2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

MadYaker

This RNC has such an overwhelmingly negative vibe to it. Not arsed watching any more of it. Although tbf I never get anything out of watching these. The DNC one at least had a bit more of a positive tone.

namloc1980

MadYaker wrote: »

This RNC has such an overwhelmingly negative vibe to it. Not arsed watching any more of it. Although tbf I never get anything out of watching these. The DNC one at least had a bit more of a positive tone.

They know what they're doing. The number of undecided voters this time around is quite low so Trump and the Republicans are essentially focusing on their voters only, they have no interest in reaching out across the divide. The message of fear and demonisation of the Democrats is designed to rile up the base and maximize turnout.

Turnout will be a huge factor this year and by playing up to fears about Dems taking away your guns, black people moving into your white middle class suburb and Dems taking away your church are all designed to frighten the Trump base into turning out more than the Dem voters. And it might work.

Overheal

Full tilt grifting email ahead of Trumps convention speech

https://www.mediaite.com/news/trump-promises-convention-speech-attached-in-latest-fundraising-email-but-is-his-rnc-convention-speech-attached/

Tells subscribers to the emails that his convention speech is attached, with a paperclip emoji (it's not) and really the email wants supporters to give their feedback to the president to help him make the speech (because this is what they've become now, the president isn't leading he's crowdsourcing his opinions from gmail) - it asks them to fill out a survey with some hilariously loaded questions and then when you're done with all of that it grifts you into donating so your feedback will be "The FIRST" feedback that Trump sees (not disclaimed: that the offer is only logically good for the first person to donate). Utter mess.

Sean.3516

Igotadose wrote: »

That why speakers are dropping out due to anti-semitic retweeting at the last minute?

He didn't drop out of the RNC, the RNC dropped him because he sent out an anti-semitic pro QAnon tweet. Nothing wrong with that. It shows how the Republicans are capable of policing their own as opposed to the Democrats who's convention was rife with anti-semites and Louis Farrakhan supporters.

Igotadose wrote: »

And the #IMPOTUS's promise to speak every night hasn't happened?

That's probably for the better. One's perspective on America tends to improve tremendously when President Trump isn't the centre of attention.

Igotadose wrote: »

Do please highlight the optimism gushing from the RNC.

The speeches by Senator Tim Scott and Ambassador Nicki Haley were excellent. Their life stories just about demonstrate what an amazing place America is.

The speech by the Cuban immigrant was also excellent.

All very optimistic!

Igotadose wrote: »

Do you even know what those people from St. Louis were charged with? And, how is that action optimistic? You're optimistic everyone taking the law into their own hands if the #IMPOTUS is reelected, is somehow good?

They were charged with unlawful use of a weapon and fourth-degree assault.
Both charges are bogus.

A rowdy mob of people intruded on private property. They had the right to brandish their weapons at anybody whom they believed a threat to themselves or their property.

It is true that they handled their weapons in an unprofessional manner but they committed no crime. It was yet another example of these elected prosecutors going after people in order to secure their own re-elections.

Overheal

Sean.3516 wrote: »

He didn't drop out of the RNC, the RNC dropped him because he sent out an anti-semitic pro QAnon tweet. Nothing wrong with that. It shows how the Republicans are capable of policing their own as opposed to the Democrats who's convention was rife with anti-semites and Louis Farrakhan supporters.

Was Farrakhan there? I must have missed it.

What anti-semites were there?

That's probably for the better. One's perspective on America tends to improve tremendously when President Trump isn't the centre of attention.

In other words, it's better for all that Trump stays in his bunker. Got it.

The speeches by Senator Tim Scott and Ambassador Nicki Haley were excellent. Their life stories just about demonstrate what an amazing place America is.

The speech by the Cuban immigrant was also excellent.

All very optimistic!

Is that the same Nikki Haley that excoriated Trump for using 'language I don't teach my own children to use?' Or the one who abruptly abandoned her post as governor to be an ambassador only to swiftly disappear from that job because she was about to be investigated for serious ethics violations?

