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2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

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    #5462
    LessOutragePlz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    Igotadose wrote: »
    Law enforcement charged Rittenhouse with a crime. So, does the #IMPOTUS support law enforcement?

    Should the president come out in support of every single crime that is being prosecuted in America?


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    #5463
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 22,017 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    Should the president come out in support of every single crime that is being prosecuted in America?
    I imagine that's what the left want, once the burning looting mob are not being prosecuted for their crimes.


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    #5464
    LessOutragePlz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    how do you know that? on what basis are you claiming that?

    Because he was in Kenosha to work not to cause trouble.

    Have you got any evidence to prove otherwise?


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    #5465
    Hande hoche!
    Registered Users Posts: 7,762 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    Igotadose wrote: »
    Law enforcement charged Rittenhouse with a crime. So, does the #IMPOTUS support law enforcement?

    The timing of that Trump supported being shot will blunt the impact of Rittenhouse.


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    #5466
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,668 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    He you even read anything about what happened?

    He didn't bring the gun with him he got it from a friend that was living in Kenosha. As a local business asked for help to defend his business so him and his friend offered their help.

    He brought a gun into the situation didn't he? Exactly where he got it from is for another investigation.

    A local business specifically reached out to this kid to come and protect their property? Are you sure, or is it that a general plea went out and this guy saw that as an opportunity to carry out his vigilantism?

    But he, knowingly, put himself in the frame and brought a loaded gun with him. Therefore he was going there with the intention of shooting, if he needed to. Premeditated.


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    #5467
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,470 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    Because he was in Kenosha to work not to cause trouble.

    Have you got any evidence to prove otherwise?

    he traveled to a different state with a firearm. a firearm he was not allowed to possess. what work was he doing that required a firearm? why did he attend a protest with a firearm? he had no business being there. he was a 17 year old cop fantasist itching to own the libs. and he will spend the rest of his life in prison as a result.


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    #5468
    Carfacemandog
    Registered Users Posts: 2,042 ✭✭✭Carfacemandog


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    "Lock her up" "Lock her up". And Hillary was never even charged with anything!!

    He has a lot to say about alleged rioters arriving in planes when a. they haven't been charged either and b. don't even exist! But not a peep about a guy charged with intentional homicide. Clearly he's undermining law enforcement in that case.
    Laws and law enforcement mean little to Trump and his supporters beyond being something to virtue signal their loyalties over. Their deafening silence on Trump meekly allowing Russia to order the death of US troops (which has seen military support shift away from Trump and to Biden) is another example of this.

    Their adament defense of Rittenhouse, who also likes to best up girls, killing two people for which he has been charged for murder is just the latest in a long, long line of clear and intentional hypocrisies on their end. Using the logic they did for George Floyd, Rittenhouse would have deserved to be killed there and then with no need for sympathy. Instead, because he subscribes to the same cult as them, they are feigning offense at any such suggestion and demanding a fair trial with no public opinions given until its conclusion.

    And before one of them chimes in with their highly predictable response - both Rittenhouse and Floyd deserved trial, even though both are in video committing their crimes. One for using a fake $20 bill, the other for killing two people in the streets and shooting a third. But not by the standards of the cult of Trump. For them all that matters is whose side the person is on, which means more than the application of the rule of law or any civil rights like that of a fair trial.

    It's all very telling of the world they want to live in.


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    #5469
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,668 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    Because he was in Kenosha to work not to cause trouble.

    Have you got any evidence to prove otherwise?

    To work? Jebus, you have totally lost it?

    Whi hired him for this 'work'. What were his responsibilities, who did he answer to? If he was working for someone, who was it and are they then not ultimately responsible to the killings and of course for his legal issues?


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    #5470
    gmisk
    Registered Users Posts: 33,177 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    Because he was in Kenosha to work not to cause trouble.

    Have you got any evidence to prove otherwise?
    To work....what was his job exactly? And did it involve being underage carrying an assault rifle...does he need it to lifeguard?


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    #5471
    Penn
    Registered Users Posts: 33,887 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    He brought a gun into the situation didn't he? Exactly where he got it from is for another investigation.

    A local business specifically reached out to this kid to come and protect their property? Are you sure, or is it that a general plea went out and this guy saw that as an opportunity to carry out his vigilantism?

