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2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

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    #5282
    dwayneshintzy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,343 ✭✭✭dwayneshintzy


    And "The Dems" didn't bring in anything, it was a ballot measure voted on directly by the people of California.


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    #5283
    Penn
    Registered Users Posts: 33,890 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    da_miser wrote: »
    The Dems brought in a law if the value is less than $950 you wont be arrested, as you can imagine chaos

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/san-francisco-shoplifting-video/

    No they didn't.
    Prop 47, which California voters approved in 2014, reclassified some minor crimes as misdemeanors instead of felonies, with the intent of reducing what was at the time a severely overcrowded prison population. The aim was also to reduce the number of people serving long sentences and ending up with felony-conviction records for petty crimes.

    Prop 47 increased the felony threshold for certain types of theft from $450 to $950 — meaning the simple theft of property valued below $950 is a misdemeanor. It also reduced simple drug possession (possession of drugs without the intent to sell) to a misdemeanor. The claim that Prop 47 is to blame for the incident depicted in the video is representative of misinformation that has been circulating about the law for years, said George Gascón, the former district attorney of San Francisco who is now running for the same position in Los Angeles County and who co-authored Prop 47.

    Although the threshold for misdemeanor-versus-felony theft prior to Prop 47 was $450, it’s unclear whether the new law makes any potential difference in the San Francisco case. In the video, the thieves are seen stuffing drugstore-brand cosmetics into bags. It’s unknown how much the items were worth — SFPD would not give us an estimate.

    “Prop 47 doesn’t cover robberies, theft by the use of force or fear. It doesn’t cover burglaries,” Gascón said. “If you break into a structure with the intent to commit theft or another felony, that continues to be a felony. If someone breaks into your car to steal even a pack of cigarettes, that’s still a felony. Even the crimes that are covered by Prop 47, they were not decriminalized. We moved them from a felony to a misdemeanor. [Perpetrators] can still go to county jail” if they are convicted.

    Are you going to retract your claim?


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    #5284
    extra gravy
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    dwayneshintzy wrote: »
    Prop 47 didn't legalize shoplifting. Prop 47 was also a Californian-wide ballot initiative.

    There are huge problems in SF. Most of them are to due with wealth, with high income earners driving everyone else out. Have you lived in San Francisco?

    Doubt he could pick SF out on a map never mind lived there.


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    #5285
    namloc1980
    Registered Users Posts: 18,314 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    dwayneshintzy wrote: »
    And "The Dems" didn't bring in anything, it was a ballot measure voted on directly by the people of California.

    Trump supporters hate democracy at times.


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    #5286
    da_miser
    Registered Users Posts: 640 ✭✭✭da_miser


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    So they didn't legalize shoplifting so as you claimed?
    The Dems brought in a law if the value is less than $950 you wont be arrested, nowthat sounds like legalised shoplifting to me.
    Sure why not go downtown and rob, if you get caught the police wont arrest you, just send you on your way, nothing to loose by shoplifting, thats what i would call legalised shoplifting, of course the Dem supporters wont see anything wrong with this, and this is precisely why Trump will win in November


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    #5287
    da_miser
    Registered Users Posts: 640 ✭✭✭da_miser


    Penn wrote: »
    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/san-francisco-shoplifting-video/

    No they didn't.



    Are you going to retract your claim?

    Snopes? really?
    The owner left his wife and ran off with a prostitute amongst other unsavoury things


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    #5288
    namloc1980
    Registered Users Posts: 18,314 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Yeah he's gone fully down the rabbit hole now. Ranting and raving over baseless conspiracy theories and making absolutely no sense. I think his handlers need to keep him off the TV and possibly away from the debates at this stage. I mean if he goes this far off-piste in a friendly interview with Laura Ingraham doing her best to keep him on track and make him not sound completely nuts, imagine him in the debates. Planeful of thugs wearing dark uniforms flying into Washington apparently! Kind of sad really.

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    #5289
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,470 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Yeah he's gone fully down the rabbit hole now. Ranting and raving over baseless conspiracy theories and making absolutely no sense. I think his handlers need to keep him off the TV and possibly away from the debates at this stage. I mean if he goes this far off-piste in a friendly interview with Laura Ingraham doing her best to keep him on track and not sound completely nuts, imagine him in the debates. Planeful of thugs wearing dark uniforms flying into Washington apparently! Kind of sad really.

    .

    that is all just a dog whistle for his base. his supporters lap it up. expect it to be repeated ad nauseum by his supporters here.


