2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

Sean.3516

namloc1980 wrote: »

What's the point in electing Trump again? I mean if parts of the country are getting wrecked, as you say, then this President is not very good is he.

You realise the US has a federal system?
Trump can't do anything about the fact that California is driving people away in droves with exorbitant taxes and turning San Francisco into "tent city" by allowing mentally ill hobos to camp and shoot up heroin wherever they like.
Trump can't control policing in America's major cities all of which are Democrat run.

namloc1980 wrote: »

Did we see cities burning under Obama? Did we see cities burning under Clinton or Bush? No. Then why is it happening under this President? I know Trumpists are desperately trying to focus the blame elsewhere but this is happening under him.

The Ferguson riots happened under Obama's watch. The riots never became widespread because Obama was very good at placating the BLM radicals with despicable demagoguery. Such as when he said "Trayvon Martin could have been my son." and in the UN speech where he talked about American racism and a "little town called Ferguson" where Michael Brown was supposedly shot while saying "hands up, don't shoot!" A complete fabrication.

Obama's own DOJ found the Michael Brown shooting was completely justified yet Democrats to this day maintain the Ferguson lie.
Polls have shown Americans were significantly less optimistic about race relations after Obama's presidency than before it.

A Republican president is the only excuse Democrats need to start tearing cities up.

duploelabs

Irishman80 wrote: »

The funny thing about people like yourself, who are tied to a candidate, is ye can't seem to realise when something is bad for a candidate or good for a candidate. The candidate is always right no matter what.

In Minnesota, Biden was miles ahead. After the BLM riots and unrest, the last month has produced polls which put the race at a dead heat.

But, but, but what evidence do you have that it will affect Biden in Wisconsin?

OK, so all I did was ask for proof for an assertion. But as always fir people like you, you waffle and dodge and never actually back up anything with proof or facts. That's just propaganda, which in your case is just hot air, nothing more.

And answering a question with a question?? Is this the primary school debating forum?

Kidchameleon

Fantastic video from the RNC today where President Trump pardons Jon Ponder (a great man who has turned his life around as well as many others). The moment he was (unexpectedly) pardoned is very, very heartwarming. I highly recommend a viewing.

Jon Ponder is an American thrice-convicted bank-robber who after his release in 2009 has founded the Hope for Prisoners program in Nevada which helps former prisoners to reintegrate into society.

Irishman80

duploelabs wrote: »

OK, so all I did was ask for proof for an assertion. But as always fir people like you, you waffle and dodge and never actually back up anything with proof or facts. That's just propaganda, which in your case is just hot air, nothing more.

And answering a question with a question?? Is this the primary school debating forum?

You're asking me for polls which show that the riots happening now in Wisconsin are damaging to Biden.

That's impossible to provide because the polls haven't been conducted yet. Past polls don't include updated voter information. Only future polls will show that.

But we can get an idea of future trend from Minnesota polls - which show a trend towards Trump after the BLM riots there.

You just don't want to recognise why these riots are becoming a negative for the Democrats and Biden now - and that's completely your choice.

Overheal

Sean.3516 wrote: »

And if America were as sexist and as racist as they claim it is on a daily basis

Can you cite some examples? Daily examples? How bad are they painting it, really?

Cody montana

Breaking via NYT: The CDC was instructed by higher-ups within the Trump admin to modify its coronavirus testing guidelines this week to exclude people who do not have symptoms of Covid-19 — even if they have been recently exposed to the virus.

namloc1980

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Fantastic video from the RNC today where President Trump pardons Jon Ponder (a great man who has turned his life around as well as many others). The moment he was (unexpectedly) pardoned is very, very heartwarming. I highly recommend a viewing.

Yeah and breaking the law in the form of the Hatch Act in the process. I presume you are ok with the flagrant breaches of the law that are being committed at the RNC?

If Obama had done that at a politician convention you and all the Republicans would have blown a gasket. FFS the Republicans lost their minds when Obama had the temerity to wear a tan coloured suit.

Kidchameleon

namloc1980 wrote: »

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Its just a nice video aside from the bickering. Will not comment further.

duploelabs

Irishman80 wrote: »

You're asking me for polls which show that the riots happening now in Wisconsin are damaging to Biden.

That's impossible to provide because the polls haven't been conducted yet. Past polls don't include updated voter information. Only future polls will show that.

But we can get an idea of future trend from Minnesota polls - which show a trend towards Trump after the BLM riots there.

You just don't want to recognise why these riots are becoming a negative for the Democrats and Biden now - and that's completely your choice.

I wasn't saying I was recognising anything, assertions come from fact...

So after claiming...

Wisconsin is back in play from been essentially locked down by Biden.

