2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

Professor Moriarty

jamule wrote: »

is that the greed is good version with all the socialist ideals jebus eptomised taken out. it must be about 5 pages long with big writing

I find the idea that Trump is Jesus' champion on earth to be very funny. I'm imagining Jesus up in the clouds nodding approvingly at every tweet, every rant at a rally, every sexual assault, every extramarital affair with a porn star.

Danzy

Danzy wrote: »

They peacefully set that church on fire.

The priest in the church himself said that the protests were peaceful until Trump's goon squad arrived. The Bishop condemned the how the Police and Trump behaved. So portraying the protesters as the bad guys doesn't match with what the reality.

https://www.masslive.com/news/2020/06/im-shaken-priest-forcibly-removed-by-police-from-dc-church-for-president-trump-photo-opportunity-shares-experience.html

drunkmonkey

Democrats seem to have backed the wrong horse, between Hillary, Pelosi and Michael Moore there already waving the white flag...Paddy power has gone to evens won't be long before Trump is the bookies darling.

namloc1980

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

I find the idea that Trump is Jesus' champion on earth to be very funny. I'm imagining Jesus up in the clouds nodding approvingly at every tweet, every rant at a rally, every sexual assault, every extramarital affair with a porn star.

Comical. In reality the conservative Christians in the US would have absolutely hated Jesus and his message if he were here now. Jesus the historical figure stood up for the poor and weak of society. He espoused a non material lifestyle and was against the greed of wealth. American conservatives absolutely hate that message and would have undoubtedly dismissed the historical Jesus as a socialist agitator.

namloc1980

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Democrats seem to have backed the wrong horse, between Hillary, Pelosi and Michael Moore there already waving the white flag...Paddy power has gone to evens won't be long before Trump is the bookies darling.

Paddy Power paid out on Hillary in 2016. The delusion is strong today, seems it took a day yesterday for the Trumpists to get over his very low energy performance at the RNC.

Cody montana

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Democrats seem to have backed the wrong horse, between Hillary, Pelosi and Michael Moore there already waving the white flag...Paddy power has gone to evens won't be long before Trump is the bookies darling.

Who do you think will win?

namloc1980

namloc1980 wrote: »

Paddy Power paid out on Hillary in 2016. The delusion is strong today, seems it took a day yesterday for the Trumpists to get over his very low energy performance at the RNC.

Also, it's pretty a damming reflection that an incumbent is struggling to be a favourite with bookies. Meanwhile the actual polling hasn't shifted in any dramatic way. Believe it'll be tight and this is very much so one of the most important elections in US history. If he gets reelected, it'll be a disaster for them socially. If he doesn't, then it's a question of if they can recover from him.

Timberrrrrrrr

Danzy wrote: »

They peacefully set that church on fire.

The clergy he gassed? Or do you mean the protesters the night before? He did it so he could get a photo op, he even managed to make a mess of that by holding the bible upside down, or maybe he did that on purpose.

Timberrrrrrrr

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Eh, I called the tweet dumb, how the hell did you get to that "So...". Very Cathy Newman.



I'd hardly be calling it dumb if I felt all he ever tweeted back then was fine.

so people can change in a few years? So you will never mention Biden and segregation again seeing as he has obviously changed over the years?

one world order

namloc1980 wrote: »

That reads like the blurb off any number of whacky conspiracy videos on YouTube. I'd bet that's where it came from.

Anyway could you please list out the policies that Trump reversed that were removing God from society?

Signed order's for free speech and religious liberty, rescinded Obama's plans for transgender bathrooms, allowed religious schools to participate in scholarship programs, conscience protections for health care entities and staff, creation international religious freedom fund, restrictions on fetal tissue for research, blocked funding to organisations promoting abortion, removed hidden abortion charges from Obamacare, order's to defend publicly displayed crosses, funding to religious sites attacked by vandals, removing requirements for faith based groups to accept same sex marriage, guidance for protected prayer in schools, statements gender identity is harmful to women sports, support for pro life bills, etc...

