2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

Eric Cartman

Deleted User wrote: »

Multiple health officials backup that he messed up royslly. Including not even following laid out strategy by previous governments.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/run-plays-officials-trump-administration-pandemic-playbooks/story?id=71999769

I ament denying he messed up, why do people keep ignoring that... I just refuse to agree that America having higher numbers is all his fault.

Carfacemandog

Eric Cartman wrote: »

yes, but its impossible for me to read the same posters blame trump for literally every issue in America , including cultural issues that predated him completely and not devalue their condemnation of him as nothing more than a personal dislike.

Covid did not pre-date Trump.

BLM did, but all you need to do is compare and contrast the riots in 2014 under Obama and Biden, to the riots in 2020 under Trump to see he clearly has done an awful job of managing that situation when compared to his precedessor.

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[Deleted User] wrote: »

In stranger news, Herman Cain continues to tweet beyond the grave and downplays the coronavirus.


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/herman-cain-twitter-coronavirus-death-claim-republican-cdc-figures-a9696966.html?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1598873602

Saw this earlier, bizarre and a bit creepy.

Timberrrrrrrr

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I ament denying he messed up, why do people keep ignoring that... I just refuse to agree that America having higher numbers is all his fault.

As the man himself said

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/398887965302091776?s=20

Eric Cartman

Carfacemandog wrote: »

Covid did not pre-date Trump.

BLM did, but all you need to do is compare and contrast the riots in 2014 under Obama and Biden, to the riots in 2020 under Trump to see he clearly has done an awful job of managing that situation when compared to his precedessor.

Occupy Wall Street had a seriously violent streak. The LA riots etc... this is nothing new for America. Social media just makes it more visible.

Theres a shocking correlation between election years where a republican is in office and street riots.

Eric Cartman

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I ament denying he messed up, why do people keep ignoring that... I just refuse to agree that America having higher numbers is all his fault.

The high numbers in large part relate to how they handled it.

Carfacemandog

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I ament denying he messed up, why do people keep ignoring that... I just refuse to agree that America having higher numbers is all his fault.

The problem with this is, even Trump doesn't agree with it. By his own standards, he is responsible, and his childish "I take no responsibility" cries after the fact, only show that by his own standards he does not possess leadership qualities.

Leroy42

Eric Cartman wrote: »

yes, but its impossible for me to read the same posters blame trump for literally every issue in America , including cultural issues that predated him completely and not devalue their condemnation of him as nothing more than a personal dislike.

Have posters really blamed him, that seems like a nice little excuse straight out of Trumps playbook.

Nobody, for example, blames him for the virus. But they do, rightly, blame him for not only his terrible handling of it but his driving of conspiracy theories and hitting out at scientists on the basis that he knew as much as they did.

He actively made a terrible situation even worse. Whils that US was always going to suffer from the virus, he made it that during the suffering, the US itself was going to be forced into two distinct camps, rather than everyone working together.

In terms of racism, again nobody blames him for it, it is a seething sore than has been around for generations. But they do blame him for going out of his way to inflame the issues, rather than to quell them.

Carfacemandog

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Occupy Wall Street had a seriously violent streak. The LA riots etc... this is nothing new for America. Social media just makes it more visible.

Occupy and the LA Riots also completely paled in comparison to what we have seen in 2020 under Trump - all you are showing is two more examples of protests/riots being handled better by other presidents than they have been by Trump. These are -by far, as in multiple times that of any other- the largest protests and riots seen in the entire history of the United States, and as per Trump himself (see tweet above), he is responsible for this. His handling of it has been beyond woeful, and utterly incompetent.

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Eric Cartman wrote: »

yes, but its impossible for me to read the same posters blame trump for literally every issue in America , including cultural issues that predated him completely and not devalue their condemnation of him as nothing more than a personal dislike.

Rubbish. Nobody here wants to see America on its knees and if Trump had handled the pandemic response and social upheaval better, I'd be the first to congratulate him even if I do dislike him as a person. The problem with most Trump supporters is that they won't accept any criticism of him even when it's justified, they just pass it off as "personal dislike". It's a lazy and simplistic attitude to have.

Outlaw Pete

Carfacemandog wrote: »

BLM did, but all you need to do is compare and contrast the riots in 2014 under Obama and Biden, to the riots in 2020 under Trump to see he clearly has done an awful job of managing that situation when compared to his precedessor.

Rose tinted glasses.

Look at 2016, BLM were doing the same crap then they are now only Obama effectively endorsed their nonsense at the time, saying all the right things, giving them legitimacy and it made no difference as many cops ended up getting executed for being white. Obama even went to those cops memorial and (in front of their families) gave a speech about racism against black people.