You're admitting you've absolutely nothing to back up this assertion.

So it's just bull, glad we can put this matter to bed

namloc1980

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Its just a nice video aside from the bickering. Will not comment further.

True to form.

Overheal

Sean.3516 wrote: »

You realise the US has a federal system?
Trump can't do anything about the fact that California is driving people away in droves with exorbitant taxes and turning San Francisco into "tent city" by allowing mentally ill hobos to camp and shoot up heroin wherever they like.
Trump can't control policing in America's major cities all of which are Democrat run.

So why is he campaigning on the vague notion that he can do something about it, Law and Order, etc?

The Ferguson riots happened under Obama's watch. The riots never became widespread because Obama was very good at placating the BLM radicals with despicable demagoguery. Such as when he said "Trayvon Martin could have been my son." and in the UN speech where he talked about American racism and a "little town called Ferguson" where Michael Brown was supposedly shot while saying "hands up, don't shoot!" A complete fabrication.

Because Obama listened to everyone, even people who showed up to his rallies to heckle. So of course he, as a leader, addressed the riots, and lead them to a peaceful resolution. Trump, meanwhile, teargassed the clergy and glorifies the use of violence against protesters.

Obama's own DOJ found the Michael Brown shooting was completely justified yet Democrats to this day maintain the Ferguson lie.

Do you have a source that says the DOJ said it was "completely justified?" Nevermind that the prosecutor, responsible for needing to argue charges against the officer, having a clear conflict of interest: Robert Mulloch's father was a cop who was killed in the line of duty in an incident involving a black man.

Polls have shown Americans were significantly less optimistic about race relations after Obama's presidency than before it.

Link?

Kidchameleon

namloc1980 wrote: »

True to form.

Its a neutral video intended to put a smile on the faces of both sides of the debate. Chillax.

Overheal

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Its a neutral video intended to put a smile on the faces of both sides of the debate. Chillax.

There's nothing neutral about it.

namloc1980

Sean.3516 wrote: »

A Republican president is the only excuse Democrats need to start tearing cities up.

Presumably you can point to all the cities that Democrats tore up under Bush Jnr, Bush Snr, Reagan etc. all republican presidents. Please list them out here.

namloc1980

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Its a neutral video intended to put a smile on the faces of both sides of the debate. Chillax.

It was not neutral at all. It was political opportunism by using the power of the office at a political event, which breaches the law. If it was purely neutral why do it at a political event and not last week or next week or any other much more appropriate time?

Overheal

Brilliant response from Bernie: "If only it were true" that Biden was a socialist

https://twitter.com/grace_panetta/status/1298680292811640832?s=20

Overheal

namloc1980 wrote: »

Can you list out what you believe are her socialist solutions? Republicans accuse her of advocating socialism and communism while not understanding what either are. And to be honest most people who bang on about socialism actually don't know what socialism is and just use it as a buzzword.

You'll get nothing from Eric. He's a talking points guy not a details guy.

Kidchameleon

namloc1980 wrote: »

It was not neutral at all. It was political opportunism by using the power of the office at a political event, which breaches the law. If it was purely neutral why do it at a political event and not last week or next week or any other much more appropriate time?

Because Jon is a speaker at RNC. POTUS is excempt from hatch. Trump has met Jon before privately

Sean.3516

Igotadose wrote: »

Whistling past the graveyard comes to mind. Very optimistic - just look at the quotes in the video. I mean, Eva Longoria!

The video was 60 seconds long and showed none of the prime time speakers that I referred to.

Igotadose wrote: »

California's still beautiful. You won't get to see the good stuff on Fox news. Kimberly Guilfoyle was fine with being Mrs. Gavin Newsom when he was a prominent pol in San Francisco, btw.

Then why are people leaving in droves?

LA and San Francisco have become almost unliveable in the last 20 years because the Democrats thought it would be a good idea to give mentally ill people the right to set up camp in public and shoot heroin on people's doorsteps.

Igotadose wrote: »

What, exactly, was shown that was optimistic? Job numbers? Covid death statistics? Deficits?

Job numbers under Trump were the best they'd ever been before, you know, a once in a century pandemic screwed up the world economy.

With regard to COVID, it baffles me how nobody understands that the US is a federal republic. The first responsibility for acting on COVID always rested on state governors. The only significant actions the US President could take was to shut down incoming air travel from foreign countries and use Federal resources to supplement state resources where necessary both of which he did (as acknowledged by many Democrat governors.) When things were at their worst in New York, even Andrew Cuomo acknowledged how obliging Trump was. It was never Trump's job to implement specific lockdown measures in states.