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    #5290
    namloc1980
    Registered Users Posts: 18,314 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    da_miser wrote: »
    The Dems brought in a law if the value is less than $950 you wont be arrested, nowthat sounds like legalised shoplifting to me.
    Sure why not go downtown and rob, if you get caught the police wont arrest you, just send you on your way, nothing to loose by shoplifting, thats what i would call legalised shoplifting, of course the Dem supporters wont see anything wrong with this, and this is precisely why Trump will win in November

    Are you ignoring the fact that this was voted in at a statewide vote by the electorate? Yes of course you are. And it wasn't legalised - it's still a misdemeanor. Look just admit you were totally wrong that it was legalised and we can move on.


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    #5291
    dwayneshintzy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,343 ✭✭✭dwayneshintzy


    da_miser wrote: »
    Snopes? really?
    The owner left his wife and ran off with a prostitute amongst other unsavoury things
    What are you on about?


    Proposition 47 was a ballot initiative passed by a significant majority of California voters. Newt Gingrich was a supporter of this, and he's most definitely not a Democrat. It was California wide and not just in effect in San Francisco. It changed non-violent theft of under $950 to a misdemeanor and not a felony, not at all what you claimed.


    You're chatting total nonsense, basically.


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    #5292
    Penn
    Registered Users Posts: 33,890 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    da_miser wrote: »
    Snopes? really?
    The owner left his wife and ran off with a prostitute amongst other unsavoury things

    Let me tell you a story of a man named Donald Trump...

    Regardless, you were wrong. Are you going to retract your claim?


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    #5293
    WrenBoy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I know, Trump has an unfortunate tendency to bully and behave in a purile way. Great to see a Trump supporter acknowledging it.

    Wouldn't characterise myself as a Trump supporter just like pushing back against the one way traffic, but whatever... hey C'mon Fat, look Fat, you’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier and your too old to vote for him anyway but if you cant figure out whether your voting Joe or Trump, you ain't black !

    Awful talk from aul Joey isnt it !?


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    #5294
    da_miser
    Registered Users Posts: 640 ✭✭✭da_miser


    3 minutes of video that will show to even the most rabid sufferer of TDS why Trump will win in November, if you dont agree i would like to read the reason why you think Biden and the Dems will win, these Dem run cities are a preview of what the county would look like with a Dem in the white house, who in their right mind would vote for that?



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    #5295
    dwayneshintzy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,343 ✭✭✭dwayneshintzy


    da_miser; have you ever in your life been to California?


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    #5296
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,470 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    da_miser wrote: »
    3 minutes of video that will show to even the most rabid sufferer of TDS why Trump will win in November, if you dont agree i would like to read the reason why you think Biden and the Dems will win, these Dem run cities are a preview of what the county would look like with a Dem in the white house, who in their right mind would vote for that?


    FAKE NEWS!!


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    #5297
    extra gravy
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    WrenBoy wrote: »
    Wouldn't characterise myself as a Trump supporter just like pushing back against the one way traffic, but whatever... hey C'mon Fat, look Fat, you’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier and your too old to vote for him anyway but if you cant figure out whether your voting Joe or Trump, you ain't black !

    Awful talk from aul Joey isnt it !?

    What? It's a bit early to be drunk.


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    #5298
    Tell me how
    Registered Users Posts: 21,749 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    da_miser wrote: »
    3 minutes of video that will show to even the most rabid sufferer of TDS why Trump will win in November, if you dont agree i would like to read the reason why you think Biden and the Dems will win, these Dem run cities are a preview of what the county would look like with a Dem in the white house, who in their right mind would vote for that?

    I think you'll find such sufferers are hoping for that outcome.

    Case in point.

    gyuk-.jpg


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    #5299
    WrenBoy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    extra gravy wrote: »
    What? It's a bit early to be drunk.

    Those are all Joe Biden lines which go against this mad idea he isn't rude to people also.


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    #5300
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    Do CNN or any media outlet ever ask Biden questions ?


    What I have seen is his handlers quickly take grandpa off the stage as soon as he delivers his bumbling jibbering speech ...


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    #5301
    namloc1980
    Registered Users Posts: 18,314 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    Do CNN or any media outlet ever ask Biden questions ?


    What I have seen is his handlers quickly take grandpa off the stage as soon as he delivers his bumbling jibbering speech ...

    The Trump campaign should try that - he made an absolute show of himself on friendly Fox last night. Is calling him grandpa meant to be disparaging or something? Trump is a grandparent. What relevance is it bringing up about Biden??

