lack of evidence that Trump has any consistent values that confuses me. What exactly does he stand for? Don't say the free market please.

coolbeans

Quin_Dub wrote: »

What ARE you talking about?

For someone who claims to "value words" you really don't use yours very well.

No one has the first notion what obscure tangential point you are trying to make here.

He's in nonsense stepped in so far that to return would be as tedious as go o'er. ðŸ˜

Quin_Dub

Quin_Dub wrote: »

https://twitter.com/AWeissmann_/status/1297940114782420994

Looks like it's another tax fraud case.

Eric Trump a named party in the case.

Looks like it's about inflating Property values in order for them to provide sufficient collateral for loans and for tax purposes

One particular focus is the Seven Springs Estate, a 212-acre (85.8 hectares) property in northern Westchester County, north of New York City.

James’ office said valuations of the property were used to claim an apparent $21.1 million tax deduction in the 2015 tax year, and in submissions to financial institutions as a component of Donald Trump’s net worth.

To be taken with a grain of salt , but a Reddit thread on the subject says that the above property was valued by the Trump organisation at ~$290M when the consensus valuation was just 10% of that!

This is exactly the stuff that Cohen talked about.

Bit more detail on this site.

• 1996: Trump purchased it for $7,500,000.
  
• 2012: Trump "Statement of Financial Condition" values the property at $291,000,000.
  
• 2014: Forbes estimates its value at $19,500,000.
  
• 2014: Trump values the property at $5,000,000 to $25,000,000
  
• 2015: Trump valued the property at $50,000,000

So - He buys it for $7.5M , then AFTER a massive recession it's suddenly worth $291M but 2 years later in a recovering Market it loses somewhere between 70% and 95% of it's value and the following year it has doubled in value again..

That needs some explaining...

PropJoe10

Quin_Dub wrote: »

https://twitter.com/AWeissmann_/status/1297940114782420994

Looks like it's another tax fraud case.

Eric Trump a named party in the case.

Trump when asked about this: "It's a very sad situation. He's not my son, i barely know him. Yeah. It's a very sad situation. I wish him the best".

duploelabs

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Looks like it's about inflating Property values in order for them to provide sufficient collateral for loans and for tax purposes



To be taken with a grain of salt , but a Reddit thread on the subject says that the above property was valued by the Trump organisation at ~$290M when the consensus valuation was just 10% of that!

This is exactly the stuff that Cohen talked about.

Yep, back in feb 2019.

This is a bit of forensic stuff by Rachel Maddow, who I know irks some and triggers those of the Orange Order (outrage at a well spoken lesbian, well colour me shocked)

Biker79

coolbeans wrote: »

He's in nonsense stepped in so far that to return would be as tedious as go o'er. ðŸ˜

Ah, there he is now. Good man. Anytime there's a dollop of misanthropy to be dished out, the same posters crawl out of the woodwork to oblige.

Perhaps you wouldn't mind explaining the free market for some of other ...eh ...disadvantaged lefties?

I'm sure they'd be grateful.