By the way, seven out of the top ten states in terms of death rates per capita are run by Democrats. All the hysteria over Florida, Texas and Georgia was fake news. Those states were 17th, 15th and 20th respectively. Meanwhile, Cuomo got away with shipping elderly folk back into nursing homes after they tested positive.

Deficits? Unfortunately neither party cares about deficits and its a non-issue for the American people.

Overheal

Yes, Biden condemns violence. Shocking, I know, we are always hearing about how he is ideologically sympatico with Joe Stalin or whatever

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1298697722304888833?s=20

Overheal

Sean.3516 wrote: »

LA and San Francisco have become almost unliveable in the last 20 years

Looking at the population of both, I don't see anywhere in the last 20 years where there is any decline in population, there is only population growth. So what are you talking about?

namloc1980

Overheal wrote: »

Looking at the population of both, I don't see anywhere in the last 20 years where there is any decline in population, there is only population growth. So what are you talking about?

It's a right wing talking point. Like most right wing talking points it has no basis in reality.

Cody montana

Sean.3516 wrote: »

The video was 60 seconds long and showed none of the prime time speakers that I referred to.


Then why are people leaving in droves?

LA and San Francisco have become almost unliveable in the last 20 years because the Democrats thought it would be a good idea to give mentally ill people the right to set up camp in public and shoot heroin on people's doorsteps.



Job numbers under Trump were the best they'd ever been before, you know, a once in a century pandemic screwed up the world economy.

With regard to COVID, it baffles me how nobody understands that the US is a federal republic. The first responsibility for acting on COVID always rested on state governors. The only significant actions the US President could take was to shut down incoming air travel from foreign countries and use Federal resources to supplement state resources where necessary both of which he did (as acknowledged by many Democrat governors.) When things were at their worst in New York, even Andrew Cuomo acknowledged how obliging Trump was. It was never Trump's job to implement specific lockdown measures in states.

By the way, seven out of the top ten states in terms of death rates per capita are run by Democrats. All the hysteria over Florida, Texas and Georgia was fake news. Those states were 17th, 15th and 20th respectively. Meanwhile, Cuomo got away with shipping elderly folk back into nursing homes after they tested positive.

Deficits? Unfortunately neither party cares about deficits and its a non-issue for the American people.

Yeah, it's always someone else's fault, never the leader of the actual country.

Now back in the real world.

Job numbers are now one of the worst in history.

Trump lied, deflected and downplayed the pandemic from the very start and still is.
He is the leader, he is meant to show leadership, he has failed.
The voters won't judge governors on the pandemic, they will judge the president.

No one cares that the deficit is 3 TRILLION?

LessOutragePlz

Overheal wrote: »

Do you have a source that says the DOJ said it was "completely justified?"

Link?

DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE REPORT REGARDING THE CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION INTO THE SHOOTING DEATH OF MICHAEL BROWN BY FERGUSON, MISSOURI POLICE OFFICER DARREN WILSON

"As detailed throughout this report, the evidence does not establish that the shots fired by Wilson were objectively unreasonable under federal law."

"There are no witness accounts that federal prosecutors, and likewise a jury, would credit to support the conclusion that Wilson fired at Brown from behind. With the exception of the two wounds to Brown’s right arm, which indicate neither bullet trajectory nor the direction in which Brown was moving when he was struck, the medical examiners’ reports are in agreement that the entry wounds from the latter gunshots were to the front of Brown’s body, establishing that Brown was facing Wilson when these shots were fired. This includes the fatal shot to the top of Brown’s head. The physical evidence also establishes that Brown moved forward toward Wilson after he turned around to face him. The physical evidence is corroborated by multiple eyewitnesses."

Source:
First link on the results page below

https://www.google.com/search?q=federal+report+michael+brown+shooting&oq=federal+report+michael+brown+shooting&aqs=chrome..69i57.11979j0j4&client=ms-android-xiaomi-rev1&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

joseywhales

Kidchameleon wrote: »

& God bless you friend.

& God bless Jesus

extra gravy

https://twitter.com/SenGianaris/status/1298691486700249093?s=19

"Very fine people"

pjohnson

extra gravy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/SenGianaris/status/1298691486700249093?s=19

"Very fine people"

Expect Rittenhouse to be wished luck any day now. He's an American hero now to certain Republicans.

namloc1980

extra gravy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/SenGianaris/status/1298691486700249093?s=19

"Very fine people"

He drove across state lines from Illinois to be there and killed two people.

extra gravy

namloc1980 wrote: »

He drove across state lines from Illinois to be there and killed two people.

A 17 year old with access to a weapon like that, sums up everything that's wrong with America.

pjohnson

namloc1980 wrote: »

He drove across state lines from Illinois to be there and killed two people.

He missed the chance to speak at the Rep Convention


Thats the upstanding morals that apparently makes America great.