Timberrrrrrrr

namloc1980 wrote: »

Comical. In reality the conservative Christians in the US would have absolutely hated Jesus and his message if he were here now. Jesus the historical figure stood up for the poor and weak of society. He espoused a non material lifestyle and was against the greed of wealth. American conservatives absolutely hate that message and would have undoubtedly dismissed the historical Jesus as a socialist agitator.

Indeed

Whoever is generous to the poor lends to the Lord, and he will repay him for his deed.

For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, ‘You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.’

Whoever oppresses a poor man insults his Maker, but he who is generous to the needy honors him.

But when you give a feast, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind,

And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said: “Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God. “Blessed are you who are hungry now, for you shall be satisfied. “Blessed are you who weep now, for you shall laugh.

Whoever closes his ear to the cry of the poor will himself call out and not be answered.

And Jesus, looking at him, loved him, and said to him, “You lack one thing: go, sell all that you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”

And many more just like that in the bible.

jamule

Even as a lapsed athiest I can still say the bible is a fine book with many a good lesson.

unfortnetly to many fookwits mis-interpret it as a greed is good and fook your neighbour (literally when it comes to donny and Jerry)

namloc1980

one world order wrote: »

Signed order's for free speech and religious liberty,

You're obviously not aware but freedom of religion and free speech are protected in the US constitution. Trump may have signed "orders" but those were done for theatrics to appease religious fundamentalists.

one world order wrote: »

rescinded Obama's plans for transgender bathrooms,

What exactly is religious about infringing on minorities? This one actually betrays why so called Christians love Trump - because he hates the same people they do. Anyway this week a Federal Appeal Court found that unconstitutional :pac:

https://news.yahoo.com/court-rules-resoundingly-yes-transgender-203028721.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9zZWFyY2gueWFob28uY29tL3NlYXJjaD9mcj1tY2FmZWUmdHlwZT1FMjExVVM3MTRHOTEzMjkmcD10cnVtcCt0cmFuc2dlbmRlcitiYXRocm9vbXMmX2d1Y19jb25zZW50X3NraXA9MTU5ODcwNDQxNg&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAHH25DId2xN5s2_SUT0uF5EBSTWcsJ1BYNGlz7rXZhB7q2iM64SYxBceNd1XSv0KBzKKZpzpaneNC4FbjCnDMZbq_pkiYeSpJqCxgUFvGYKT6cQSXuqkhf4PYZNJxTfu2vyzHt5ebfjWn82l7H-oGzNkwprekEbJRilcn7OCEi6X

one world order wrote: »

allowed religious schools to participate in scholarship programs,

Left out the crucial part there that these are PRIVATE religious schools. Public schools in the US are crying out for investment but you think redirecting taxpayers money to private schools is good simply because they teach religion? That's weird.

one world order wrote: »

conscience protections for health care entities and staff,

A federal court overturned that rule because it went directly against what healthcare workers should do - care for patients. Bit of a theme here isn't there.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/06/upshot/trump-conscience-rule-overturned.html

one world order wrote: »

creation international religious freedom fund,

This originated from the International religious Freedom Act of 1998 (a Bill Clinton administration law)

one world order wrote: »

restrictions on fetal tissue for research, blocked funding to organisations promoting abortion, removed hidden abortion charges from Obamacare,

And this is bout pandering to the evangelical vote. They were all "my body my choice" over wearing masks but want to fully control women's bodies and reproductive rights. Hypocrites.

one world order wrote: »

order's to defend publicly displayed crosses,

Freedom of religion is protected in the constitution.

one world order wrote: »

funding to religious sites attacked by vandals,

Vandalism shouldn't happen but why is taxpayers money going to religious sites?

one world order wrote: »

removing requirements for faith based groups to accept same sex marriage,

What the heck does that mean? Anyway it's also unconstitutional (again)

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/15/politics/supreme-court-lgbtq-employment-case/index.html

one world order wrote: »

guidance for protected prayer in schools,

Guidance....ooooooohhh scary

one world order wrote: »

statements gender identity is harmful to women sports,

Yeah he lost that in court too. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/aug/18/us-judge-blocks-law-banning-trans-athletes-from-womens-sports

one world order wrote: »

support for pro life bills, etc...