Scott is the party's token minority senator, they will cast him off as a RINO the minute he steps off the party line.

Sean.3516

Sean.3516 wrote: »

He didn't drop out of the RNC, the RNC dropped him because he sent out an anti-semitic pro QAnon tweet. Nothing wrong with that. It shows how the Republicans are capable of policing their own as opposed to the Democrats who's convention was rife with anti-semites and Louis Farrakhan supporters.

They have multiple Q-Anon believers running in the election... And the president basically said he likes them since they like him. So the loons are running the asylum tbh.

Cody montana

Overheal wrote: »

Who the hell knows. They've bumped some anti-semites off the schedule so they have room.

BREAKING: Kyle Rittenhouse, 17, has been charged with first-degree murder in Kenosha, Wisconsin, according to Lake County, Illinois Clerk of Courts records

He won't be able to speak.

Sean.3516

namloc1980 wrote: »

Well we know you haven't watched a second of the RNC based on this. The main themes so far have been death, chaos, and overall fear. The most interesting part is that Republicans and Trumpists paint this picture of America being absolute hellhole but their guy has been in charge for the last 3.5 years!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpNDrWW89mE

You're wrong I have watched it. And it is an optimistic vision that says that people like Tim Scott and Nicki Haley and that Cuban immigrant can overcome great odds in order to build a better life for themselves and their children. If the Republicans can keep the orange guy off Twitter and keep telling stories like that or the next couple of months of what America is and can continue to be, Biden doesn't stand a chance.

Yes, many speakers lambasted the Democrats for allowing rabble rousers to wreck their cities unimpeded for the last few months. And as I've said Kimberly Guilfoyle made a fool of herself by screaming her head off (forgetting there was no crowd) about how Democrats have turned California, some of the most beautiful land on planet earth, into a hell-hole.

It was an optimistic vision of America juxtaposed with evidence of Democratic mismanagement of the parts of the country they control. Naturally the media never bothered to focus on the positive material except to call Tim Scott and Herschel Walker "Uncle Toms".

Overheal

Cody montana wrote: »

BREAKING: Kyle Rittenhouse, 17, has been charged with first-degree murder in Kenosha, Wisconsin, according to Lake County, Illinois Clerk of Courts records

He won't be able to speak.

I wonder who is going to arrest him. The cops seemed to love having a killer among them.

Overheal

Sean.3516 wrote: »

If the Republicans can keep the orange guy off Twitter and keep telling stories like that or the next couple of months of what America is and can continue to be, Biden doesn't stand a chance.

LOLOLOL

Cody montana

Sean.3516 wrote: »

You're wrong I have watched it. And it is an optimistic vision that says that people like Tim Scott and Nicki Haley and that Cuban immigrant can overcome great odds in order to build a better life for themselves and their children. If the Republicans can keep the orange guy off Twitter and keep telling stories like that or the next couple of months of what America is and can continue to be, Biden doesn't stand a chance.

Yes, many speakers lambasted the Democrats for allowing rabble rousers to wreck their cities unimpeded for the last few months. And as I've said Kimberly Guilfoyle made a fool of herself by screaming her head off (forgetting there was no crowd) about how Democrats have turned California, some of the most beautiful land on planet earth, into a hell-hole.

It was an optimistic vision of America juxtaposed with evidence of Democratic mismanagement of the parts of the country they control. Naturally the media never bothered to focus on the positive material except to call Tim Scott and Herschel Walker "Uncle Toms".

The above video was the opposite of optimism or reality for that matter.

Sean.3516

Overheal wrote: »

The election came down to about 80,000 votes in 3 swing states. This despite losing the popular vote overall by ~3M votes.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/12/01/donald-trump-will-be-president-thanks-to-80000-people-in-three-states/

It had nothing to do with the polls, so much as it did the thin margins in play.

The national polls were quite correct. A few state polls were wrong however. That combined with the indifference and complacency of Clinton supporters lead to the unexpected result.