    Here's a recent Biden interview - you could have easily found this and others by doing a quick search. Wonder why you didn't? Be prepared to be disappointed - no baseless ranting and conspiracies about dark shadows and uniformed thugs on planes etc

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHMVmuRnaik


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    #5302
    Penn
    Registered Users Posts: 33,890 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    da_miser wrote: »
    3 minutes of video that will show to even the most rabid sufferer of TDS why Trump will win in November, if you dont agree i would like to read the reason why you think Biden and the Dems will win, these Dem run cities are a preview of what the county would look like with a Dem in the white house, who in their right mind would vote for that?

    So you're not going to retract your claim that Dems have legalised shoplifting up to $950 even though it's been proven wrong.

    So why should anyone take anything you say seriously when you're clearly either susceptible to actual fake news or wilfully propagating it?


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    #5303
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,603 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    da_miser wrote: »
    Snopes? really?
    The owner left his wife and ran off with a prostitute amongst other unsavoury things

    Is banging a prostitute a bad thing now? I have some bad news for you about your fake tanned hero so.


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    #5304
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,603 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    da_miser wrote: »
    The Dems brought in a law if the value is less than $950 you wont be arrested, nowthat sounds like legalised shoplifting to me.
    Sure why not go downtown and rob, if you get caught the police wont arrest you, just send you on your way, nothing to loose by shoplifting, thats what i would call legalised shoplifting, of course the Dem supporters wont see anything wrong with this, and this is precisely why Trump will win in November

    Thats a blatant lie.


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    #5305
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    Penn wrote: »
    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/san-francisco-shoplifting-video/

    No they didn't.



    Are you going to retract your claim?


    Why do Trump supporters keep posting things that are untrue?


    It reminds me of those fake news creators from the US who were trying to target liberals and conservatives for "engagements" back in 2015/2016. They gave up targeting liberals because whenever a fake story was posted to their groups, someone in the comments would point out that the story wasn't true. That wasn't the case with conservatives who would go on to spread the fake story regardless.


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    #5306
    randd1
    Registered Users Posts: 1,945 ✭✭✭randd1


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Trump supporters hate democracy at times.

    Hey, go easy on them, a lot of them love democracy so long as their guy gets an advantage like voter suppression. After all, a Trumpian's gotta Trump*.

    * A trump is also another name for a fart. Seems apt given what shi*e Trump or so many Trumpians come out with.


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    #5307
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    Do CNN or any media outlet ever ask Biden questions ?


    What I have seen is his handlers quickly take grandpa off the stage as soon as he delivers his bumbling jibbering speech ...


    Yes. ABC News interviewed him last week.


    Why do Trump supporters keep asking stupid questions when a quick google would save them from looking silly.


    It's like asking "I wonder if anyone ever went to the moon?". It reflects poorly on the person asking the question.


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    #5308
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Thats a blatant lie.


    It doesn't matter to him. He will continue to repeat it anyway because that's how it is with your mind on Trump. They're all at it - making stuff up, spreading fake stories and so on and when they're corrected on it, they continue with the lying and spreading of lies.



    They don't see anything wrong with that and to be fair to them, they're not really trying to convince others as much as they're trying to convince themselves that they didn't get suckered. It's not easy to realise you've been suckered, especially in the presence of facts showing as much. It's much easier to convince yourself that you were right all along by accepting alternative facts.


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    #5309
    Gerry Hatrick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 552 ✭✭✭Gerry Hatrick


    1800_Ladladlad wrote: »
    Was this a concerned Biden supporter?

    https://twitter.com/KarluskaP/status/1300533968404611077

    Bidens supporters here....

    https://twitter.com/KarluskaP/status/1300499227961851906

    Pure gold. :D


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    #5310
    Gerry Hatrick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 552 ✭✭✭Gerry Hatrick


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    Do CNN or any media outlet ever ask Biden questions ?


    What I have seen is his handlers quickly take grandpa off the stage as soon as he delivers his bumbling jibbering speech ...

    CNN might or some z list rapper but the Democrats are hiding Joe away from real scrutiny for good reason. He made a complete shambles of attempting to read a teleprompter yesterday god knows how he's going to cope in a debate.

    The democrats need to desperately look at replacing him sooner rather than later.


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    #5311
    [Deleted User]
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    Gerry Hatrick wrote: »
    CNN might or some z list rapper but the Democrats are hiding Joe away from real scrutiny for good reason. He made a complete shambles of attempting to read a teleprompter yesterday god knows how he's going to cope in a debate.

    The democrats need to desperately look at replacing him sooner rather than later.

    We have a pretty good idea since he performed well in debates earlier in the year....


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