See above on pandering to religious fundamentalists.

So basically a load of measures that are either unconstitutional or straight up illegal and others that dangerously blur the lines and separation of church and state to appease religious fundamentalists. I thought you would have had more to be honest.

one world order

namloc1980 wrote: »

So basically a load of measures that are either unconstitutional or straight up illegal and others that dangerously blur the lines and separation of church and state to appease religious fundamentalists. I thought you would have had more to be honest.

Measures are to overturn legislation that go against God's teaching. If more people read God's word there wouldn't be as many problems in society. What ever way you want to look at it, Trump as president has actively sought to restore America to it's Christian root's. When God is kicked out, then society falls apart.

one world order

one world order wrote: »

Measures are to overturn legislation that go against God's teaching. If more people read God's word there wouldn't be as many problems in society. What ever way you want to look at it, Trump as president has actively sought to restore America to it's Christian root's. When God is kicked out, then society falls apart.

America was founded as a secular state... So while the founding fathers held religious beliefs, they were not supposed to define the country. This is why for example same sex marriage is constitutionally fine. Why are you trying to reinvent the founding?

namloc1980

one world order wrote: »

Measures are to overturn legislation that go against God's teaching. If more people read God's word there wouldn't be as many problems in society. What ever way you want to look at it, Trump as president has actively sought to restore America to it's Christian root's. When God is kicked out, then society falls apart.

From reading that it looks like you're cool with Trump chancing his arm with unconstitutional and illegal measures simply because they align with your religious fundamentalist viewpoint. That's fair enough but deeply irrational and hypocritical.

ollkiller

one world order wrote: »

Measures are to overturn legislation that go against God's teaching. If more people read God's word there wouldn't be as many problems in society. What ever way you want to look at it, Trump as president has actively sought to restore America to it's Christian root's. When God is kicked out, then society falls apart.

I grew up in the 80's in Catholic Ireland. And it was awful.

extra gravy

ollkiller wrote: »

I grew up in the 80's in Catholic Ireland. And it was awful.

One world disorder would have us go back to 1950s Ireland if he had his way. I'd say he's an archbishop McQuaid fanboy.

Igotadose

one world order wrote: »

Measures are to overturn legislation that go against God's teaching. If more people read God's word there wouldn't be as many problems in society. What ever way you want to look at it, Trump as president has actively sought to restore America to it's Christian root's. When God is kicked out, then society falls apart.

So... which book of the Bible is 2 Corinthians? It's the #IMPOTUS's favorite.

What you're missing, is that with his lies and rejoice in death, it's the #IMPOTUS who is Satan incarnate, leading all of us to Armageddon. He's restoring the Temple in Jerusalem, has plague running through his country, famine (people in food lines), war (dispatching secret police to illegally detain and abuse protestors), and of course hundreds of thousands of excess deaths.

And, extra credit, it's 29 August. Skynet becomes conscious today. It's JUDGEMENT DAY!

one world order

Igotadose wrote: »

So... which book of the Bible is 2 Corinthians? It's the #IMPOTUS's favorite.

What you're missing, is that with his lies and rejoice in death, it's the #IMPOTUS who is Satan incarnate, leading all of us to Armageddon. He's restoring the Temple in Jerusalem, has plague running through his country, famine (people in food lines), war (dispatching secret police to illegally detain and abuse protestors), and of course hundreds of thousands of excess deaths.

And, extra credit, it's 29 August. Skynet becomes conscious today. It's JUDGEMENT DAY!

As we get closer to the election, those working in the background will try everything to stop him getting re-elected. Crazy thing is, those trying to destroy the country think they can topple a democratically elected government through violence and destruction. Things are going to become very interesting in the next few months. But God is in control and Trump will get re-elected no matter what tricks they try between now and November 3rd.