Overheal

Sean.3516 wrote: »

The national polls were quite correct. A few state polls were wrong however. That combined with the indifference and complacency of Clinton supporters lead to the unexpected result.

Source?

extra gravy

Sean.3516 wrote: »

You're wrong I have watched it. And it is an optimistic vision that says that people like Tim Scott and Nicki Haley and that Cuban immigrant can overcome great odds in order to build a better life for themselves and their children.

But when AOC or Ilhan Omar overcome the odds to build a better life for themselves, they are insulted and derided by Republicans as horrible people who hate their country. More hypocritical rubbish.

namloc1980

Sean.3516 wrote: »

Yes, many speakers lambasted the Democrats for allowing rabble rousers to wreck their cities unimpeded for the last few months. And as I've said Kimberly Guilfoyle made a fool of herself by screaming her head off (forgetting there was no crowd) about how Democrats have turned California, some of the most beautiful land on planet earth, into a hell-hole.

What's the point in electing Trump again? I mean if parts of the country are getting wrecked, as you say, then this President is not very good is he. Did we see cities burning under Obama? Did we see cities burning under Clinton or Bush? No. Then why is it happening under this President? I know Trumpists are desperately trying to focus the blame elsewhere but this is happening under him.

Irishman80

What an absolute s--tshow from the Democrats in Wisconsin.

Yesterday, they refused Federal Assistance to manage the rioting in Kenosha. The city board of Kenosha requested substantial NG support (1500 NG) to help protect the city. The Democrat governor refused and sent 200 men.

City burning to the ground, Democrats pandering to rioters, now people are dead. Today, the Govenor accepted substantial federal assistance. Even Don Lemon is calling for the Democrats to speak against the riots.

If people don't think these images will be beamed into the homes of people across the US in the next few months, they are asleep.

Kidchameleon

Similar f00k ups by Cuomo caused Covid to be much worse in NY and hence the rest of the USA

Igotadose

Sean.3516 wrote: »

You're wrong I have watched it. And it is an optimistic vision that says that people like Tim Scott and Nicki Haley and that Cuban immigrant can overcome great odds in order to build a better life for themselves and their children. If the Republicans can keep the orange guy off Twitter and keep telling stories like that or the next couple of months of what America is and can continue to be, Biden doesn't stand a chance.

Whistling past the graveyard comes to mind. Very optimistic - just look at the quotes in the video. I mean, Eva Longoria!

Yes, many speakers lambasted the Democrats for allowing rabble rousers to wreck their cities unimpeded for the last few months. And as I've said Kimberly Guilfoyle made a fool of herself by screaming her head off (forgetting there was no crowd) about how Democrats have turned California, some of the most beautiful land on planet earth, into a hell-hole.

California's still beautiful. You won't get to see the good stuff on Fox news. Kimberly Guilfoyle was fine with being Mrs. Gavin Newsom when he was a prominent pol in San Francisco, btw.

It was an optimistic vision of America juxtaposed with evidence [of Democratic mismanagement of the parts of the country they control. Naturally the media never bothered to focus on the positive material except to call Tim Scott and Herschel Walker "Uncle Toms".

What, exactly, was shown that was optimistic? Job numbers? Covid death statistics? Deficits?

dwayneshintzy

extra gravy wrote: »

But when AOC or Ilhan Omar overcome the odds to build a better life for themselves, they are insulted and derided by Republicans as horrible people who hate their country. More hypocritical rubbish.

Trump is a man of the people, AOC is an elitist. That is seriously the view of many Republicans.

Igotadose

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Similar f00k ups by Cuomo caused Covid to be much worse in NY and hence the rest of the USA

Proof? Not like Cuomo was getting much help from the #IMPOTUS during this time - the good ship lollipop was a nice gesture, but they needed PPE and ventilators, those took awhile to show up, should've been stockpiled last year.

Exactly what were the Federal guidelines in place at the time for nursing home patients? (hint: it's a trick question. Hint 2: there still aren't any)

dwayneshintzy

Irishman80 wrote: »

What an absolute s--tshow from the Democrats in Wisconsin.