    But he, knowingly, put himself in the frame and brought a loaded gun with him. Therefore he was going there with the intention of shooting, if he needed to. Premeditated.

    Plus as stated, it was illegal for him to carry a gun outside. He was breaking the law. He did not have a permit and was underage.

    He was breaking the law. And that was before he shot and killed two people.


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    #5472
    Carfacemandog
    Registered Users Posts: 2,042 ✭✭✭Carfacemandog


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    Because he was in Kenosha to work not to cause trouble.

    Have you got any evidence to prove otherwise?

    Who was his employer? It's the first I'm hearing of this.


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    #5473
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,668 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    It is all very odd when compared to th shooting of Blake. The excuse is that there might have been a knife in the car and as such the officer was right to shoot him, in the back, 7 times.

    Compare this to a white dude walking along with a gun and the cops did nothing at all.


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    #5474
    namloc1980
    Registered Users Posts: 18,313 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Penn wrote: »
    Plus as stated, it was illegal for him to carry a gun outside. He was breaking the law. He did not have a permit and was underage.

    He was breaking the law. And that was before he shot and killed two people.

    Plus he's been charged with intentional homicide. But Trump and his supporters only selectively believe in law and order.


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    #5475
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,470 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    It is all very odd when compared to th shooting of Blake. The excuse is that there might have been a knife in the car and as such the officer was right to shoot him, in the back, 7 times.

    Compare this to a white dude walking along with a gun and the cops did nothing at all.

    i wonder what the difference between the two people might have been.


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    #5476
    randd1
    Registered Users Posts: 1,943 ✭✭✭randd1


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    It is all very odd when compared to th shooting of Blake. The excuse is that there might have been a knife in the car and as such the officer was right to shoot him, in the back, 7 times.

    Compare this to a white dude walking along with a gun and the cops did nothing at all.

    It's almost as if skin colour was a determining factor in the level of restraint of the response of the police.


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    #5477
    LessOutragePlz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    To work? Jebus, you have totally lost it?

    Whi hired him for this 'work'. What were his responsibilities, who did he answer to? If he was working for someone, who was it and are they then not ultimately responsible to the killings and of course for his legal issues?

    He was working as a community lifeguard in Kenosha before he went to assist a local business owner in protecting his business that's why he was in Kenosha that day.


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    #5478
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    Re. Uniformed rioters arriving on planes. I have no evidence that it is true but its not the first time I have heard that.


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    #5479
    LessOutragePlz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    Carfacemandog wrote: »
    Who was his employer? It's the first I'm hearing of this.

    He was working as a community lifeguard.

    "After Kyle finished his work that day as a community lifeguard in Kenosha, he wanted to help clean up some of the damage, so he and a friend went to the local public high school to remove graffiti by rioters. Later in the day, they received information about a call for help from a local business owner, whose downtown Kenosha auto dealership was largely destroyed by mob violence. The business owner needed help to protect what he had left of his life’s work, including two nearby mechanic’s shops. Kyle and a friend armed themselves with rifles due to the deadly violence gripping Kenosha and many other American cities, and headed to the business premises. The weapons were in Wisconsin and never crossed state lines."

    https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/kyle-rittenhouses-lawyers-release-statement/amp/?taid=5f4bf7e546b85b0001c04acf&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&__twitter_impression=true


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    #5480
    francois
    Registered Users Posts: 3,480 ✭✭✭francois


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Re. Uniformed rioters arriving on planes. I have no evidence that it is true but its not the first time I have heard that.

    Classic example of the argumentum ad ignorantiam logical fallacy


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    #5481
    LessOutragePlz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    gmisk wrote: »
    To work....what was his job exactly? And did it involve being underage carrying an assault rifle...does he need it to lifeguard?

    The rifle was his firends so he didn't bring it to work with him.


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    #5482
    gmisk
    Registered Users Posts: 33,177 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Re. Uniformed rioters arriving on planes. I have no evidence that it is true but its not the first time I have heard that.
    Because Donald Trump spouted the same rubbish with zero evidence?


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    #5483
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,668 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    He was working as a community lifeguard in Kenosha before he went to assist a local business owner in protecting his business that's why he was in Kenosha that day.

