2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

Irishman80

Cody montana wrote: »

Is this not happening under trumps watch?

No. It's happening under a Democrat Mayor's watch and a Democrat Govenor's watch who actually control the police departments in their State.

And its BLM, a Democrat supported group, who are burning the businesses to the ground.

It's terrible optics for the Dems.

Cody montana

Irishman80 wrote: »

No. It's happening under a Democrat Mayor's watch and a Democrat Govenor's watch who actually control the police departments in their State.

And its BLM, a Democrat supported group, who are burning the businesses to the ground.

It's terrible optics for the Dems.

So trump is not in charge of the country?
Interesting.

pjohnson

Maybe one could be called a classy lady. Rita was at least consistent :pac:

PropJoe10

Irishman80 wrote: »

No. It's happening under a Democrat Mayor's watch and a Democrat Govenor's watch who actually control the police departments in their State.

And its BLM, a Democrat supported group, who are burning the businesses to the ground.

It's terrible optics for the Dems.

What's going on in the US is the equivalent of our Taoiseach coming out and saying that each county can do whatever they want regarding the virus. For a coherent response, even in a federalised system, you need central leadership. A strong message from the top counts for a lot.

Trump has provided zero leadership. Nothing other than mixed messages on every single area, constant lies and a total lack of empathy.

Irishman80

Cody montana wrote: »

So trump is not in charge of the country?
Interesting.

Nothing interesting about it. He has no control over City or State police. The US is a federal republic.

namloc1980

Irishman80 wrote: »

Nothing interesting about it. He has no control over City or State police. The US is a federal republic.

So you're saying it doesn't really matter who's in the White House on this issue. So why is Trump and the RNC banging on about how terrible the country will be under Biden and that chaos and violence will rule. I mean if it's nothing to do with the President as you state.

Irishman80

PropJoe10 wrote: »

What's going on in the US is the equivalent of our Taoiseach coming out and saying that each county can do whatever they want regarding the virus. For a coherent response, even in a federalised system, you need central leadership. A strong message from the top counts for a lot.

Trump has provided zero leadership. Nothing other than mixed messages on every single area, constant lies and a total lack of empathy.

He has offered to provide the National Guard. Even there, the Governor's have power in that they can call up the NG without the President and can refuse the offer of the NG from the President.

The President can only override the Governor by invoking the Insurrection Act - which is a losing policy for the President.

So the Democrats own the riots now.

namloc1980

Quin_Dub wrote: »

57% of Republicans think that the Covid-19 Death toll is "acceptable"

The pro-life people :pac:

Cody montana

Irishman80 wrote: »

Nothing interesting about it. He has no control over City or State police. The US is a federal republic.

So what difference will it make if Biden is elected?

randd1

Cody montana wrote: »

Is this not happening under trumps watch?

It's all Obama's fault, because Clinton is a child trafficker who likes pizza and Biden is a drooling mess, and the democrats have decided that America is to become a province of China who are going to take away Jesus and Guns and hamburgers, and let all the ISIS commies and Mexican rapists drug lords come and give everyone swine flu because Hollywood and the media are trying to convince people The Wall doesn't exist even though The Donald and Jared Kusher and Ivanka built it with their bare hands with the help of every black person in America because no-one did more for blacks that Trump, and the Deep State is behind it all to make Trump look bad by poisoning 180,000 people with chemicals from planes flown by Obama and Oprah with the media saying it's the coronavirus even though it's actually a Chinese flu used by the democrats and BLM to take over America, and make Trump look bad because he wins so bigly, and is a peace president that has America's economy roaring and their debt cut to nothing, so it's just jealous democrats trying destroy America, and Trump takes no responsibility for it because his presidency is being attacked because no-one understand how awesome a businessman he is and how he's saving America from the media, except Fox & Friends.

Or something like that. The Q-Anon conspiracy (or Trump Administration Policy to give it it's official title) has gotten so convoluted it's hard to keep up.

Irishman80

namloc1980 wrote: »

So you're saying it doesn't really matter who's in the White House on this issue. So why is Trump and the RNC banging on about how terrible the country will be under Biden and that chaos and violence will rule. I mean if it's nothing to do with the President as you state.

Not when it comes to City and State police. The President of the US has no control over police departments like the NYPD.

He can send in Federal troops under the Insurrection Act but that's a losing policy. He owns the carnage that occurs then.

Right now, the Democrats own the riots. Why would someone take that responsibility from them?

Irishman80

Cody montana wrote: »

So what difference will it make if Biden is elected?

Why would someone elect a Democrat to federal office when the Democrat run cities and States are refusing to protect their businesses?

This isn't rocket science.

Cody montana

randd1 wrote: »

It's all Obama's fault, because Clinton is a child trafficker who likes pizza and Biden is a drooling mess, and the democrats have decided that America is to become a province of China who are going to take away Jesus and Guns and hamburgers, and let all the ISIS commies and Mexican rapists drug lords come and give everyone swine flu because Hollywood and the media are trying to convince people The Wall doesn't exist even though The Donald and Jared Kusher and Ivanka built it with their bare hands with the help of every black person in America because no-one did more for blacks that Trump, and the Deep State is behind it all to make Trump look bad by poisoning 180,000 people with chemicals from planes flown by Obama and Oprah with the media saying it's the coronavirus even though it's actually a Chinese flu used by the democrats and BLM to take over America, and make Trump look bad because he wins so bigly, and is a peace president that has America's economy roaring and their debt cut to nothing, so it's just jealous democrats trying destroy America, and Trump takes no responsibility for it because his presidency is being attacked because no-one understand how awesome a businessman he is and how he's saving America from the media, except Fox & Friends.

Or something like that. The Q-Anon conspiracy (or Trump Administration Policy to give it it's official title) has gotten so convoluted it's hard to keep up.