Trump doesn't pander to the radical left and help feed their false narratives and they can't stand it. There's been too much of that in America and it has had a hugely negative effect on all of Western Society. It doesn't help anyway. Eight years of Obama endorsing regressive leftism didn't please those people as they are insatiable when it comes to such things given they are all really just a means to an end. Identity politics is really just a tool they to undermine the values and traditions of Western Society, which is why you tend only to hear about slightings when a white person has done something wrong.

namloc1980

It's all Obama's fault..... I knew it!

Outlaw Pete

namloc1980 wrote: »

It's all Obama's fault..... I knew it!

Well, yeah, it fcuking is. That pos endorsed them and had the bloody gall to do it in front of grieving family members too.

But hey, they were just white people.

Obama just couldn't help himself in Dallas speech

President Obama, for his part, beautifully praised our fallen heroes and struck inspiring themes of appreciation for police that were precisely what was needed at the event. But then he just could not restrain himself.

I wondered how long it would take for him to defend the Black Lives Matter corner of his core constituency that has come under proper fire for its viciously broad slander of police culture. Elapsed time was about fifteen minutes from praise for our fallen officers to a further coddling of those who took to our streets to malign their brothers and sisters in uniform. Aiming straight at those of us who have suggested a civil perusal of racial disparity is actually harmed by BLM's excesses, his scolding was firm: "We cannot simply turn away and dismiss those in peaceful protest as troublemakers or paranoid," he instructed.

Oh, yes, we can, when that's what they are. America fully supports thoughtful, fact-based examinations of controversial shootings, for evidence of malfeasance, racial or otherwise. Black Lives Matter has no interest in such a constructive exercise. They have reached their conclusions, and they will not be swayed.

Yet the President's defense of them continued, before a crowd gathered to mourn those lost to the BLM-inspired murder: "We can't simply dismiss it as a symptom of political correctness or reverse racism. To have your experience denied like that, dismissed by those in authority, dismissed perhaps even by your white friends and coworkers and fellow church members again and again and again -- it hurts. Surely we can see that, all of us."

This is guilt-mongering of a particularly craven order, yet another straw man from the president's inexhaustible collection. What an insult to be told that objections to the hateful rhetorical excesses of Black Lives Matter is somehow a sucker-punch to our black friends. No one should be "hurt" by this criticism except those partaking in the broad smearing of the police profession.

As the president explored a list of his perceived societal ills, it struck me that he is entitled to every point he made, but was this the place? Did grieving families and friends need to endure long paragraphs of analysis about his favored beliefs on race and justice? Wasn't this an occasion best used to share words of praise for those we lost and comfort for those left behind?

Carfacemandog

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Rose tinted glasses.

Look at 2016, BLM were doing the same crap then they are now only Obama effectively endorsed their nonsense at the time, saying all the right things, giving them legitimacy and it made no difference as many cops ended up getting executed for being white. Obama even went to those cops memorial and (in front of their families) gave a speech about racism against black people.

Trump doesn't pander to the radical left and help feed their false narratives and they can't stand it. There's been too much of that in America and it has had a hugely negative effect on all of Western Society. It doesn't help anyway. Eight years of Obama endorsing regressive leftism didn't please those people as they are insatiable when it comes to such things given they are all really just a means to an end. Identity politics is really just a tool they to undermine the values and traditions of Western Society, which is why you tend only to hear about slightings when a white person has done something wrong.

The 2016 riots were over in 3 days, while the 2020 riots are on about day 95 by now with far more dead, immeasurably more damage to property, no sign of end in sight, and nothing resolved but only made worse. Trump's mishandling of them has seen them become the biggest in American history, and as per the man himself, as the supposed leader of the country, this is explicitly his fault and responsibility. Just because you don't like that doesn't stop it from being fact.

Beyond the laughable lack of introspection that is a Trump supporter complaining about identity politics, I also wouldn't prattle on about executions if I were you, and would be interested to know how many funerals of the American soldiers killed by Russian orders - with Trumps knowledge - that he attended.

Overheal

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Rose tinted glasses.

Look at 2016, BLM were doing the same crap then they are now only Obama effectively endorsed their nonsense at the time, saying all the right things, giving them legitimacy and it made no difference as many cops ended up getting executed for being white. Obama even went to those cops memorial and (in front of their families) gave a speech about racism against black people.

Trump doesn't pander to the radical left and help feed their false narratives and they can't stand it. There's been too much of that in America and it has had a hugely negative effect on all of Western Society. It doesn't help anyway. Eight years of Obama endorsing regressive leftism didn't please those people as they are insatiable when it comes to such things given they are all really just a means to an end. Identity politics is really just a tool they to undermine the values and traditions of Western Society, which is why you tend only to hear about slightings when a white person has done something wrong.

If they’re rose tinted glasses do you mind supplying evidence to show the Obama era protests were worse?