Yesterday, they refused Federal Assistance to manage the rioting in Kenosha. The city board of Kenosha requested substantial NG support (1500 NG) to help protect the city. The Democrat governor refused and sent 200 men.

City burning to the ground, Democrats pandering to rioters, now people are dead. Today, the Govenor accepted substantial federal assistance. Even Don Lemon is calling for the Democrats to speak against the riots.

If people don't think these images will be beamed into the homes of people across the US in the next few months, they are asleep.

Why do you think "Democrats" should be blamed for the shootings tonight?

Igotadose

namloc1980 wrote: »

What's the point in electing Trump again? I mean if parts of the country are getting wrecked, as you say, then this President is not very good is he. Did we see cities burning under Obama? Did we see cities burning under Clinton or Bush? No. Then why is it happening under this President? I know Trumpists are desperately trying to focus the blame elsewhere but this is happening under him.

It is what it is. He takes no responsibility, and heck, empty-suit Kushner even withheld Covid assistance to Democratically-controlled states. Remember: the tGOP want you to die if you don't vote their way. That's their policy.

They're down with sending in troops - more opportunity to kill non-tGOP voters. Seems obvious enough.

Cody montana

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Similar f00k ups by Cuomo caused Covid to be much worse in NY and hence the rest of the USA

You what?

Tell me how

Irishman80 wrote: »

What an absolute s--tshow from the Democrats in Wisconsin.

Yesterday, they refused Federal Assistance to manage the rioting in Kenosha. The city board of Kenosha requested substantial NG support (1500 NG) to help protect the city. The Democrat governor refused and sent 200 men.

City burning to the ground, Democrats pandering to rioters, now people are dead. Today, the Govenor accepted substantial federal assistance. Even Don Lemon is calling for the Democrats to speak against the riots.

If people don't think these images will be beamed into the homes of people across the US in the next few months, they are asleep.

We're all seeing the images of the shooter calmly walking amongst and past police officers while holding his weapon and nobody challenging him.

Takes some neck to look at the situation and blame the Democrats.

Overheal

extra gravy wrote: »

But when AOC or Ilhan Omar overcome the odds to build a better life for themselves, they are insulted and derided by Republicans as horrible people who hate their country. More hypocritical rubbish.

AOC was told to go back to her country (this is her country)

Kamala Harris was accused of not being born here

etc.

They're a bunch of sleazebags.

Timberrrrrrrr

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

Trump is a man of the people, AOC is an elitist. That is seriously the view of many Republicans.

Man of the people?


The (supposed) Billionaire, is a "Man of the people" :pac:

Meanwhile, the woman who tended bars to pay for college (remember how Trump and his ilk slagged her off for this?) Is an "elitist!

Cody montana

Tell me how wrote: »

We're all seeing the images of the shooter calmly walking amongst and past police officers while holding his weapon and nobody challenging him.

Takes some neck to look at the situation and blame the Democrats.

"Kyle Rittenhouse, 17, an Illinois resident who was just charged with first-degree murder of two people last night in Kenosha, Wisconsin. This teen, whose social media history is full of misogyny and white supremacy, had easy access to an AR-15."

Trumps America.

Overheal

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

Trump is a man of the people, AOC is an elitist. That is seriously the view of many Republicans.

How is she an elitist? :rolleyes:

Overheal

Cody montana wrote: »

"Kyle Rittenhouse, 17, an Illinois resident who was just charged with first-degree murder of two people last night in Kenosha, Wisconsin. This teen, whose social media history is full of misogyny and white supremacy, had easy access to an AR-15."

Trumps America.

"Clearly, this is all the fault of the Demonrats"

dwayneshintzy

Overheal wrote: »

How is she an elitist? :rolleyes:

She isn't......"that's seriously the view of many Republicans" wasn't meant as something I agree with. It's completely ludicrous, yet they'll spout it with a straight face.