2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

Sonics2k

So the Dems are pushing for hope, unity and a brighter future.

Trumps team were shouting about destruction, death, the great divide and an oncoming war.

How fun.

Sonics2k

Sonics2k wrote: »

So the Dems are pushing for hope, unity and a brighter future.

Trumps team were shouting about destruction, death, the great divide and an oncoming war.

How fun.

You can definitely see the appeal that they have for some people who aren't exactly right in the head.

jamule

briany wrote: »

That Republican convention was scary.

its not over yet. his foriegn wife is delayed by a thunderstorm. she is set to announce her divorce. ICE operatives will then arrive by helicopter and she will be fooked out back to where she came from.

Of course the cultists are happy with the Trump families demented ramblings but the Republicans don't seem as convinced.
“What do Republicans stand for and believe — not just DJT!”

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/513587-gop-wants-more-vision-policy-from-trump-at-convention

briany

Sonics2k wrote: »

So the Dems are pushing for hope, unity and a brighter future.

Trumps team were shouting about destruction, death, the great divide and an oncoming war.

How fun.

What's telling is that there didn't appear to be a single member of the Republican party proper there to advocate for Trump, just a bunch of hand-picked cronies.

The party looks to be in real danger of having a proper schism. The nutters and traditional Republicans are two wings that have simply spread way too far apart.

namloc1980

Kidchameleon wrote: »

"Woketopians" LOL I might have to borrow that one

As a side note, Guilfoyle is true beauty, a classy act.

Classy act who last night said: "As a first generation American I know how dangerous their socialist agenda is...I consider it my duty to fight and protect the American Dream."

The classy act was born in San Francisco and her mother is from Puerto Rico. She said her mother came to America as an immigrant. Of course in the real world Puerto Ricans are actually American citizens. The classy act lied, she is no more a first generation American than I am. Classy.

Irishman80

briany wrote: »

What's telling is that there didn't appear to be a single member of the Republican party proper there to advocate for Trump, just a bunch of hand-picked cronies.

The party looks to be in real danger of having a proper schism. The nutters and traditional Republicans are two wings that have simply spread way too far apart.

What are you basing this on?

Tell me how

Irishman80 wrote: »

What are you basing this on?

The fact that out of the top 12 of the DNC line up, 1 was the President, 1 was the VP and 5 more have the surname Trump.



Where are the GOP heavy hitters in that group?

Also that the did not release a manifest for the convention but said that they are supporting Trumps platform.

At this point, it looks like they are conceding defeat and will pivot to saying he should never have been President on Nov 4th if he does indeed lose.

namloc1980

briany wrote: »

What's telling is that there didn't appear to be a single member of the Republican party proper there to advocate for Trump, just a bunch of hand-picked cronies.

The party looks to be in real danger of having a proper schism. The nutters and traditional Republicans are two wings that have simply spread way too far apart.

As it stands the Republicans have fully hitched their wagon to Trump. The GOP is Trump, we saw that with their platform for the RNC being simply to re-elect Trump. McConnell and McCarthy amongst other main GOPers will speak at the convention later in the week. Where it'll get interesting is if Trump loses in November and more crucially if the Democrats can somehow take the Senate and solidify their control of the House, the recriminations and detrumpization of the GOP will start in earnest.

Irishman80

Tell me how wrote: »

The fact that out of the top 12 of the DNC line up, 1 was the President, 1 was the VP and 5 more have the surname Trump.



Where are the GOP heavy hitters in that group?

Also that the did not release a manifest for the convention but said that they are supporting Trumps platform.

At this point, it looks like they are conceding defeat and will pivot to saying he should never have been President on Nov 4th if he does indeed lose.

His approval rating in the Republican party is consistently in the 90's.

95% of registered Republicans will vote for him in November (a similar number of Registered Dems will vote for Biden).

90% of Lean Reps will vote for him in November(a similar number of Lean Dems will vote for Biden).

The idea that either party is divided is nonsense.

Tell me how

Irishman80 wrote: »

His approval rating in the Republican party is consistently in the 90's.

95% of registered Republicans will vote for him in November (a similar number of Registered Dems will vote for Biden).

90% of Lean Reps will vote for him in November(a similar number of Lean Dems will vote for Biden).

The idea that either party is divided is nonsense.