Kidchameleon

one world order wrote: »

As we get closer to the election, those working in the background will try everything to stop him getting re-elected. Crazy thing is, those trying to destroy the country think they can topple a democratically elected government through violence and destruction. Things are going to become very interesting in the next few months. But God is in control and Trump will get re-elected no matter what tricks they try between now and November 3rd.

One of my greatest fears is what will happen when President Trump is re-elected. We saw some horrific riots in the days after his election in 2016. Things were so bad, even Barack Hussein Obama had to call on the rioters to stop. I pray to almighty God that people will peacefully accept the DEMOCRATIC decision this time and move on.

Tell me how

Kidchameleon wrote: »

One of my greatest fears is what will happen when President Trump is re-elected. We saw some horrific riots in the days after his election in 2016. Things were so bad, even Barack Hussein Obama had to call on the rioters to stop. I pray to almighty God that people will peacefully accept the DEMOCRATIC decision this time and move on.

Lets hope God has a word with Trump on your behalf.

Timberrrrrrrr

Kidchameleon wrote: »

One of my greatest fears is what will happen when President Trump is re-elected. We saw some horrific riots in the days after his election in 2016. Things were so bad, even Barack Hussein Obama had to call on the rioters to stop. I pray to almighty God that people will peacefully accept the DEMOCRATIC decision this time and move on.

If Trump loses will he accept the DEMOCRATIC decision? He has already claimed that the only way he can lose is if the election is rigged, paving the way for him to call for insurgency from armed militia types.

What if he wins in November but loses in 2024? Hasn't he already claimed he should get another term?

The biggest danger to democracy in the US is currently sitting in the oval office trying to Dismantle democracy.

Professor Moriarty

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Just on the subject of Melania propagating the birther conspiracy, I believe it was Hillary Clinton who was responsible for this image circulating although I cannot say for sure

What's your point?

namloc1980

one world order wrote: »

But God is in control and Trump will get re-elected no matter what tricks they try between now and November 3rd.

Sure thing, the magic supernatural being living in the sky is in charge. That's the weird thing about religious fundamentalism, their god is supposed to be this omnipotent being, master and king of the entire universe but you're convinced he takes a personal interest in a transient political event in one corner of a small planet in the vastness of the universe. That's completely delusional.

Any comment on Trump's "tricks" with the post office? Or are you and your god ok with him don't a bit of voter suppression??

Kidchameleon

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

What's your point?

That Team Trump were not the only ones propagating the birther conspiracy.

Kidchameleon

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

If Trump loses will he accept the DEMOCRATIC decision?

Of course he would. I'd be more worried about Joe...

Hillary Clinton says Biden should not concede the election 'under any circumstances'

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/hillary-clinton-says-biden-should-not-concede-2020-election-under-n1238156

Professor Moriarty

Kidchameleon wrote: »

That Team Trump were not the only ones propagating the birther conspiracy.

What's the point of the photograph you posted?

Kidchameleon

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Just on the subject of Melania propagating the birther conspiracy, I believe it was Hillary Clinton who was responsible for this image circulating although I cannot say for sure

And? Don't believe anyone is okay with the fact she did that. Meanwhile Trump claimed to have definitive proof he wasn't American. You know Hillary isn't up for reelection? It's the guy who's destroyed the US position in international politics who has failed to achieve anything of note in 4 years beyond name calling on social media and dividing the nation.

jamule

Kidchameleon wrote: »

One of my greatest fears is what will happen when President Trump is re-elected. We saw some horrific riots in the days after his election in 2016. Things were so bad, even Barack Hussein Obama had to call on the rioters to stop. I pray to almighty God that people will peacefully accept the DEMOCRATIC decision this time and move on.

Don't worry , when the riot starts your dear leader will be cowering down in a bunker, hiding in the behind of a porn star or an illegally imported stripper.