Outlaw Pete

Carfacemandog wrote: »

The 2016 riots were over in 3 days, while the 2020 riots are on about day 95 by now with far more dead, immeasurably more damage to property, no sign of end in sight, and nothing resolved but only made worse.

It's not Trump's fault the left are out of fcuking control. In Britain many cops were violently attacked also and also because the MSM helped push a false narrative that a man had been killed by racist police and that nobody cared about his life because he was black.

It's a lie and left need to be reigned in, not pandered to, and you can mock criticism of the MSM as much as you like but all along they downplayed the violence and looting, calling protests "firey" as if fires had lit themselves and calling protests peaceful when the police had been attacked. You must think non-leftists are bloody stupid if you think have not noticed how complicit the MSM has been in all this.

Oh I know, they have now started to condemn it but only because focus groups and polls are showing that people are not happy about what has gone on and support the President's consistent stance against these far left loons. Loons that many governors protected when the President offered his help in dealing with.

Outlaw Pete

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

It's not Trump's fault the left are out of fcuking control. In Britain many cops were violently attacked also and also because the MSM helped push a false narrative that a man had been killed by racist police and that nobody cared about his life because he was black.

It's a lie and left need to be reigned in, not pandered to, and you can mock criticism of the MSM as much as you like but all along they downplayed the violence and looting, calling protests "firey" as if fires had lit themselves and calling protests peaceful when the police had been attacked. You must think non-leftists are bloody stupid if you think have not noticed how complicit the MSM has been in all this.

Oh I know, they have now started to condemn it but only because focus groups and polls are showing that people are not happy about what has gone on and support the President's consistent stance against these far left loons. Loons that many governors protected when the President offered his help in dealing with.

Why aren't you answering Overheal's question? You're going on rants but never tend to back up the nonsense you come out with.

namloc1980

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Oh I know, they have now started to condemn it but only because focus groups and polls are showing that people are not happy about what has gone on and support the President's consistent stance against these far left loons.

More lies. Here's Joe Biden condemning the violence is very clear terms back in May at the very start of the George Floyd protests. Even reported on Fox News for good measure. The lies just flow from Trumpists:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-condemns-riots-over-george-floyd-death-calls-for-end-to-needless-destruction

Outlaw Pete

Overheal wrote: »

If they’re rose tinted glasses do you mind supplying evidence to show the Obama era protests were worse?

Have more cops been executed this time?

No, and so there are many metrics in which to judge who's doing the better job dealing with scumbag leftists this time round, be they black supremacists or those just trying to use BLM for their political end. Obama effectively endorsed these people in 2016 and some would argue was responsible for the escalation that saw the police officers murdered. All he did was appease scum at the end of the day, he in no way tried to eradicate them so they wouldn't be a problem down the line, which is what Trump is in the process of doing and hopefully he succeeds.

Leroy42

Pete, your stanch would be taken more seriously if everything wasn't coated in this 'leftist' nonsense. Violence is bad, no matter who does it.

But you are focused solely on the left and the damage they are doing, whilst ignoring the problems that the righ have caused, and continue to cause.

yu are then prepared to allow Trump away with some really serious issues on the basis that it gets back at the left, when in the US it has been , and continues to be, the right that are in charge.

Any problems in the US are therefore the result of the rights policies. Failure to provide healthcare, the widening poverty gap, the state of US cities. Even globalisation is a right wind idealogy that was driven as a means to deliver more profits to shareholders at the expense of the workers. It wasn't the left that drove those policies.

You have allloed yourself to be tricked into blaming the wrong people. Obama was not left wing, neither was Clinton and sure as hell GWB wasn't. So where is all this 'let is to blame for Americas ills' coming from? MSM? Fox news is the most watched new channel for goodness sake!

Carfacemandog

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

It's not Trump's fault the left are out of fcuking control. In Britain many cops were violently attacked also and also because the MSM helped push a false narrative that a man had been killed by racist police and that nobody cared about his life because he was black.

It's a lie and left need to be reigned in, not pandered to, and you can mock criticism of the MSM as much as you like but all along they downplayed the violence and looting, calling protests "firey" as if fires had lit themselves and calling protests peaceful when the police had been attacked. You must think non-leftists are bloody stupid if you think have not noticed how complicit the MSM has been in all this.

Oh I know, they have now started to condemn it but only because focus groups and polls are showing that people are not happy about what has gone on and support the President's consistent stance against these far left loons. Loons that many governors protected when the President offered his help in dealing with.

It is Trump's fault that a sizable chunk of the country he supposedly presides over are enraged with the continued state of the country and are showing it, actually. That is as per Trump, to be clear. No matter how upset this makes you, it is a fact, and to quote Ben Shapiro, facts don't care about your feelings.