Politics in the US is like supporters of Man Utd / Liverpool in soccer. Most are never going to change their colour irrespective of what is going on.

But, they might still not support their team in the same way. In politics, in this scenario, it comes down to who actually goes out to vote. The evidence at this point, is people pulling away from Trump; Small rally crowds, big hitters leaving, former allies denouncing him and as said already, the GOP largely leaving the convention to him to get on with it.

Irishman80

Tell me how wrote: »

Politics in the US is like supporters of Man Utd / Liverpool in soccer. Most are never going to change their colour irrespective of what is going on.

But, they might still not support their team in the same way. In politics, in this scenario, it comes down to who actually goes out to vote. The evidence at this point, is people pulling away from Trump; Small rally crowds, big hitters leaving, former allies denouncing him and as said already, the GOP largely leaving the convention to him to get on with it.

Yes, it will come down to turning out the voters and fighting for independents at the margins in some swing states.

There will be no dividing of parties.

Leroy42

Irishman80 wrote: »

Yes, it will come down to turning out the voters and fighting for independents at the margins in some swing states.

There will be no dividing of parties.

And therein lies the issue. 2016 saw many of those swing voters opt for the unknown (in political terms) Trump for change.

Change he has not delivered.

But the polls now appear to indicate that the % of undecided is small and not enough to turn the election - with the caveat of state level votes.

Tell me how

Irishman80 wrote: »

Yes, it will come down to turning out the voters and fighting for independents at the margins in some swing states.

There will be no dividing of parties.

3 Million more people voted for HC in 2016. That's with Trump having picked up most swing voters given how, there had been 8 years of a Democrat in the White House, HC was not a popular character, and Trumps simple rhetoric of 'Drain the swamp', 'Build the Wall' and 'Lock her Up' and Comey announcing just days before the election that they were reopening a probe in to Clintons emails.

This time round. He has no catch phrases, Republicans are already in the WH, Biden is more likable than HC, and Trump has shown for 4 years how utterly divisive and incompetent he is.

I've said already that the moment it becomes clear he will not be the next President, that the GOP will move to distance themselves from him. The fact that the Lincoln Project and Republican Voters Against Trump already exist shows that many in the Republican Party want rid of him.

namloc1980

I see Rand Paul is speaking tonight to gush about Trump. I wonder what Trump thinks about him:

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dwayneshintzy

namloc1980 wrote: »

Classy act who last night said: "As a first generation American I know how dangerous their socialist agenda is...I consider it my duty to fight and protect the American Dream."

The classy act was born in San Francisco and her mother is from Puerto Rico. She said her mother came to America as an immigrant. Of course in the real world Puerto Ricans are actually American citizens. The classy act lied, she is no more a first generation American than I am. Classy.

Technically, her father is an immigrant. Though he's from Ennis and emigrated in the '50s, so not sure how much he'd know about the "dangers of socialism" from his upbringing.

Biker79

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

He's a con man, a liar, a narcissist, a bigot and a colossal f*ckup whose inherited wealth protects him from the consequences of running business after business into the ground.

I'm not sure why so many people have signed up to a cult based on someone so moronic and incapable of even the most basic of tasks.

Hmm. A party whose values are based on 2000 years of heritage, that prioritise the individual over the collective. Values that the country was built on.

Versus another party who have no regard for personal property, ethics or truth, and who champion collective identity over the individual.

Think its clear which one is the cult.

His inherited wealth certainly helped, but it didn't protect him from harsh lessons learned and valuable experience formed.

Biden on the other hand is a classic ' go along to get along ' character, who never took any risks, who sat in a government dept for 40 years picking up a paycheck.

He's a person who never actually ' did ' anything, under any meaningful definition of the word. Perhaps that's why he appeals to some people?

Kidchameleon

Biker79 wrote: »

He's a person who never actually ' did ' anything, under any meaningful definition of the word. Perhaps that's why he appeals to some people?

In fairness, he did play a role in the destruction of Libya.

Kidchameleon

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Odd that someone with so few morals is a "class act".

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

the dollar store melania is his girlfriend.

Overheal wrote: »

That classy act helped Junior cheat on his wife.