Strangely I don’t remember mass protests under Obama’s watch.

namloc1980

Irishman80 wrote: »

Not when it comes to City and State police. The President of the US has no control over police departments like the NYPD.

He can send in Federal troops under the Insurrection Act but that's a losing policy. He owns the carnage that occurs then.

Right now, the Democrats own the riots. Why would someone take that responsibility from them?

You said it is absolutely nothing to do with the the President. So why are Trump and his cronies banging on that under Biden chaos will rule?

Cody montana

Irishman80 wrote: »

Why would someone elect a Democrat to federal office when the Democrat run cities and States are refusing to protect their businesses?

This isn't rocket science.

Erm but this is happened under trumps presidency.
We got there in the end.

dwayneshintzy

Irishman80 wrote: »

Why would someone elect a Democrat to federal office when the Democrat run cities and States are refusing to protect their businesses?

This isn't rocket science.

Why do you think it is that Democrats "run" most major cities in the States, then?

Quin_Dub

Irishman80 wrote: »

Why would someone elect a Democrat to federal office when the Democrat run cities and States are refusing to protect their businesses?

This isn't rocket science.

The same people that elected the Democrats to run their Cities and States and continue to do so?????

namloc1980

Irishman80 wrote: »

Why would someone elect a Democrat to federal office when the Democrat run cities and States are refusing to protect their businesses?

This isn't rocket science.

Just to point out here that the city of Kenosha (where the latest violence erupted after police shot an unarmed black man 7 times in the back) is in Wisconsin where the State Assembly is held by a Republican majority.

Irishman80

namloc1980 wrote: »

You said it is absolutely nothing to do with the the President. So why are Trump and his cronies banging on that under Biden chaos will rule?

You might have missed it. It's the Democrat supported BLM thay are burning down businesses in Democrat run cities in Democrat run States with the Democrat leaders refusing Trump's offer of National Guard troops.

Trump simply has to sit back and hope for more riots - and the more in Swing States the better.

That might be a cold view of the situation but that's what's happening.

Irishman80

namloc1980 wrote: »

Just to point out here that the city of Kenosha (where the latest violence erupted after police shot an unarmed black man 7 times in the back) is in Wisconsin where the State Assembly is held by a Republican majority.

The Mayor and Governor control the police and NG in Kenosha and Wisconsin.

duploelabs

Irishman80 wrote: »

You might have missed it. It's the Democrat supported BLM thay are burning down businesses in Democrat run cities in Democrat run States with the Democrat leaders refusing Trump's offer of National Guard troops.

Trump simply has to sit back and hope for more riots - and the more in Swing States the better.

That might be a cold view of the situation but that's what's happening.

So there's zero disturbance in Republican states?

Danzy

duploelabs wrote: »

So there's zero disturbance in Republican states?

That's not what he said.

It's hard to disagree that Democratic Mayors are allowing this for political gain.

At savage cost to African Americans.

Irishman80

Quin_Dub wrote: »

The same people that elected the Democrats to run their Cities and States and continue to do so?????

Let's see if the people of Kenosha, a swing district in a swing State, continue to vote for Democrats in November

Quin_Dub

Irishman80 wrote: »

You might have missed it. It's the Democrat supported BLM thay are burning down businesses in Democrat run cities in Democrat run States with the Democrat leaders refusing Trump's offer of National Guard troops.

Trump simply has to sit back and hope for more riots - and the more in Swing States the better.

That might be a cold view of the situation but that's what's happening.

So - Your argument is this.

The President has no control over what happens in Cities and States , but because people are unhappy about what is happening in their Cities and States , they are going to elect Trump over Biden , because Presidents have no influence over what happens in Cities and States?

So , If Trump gets elected but those Democrat Governors and Mayors are still there , how will things change exactly?

Help me make the connection between a presidential election and occurrences at State and City level that you say the President has absolutely no influence or responsibility over?

dwayneshintzy

Danzy wrote: »

That's not what he said.

It's hard to disagree that Democratic Mayors are allowing this for political gain.

At savage cost to African Americans.

Eh, he's not arguing it's for political gain. He's arguing that Republicans will gain from it. It's all a bit confusing, granted.



What are they "allowing", anyway? And why don't you trust African Americans to know themselves who they should support? Since by and large, most African American communities support Democratic candidates by significant majorities.

namloc1980

Irishman80 wrote: »

Let's see if the people of Kenosha, a swing district in a swing State, continue to vote for Democrats in November

Indeed let's see (quoted so we can come back to this). Once again just to remind you the Republicans control the state assembly in Wisconsin.

Irishman80

duploelabs wrote: »

So there's zero disturbance in Republican states?

Not at the level of Minnesota, Oregan, Wisconsin, California, New York or Washington.

Of the above, Minnesota and Wisconsin are the major issues for the Dems.

duploelabs

Danzy wrote: »

That's not what he said.

It's hard to disagree that Democratic Mayors are allowing this for political gain.

At savage cost to African Americans.

How is protesting the maiming of an unarmed black man by the police bad for African Americans?

Irishman80

namloc1980 wrote: »

Indeed let's see (quoted so we can come back to this). Once again just to remind you the Republicans control the state assembly in Wisconsin.

It's the Mayors and Governors who control the police.

If Trump sent the 82th Airbourne into the city to stop the riots, would you point out that the Democrats control the House and must assume responsibility for Trump's decision?

Danzy

namloc1980 wrote: »

Just to point out here that the city of Kenosha (where the latest violence erupted after police shot an unarmed black man 7 times in the back) is in Wisconsin where the State Assembly is held by a Republican majority.

He had a knife ffs, he dived into the car, he had been fighting police officers.

His partner, his kids, women in the locality are safer for his apprehension, pity he escalated it to the point where he had to be shot.