Plenty of the protests have been peaceful, others have not. Among factors that have led to violence are people looking for fights among the protesters, people looking for fights among the far right counter-protesters, police who have used force against peaceful protesters and journalists, and Trump himself who has not only been openly promoting violence against his political enemies since as early as 2016 (and he'll pay your legal fees), but even had the clergy gassed during a peaceful protest so he could emerge from his bunker to hold a Bible upside down. You will inevitably get people looking to stoke violence among the public which we have seen from the left and the right here, but the police are paid to uphold the peace between these two, not to instigate violence as they have done on numerous occasions, and the President you would expect to not try to stoke the flames and gas priests, but yet that is what happened.

When you are trying to hold the person who supposedly leads the country to a significantly lower standard than the average angry Joe Militiaman and John Antifaenthusiasts on the street, you know you're f**ked as far a leadership goes. Hence why these riots have continued and got so out of hand compared to anything seen previously in the history of the United States.

dwayneshintzy

Yusef Salaam: 'Trump would have had me hanging from a tree in Central Park'

Overheal

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Have more cops been executed this time?

I don't know about "executions" (quite the emotional epithet) but yes more cops have died during these protests. Or do you think fewer than 8 cops have been killed?

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dwayneshintzy wrote: »

Yusef Salaam: 'Trump would have had me hanging from a tree in Central Park'

His behaviour in relation to that case has been disgusting since the very beginning.

Outlaw Pete

Leroy42 wrote: »

Pete, your stanch would be taken more seriously if everything wasn't coated in this 'leftist' nonsense. Violence is bad, no matter who does it.

lol. Aye, which is why I have been saying that for 15 years on Boards. Do me a bloody favour. It's you lot that look the other when those that carry out violent acts happen to share your political beliefs, it's not the other way around. The Antifa thread was full of Boards' leftists refusing to condemn their violent acts for example. You're just doing what you all always do and that is accuse others of what you are guilty of yourselves.

Everything else you said was absurd and it would be a waste of time addressing it as you simply see Trump as the devil incarnate.

duploelabs

Leroy42

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

lol. Aye, which is why I have been saying that for 15 years on Boards. Do me a bloody favour. It's you lot that look the other when those that carry out violent acts happen to share your political beliefs, it's not the other way around. The Antifa thread was full of Boards' leftists refusing to condemn their violent acts for example. You're just doing what you all always do and that is accuse others of what you are guilty of yourselves.

Everything else you said was absurd and it would be a waste of time addressing it as you simply see Trump as the devil incarnate.

Fair enough, you nailed it in one.

But sure if it makes you happy to ignore reality and convince yourself that the world as not as you would like because your political beliefs continually end up causing more problems than they solve then I'm happy for you.

If you can convince yourself that Trump was the man to vote for in 2016 to change America, and yet America is now in a worse position but that is everyone ele fault that ok.

Getting rid of Obama was supposed to make everything better, but Trump ended up making it worse. That is a tough reality to accept, but I guess the only thing to do is to double down.

It will definitely work this time. If only those leftists would simply get out of the way and let the right have the floor. If only the right controlled the media, the House, the Senate and the WH. If only minorities would just know their place, people would just accept things they way they were instead of looking for equality and rights and freedoms and freedom of speech.

According to Trump the Democrats are do nothing socialists yet somehow they seem, in your head anyway, to be in control of everything. Secrtetly of course and not even Trump has been able to do anything about it.

You know what the US needs after 40+ years of constant right wind politics to make everything better? Thats right, a lurch further to the right. That is bound to sort it all out!

Brussels Sprout

Bit of a difference between the real army and the guys in the militias cosplaying as soldiers.


https://twitter.com/politvidchannel/status/1300452240298180609?s=20

mcmoustache

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

lol. Aye, which is why I have been saying that for 15 years on Boards. Do me a bloody favour. It's you lot that look the other when those that carry out violent acts happen to share your political beliefs, it's not the other way around. The Antifa thread was full of Boards' leftists refusing to condemn their violent acts for example. You're just doing what you all always do and that is accuse others of what you are guilty of yourselves.

Everything else you said was absurd and it would be a waste of time addressing it as you simply see Trump as the devil incarnate.

I'm only aware of a couple of leftists on boards and they don't even post in the Trump threads. There are plenty of conservative minded posters here and some on the left of centre but in your simplistic world view, they must be leftists if they don't drink the coolaid of your great white hope.

namloc1980

mcmoustache wrote: »

I'm only aware of a couple of leftists on boards and they don't even post in the Trump threads. There are plenty of conservative minded posters here and some on the left of centre but in your simplistic world view, they must be leftists if they don't drink the coolaid of your great white hope.

Basically if you criticise the Dear Leader you are a leftie communist Marxist-Leninist. No room for moderation or nuance.