So a strong independent woman comes out in favor of Trump (and we certainly need more strong women) yet straight away the slut shaming and commenting on her appearance starts, shameful.

dwayneshintzy

None of those comments are "slut shaming", and it's ridiculous for you to say that after what you said about Kamala Harris. Why is Harris someone who "slept her way up the ladder" but Guilfoyle isn't, incidentally?

Guilfoyle's speech was absolutely mental. She said that Democrats literally want to take your freedom an enslave you; she was raving like an evil cartoon villain.

Biker79

Lets clear something up.

The Democrats were probably once a party who had real values. But they have been hijacked by leftists and have sold their soul in return for a few votes and a shot at power. They are prepared to destroy cities in order to get back in Office. They don't know what direction their moral compass is pointing in anymore.

Too many Democrats no longer care about America. They only want big government to look after them. Commies in other words. McCarthy was right all along.

You can whine all you want about Trumps imperfections, however, the real issue is whether The US restores its values and continues on, or takes a wrong turn towards a technocratic communist dystopia full of mindless leftie-bots.

extra gravy

Biker79 wrote: »

Hmm. A party whose values are based on 2000 years of heritage, that prioritise the individual over the collective.

What values? There's a different story every day about them being criminals or adulterers. Luckily the Democrats do prioritise the collective over the individual, America might actually have a chance of beating the pandemic with this approach.

Biker79

extra gravy wrote: »

What values? There's a different story every day about them being criminals or adulterers. Luckily the Democrats do prioritise the collective over the individual, America might actually have a chance of beating the pandemic with this approach.

You mean stories from a desperate media who lie to stay in business?

Values have nothing to do with the Pandemic - that's a total scapegoat.

jamule

Biker79 wrote: »

Lets clear something up.

The Democrats were probably once a party who had real values. But they have been hijacked by leftists and have sold their soul in return for a few votes and a shot at power. They are prepared to destroy cities in order to get back in Office. They don't know what direction their moral compass is pointing in anymore.

Too many Democrats no longer care about America. They only want big government to look after them. Commies in other words. McCarthy was right all along.

You can whine all you want about Trumps imperfections, however, the real issue is whether The US restores its values and continues on, or takes a wrong turn towards a technocratic communist dystopia full of mindless leftie-bots.

Yeah thats totally cleared up. Whats your infatutation with the Dems and commies? Not even republicans know what they themselves stand for anymore

Its fairly clear what way Trumpists moral compass is pointing.

jamule

Biker79 wrote: »

You mean stories from a desperate media who lie to stay in business?

Values have nothing to do with the Pandemic - that's a total scapegoat.

so the courts are now the media?

true values are shown in times of crisis. Leaders stand up and take responsibility and lead.

extra gravy

Biker79 wrote: »

You mean stories from a desperate media who lie to stay in business?

Values have nothing to do with the Pandemic - that's a total scapegoat.

Bannon, Manafort, Flynn, Cohen, Stone etc...all stories?

Actually values have everything to do with the pandemic. The me me me Republicans that are more interested in their individual freedoms than the wellbeing of their fellow citizens have contributed to the worsening of it through their anti mask, anti lockdown approach. They don't belong in a modern socially responsible society.

namloc1980

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

Technically, her father is an immigrant. Though he's from Ennis and emigrated in the '50s, so not sure how much he'd know about the "dangers of socialism" from his upbringing.

She's still not a "first generation American". Her mother is an American citizen and Guilfoyle was born in the US.

Timberrrrrrrr

Biker79 wrote: »

Lets clear something up.

The Democrats were probably once a party who had real values. But they have been hijacked by leftists and have sold their soul in return for a few votes and a shot at power. They are prepared to destroy cities in order to get back in Office. They don't know what direction their moral compass is pointing in anymore.

Too many Democrats no longer care about America. They only want big government to look after them. Commies in other words. McCarthy was right all along.

You can whine all you want about Trumps imperfections, however, the real issue is whether The US restores its values and continues on, or takes a wrong turn towards a technocratic communist dystopia full of mindless leftie-bots.

What values would those be?

Biker79

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

What values would those be?

The fact that you ask speaks for itself.

Irishman80

3rd night of BLM riots in Wisconsin last night. Businesses burned to the ground. Militia protecting businesses have shot people. Reports of drive-by shootings. Governor of Wisconsin refused an offer of 500 National Guard troops from White House yesterday.

Democrats are handing election to Trump.