    So a community lifeguards job is to handle firearms and protect local businesses? Really?

    So, it appears that he left his actual job to 'work' on something else, which would imply a different job.

    So again, who hired him? Who is he reporting too? What were his responsibilities? Was he considered part of the police force at the time, or a private security firm or was he acting as a militia?


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    #5484
    namloc1980
    Registered Users Posts: 18,313 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Re. Uniformed rioters arriving on planes. I have no evidence that it is true but its not the first time I have heard that.

    Bit of a concern that Homeland Security and the TSA are allowing uniformed domestic terrorists fly into the nation's capital with "gear" per Trump? Doesn't say much for the law and order president.

    BTW: it's a lie. It's ok to admit Donald just made it up or is repeating a conspiracy theory.


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    #5485
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,668 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    The rifle was his firends so he didn't bring it to work with him.

    Hold on, he did, you are claiming that he was working.

    Which is it?


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    #5486
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,470 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    He was working as a community lifeguard.

    "After Kyle finished his work that day as a community lifeguard in Kenosha, he wanted to help clean up some of the damage, so he and a friend went to the local public high school to remove graffiti by rioters. Later in the day, they received information about a call for help from a local business owner, whose downtown Kenosha auto dealership was largely destroyed by mob violence. The business owner needed help to protect what he had left of his life’s work, including two nearby mechanic’s shops. Kyle and a friend armed themselves with rifles due to the deadly violence gripping Kenosha and many other American cities, and headed to the business premises. The weapons were in Wisconsin and never crossed state lines."

    https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/kyle-rittenhouses-lawyers-release-statement/amp/?taid=5f4bf7e546b85b0001c04acf&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&__twitter_impression=true

    did the business owner specifically ask kyle and his friend to protect their business or did Kyle decide to show up to fulfill his cop fantasy? who gave rifles to a 17 year old? how far away from the business did the murders take place?


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    #5487
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,668 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Bit of a concern that Homeland Security and the TSA are allowing uniformed domestic terrorists fly into the nation's capital with "gear" per Trump? Doesn't say much for the law and order president.

    BTW: it's a lie. It's ok to admit Donald just made it up or is repeating a conspiracy theory.

    To be fair to them, they were not only flying into Washington but on the same flight, at the same time they were also flying out of Washington.

    Pretty hard to deal with that level of special powers


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    #5488
    LessOutragePlz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    So a community lifeguards job is to handle firearms and protect local businesses? Really?

    So, it appears that he left his actual job to 'work' on something else, which would imply a different job.

    So again, who hired him? Who is he reporting too? What were his responsibilities? Was he considered part of the police force at the time, or a private security firm or was he acting as a militia?

    What are you on about no one hired him to do anything?

    A local business asked people for help and he and friend answered his call for help.

    You can't defend a business from a violent mob without a weapon so they brought guns.

    What would you expect them to do?

    Politely ask the violent mob to stop being violent? :rolleyes:


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    #5489
    gmisk
    Registered Users Posts: 33,177 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    The rifle was his firends so he didn't bring it to work with him.
    Do you have a link to that? I haven't seen that mentioned anywhere.
    He was still underage....carrying an assault rifle..which wasn't clearly licensed to him either....so it is still illegal.

    It also wasn't "work" no matter what way you spin it. He was a 17yo illegally carrying an assault rifle playing army basically, he boosted earlier about having a med kit....he should have stuck to sitting at home playing call of duty.


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    #5490
    salmocab
    Registered Users Posts: 11,366 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    What are you on about no one hired him to do anything?

    A local business asked people for help and he and friend answered his call for help.

    You can't defend a business from a violent mob without a weapon so they brought guns.

    What would you expect them to do?

    Politely ask the violent mob to stop being violent? :rolleyes:

    Most normal people wouldn’t expect children to arm themselves


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    #5491
    LessOutragePlz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    did the business owner specifically ask kyle and his friend to protect their business or did Kyle decide to show up to fulfill his cop fantasy? who gave rifles to a 17 year old? how far away from the business did the murders take place?

    The business owner put out a call for help and they answered his call.

    His friend gave him the rifle.

    I wasn't at the crime scene so how could I possibly know the answer to he last question?


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