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2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

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    #5702
    Hoop66
    Registered Users Posts: 2,389 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    1800_Ladladlad wrote: »
    When Trump visits Kenosha: "Selfish inflammatory political stunt !!"

    Biden visits Kenosha: Bringing America together to heal as a conduit of light.


    It's good he'll have his carers handlers people with him

    What did Trump do when he got there?

    Demanded a photo op with the owner of a destroyed business
    Was refused
    Does a photo op anyway with someone who is not the owner, but claims that they are the owner.

    Selfish. Inflammatory. Political stunt.


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    #5703
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,470 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    Complete lies fabricated by the MSM.

    He had been using that movement well before he "mocked" the disabled report to show when people had difficulty answering questions that were put to them.


    6 year olds in playgrounds know what that means. the fact that trump used it before doesn't change what it means.


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    #5704
    LessOutragePlz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    duploelabs wrote: »
    When will Trump release his, why is he constantly blocking the releas? What has he got to hide?

    https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1301316478889680897?s=19

    Why does he need to release them?


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    #5705
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,470 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    Why does he need to release them?

    what is he afraid of? an honest man would have released them. in fact, an honest man did.


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    #5706
    LessOutragePlz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    6 year olds in playgrounds know what that means. the fact that trump used it before doesn't change what it means.

    This is the problem, a certain group are going to think it means one thing and the other is going to think that their was no ill will intended so it's harmless.

    Both are based on their own opinions so neither interpretation is right or wrong.


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    #5707
    LessOutragePlz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    what is he afraid of? an honest man would have released them. in fact, an honest man did.

    Why should he be afraid of anything?

    Again why does he need to release them?


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    #5708
    namloc1980
    Registered Users Posts: 18,313 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    Complete lies fabricated by the MSM.

    He had been using that movement well before he "mocked" the disabled report to show when people had difficulty answering questions that were put to them.


    Nonsense. Before he mocked the disabled reporter he clearly said: "...written by a nice reporter, now the poor guy you gotta see this guy..."

    Why would he say that "now the poor guy you gotta see this guy" if not to draw attention to what he looks like - which is that he is obviously disabled. Why say the poor guy? If he's lying about Trump why would he have sympathy for him other than he's disabled? It's disgusting to suggest that he wasn't mocking the disabled reporter.


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    #5709
    duploelabs
    Registered Users Posts: 11,461 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    Why should he be afraid of anything?

    Again why does he need to release them?

    Well if he's not afraid, why should he continue to hide them? What's he hiding?


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    #5710
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,375 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    Why should he be afraid of anything?

    Again why does he need to release them?

    To prove that he isn't up to his neck in debt and that his business aren't failing. We already know he's maximising bankruptcy laws like the little rat that he is. The very least he could do as a decent citizen and POTUS is to come clean. But, no. He's a rat.


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    #5711
    weisses
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    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    This is the problem, a certain group are going to think it means one thing and the other is going to think that their was no ill will intended so it's harmless.

    Both are based on their own opinions so neither interpretation is right or wrong.

    Aaannnd the mental gymnastics continue


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    #5712
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,470 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    This is the problem, a certain group are going to think it means one thing and the other is going to think that their was no ill will intended so it's harmless.

    Both are based on their own opinions so neither interpretation is right or wrong.

    the only people who think it is innocent are either

    1) an idiot
    or
    2)those deep into a cult
    or
    3) those two young to remember when that was common.

    trump is old enough to remember when that was a common shorthand for "retard". which group are you in?


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    #5713
    namloc1980
    Registered Users Posts: 18,313 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    duploelabs wrote: »
    Well if he's not afraid, why should he continue to hide them? What's he hiding?

    I'd bet the tax returns will show things he want to hide like: large indebtedness to Russian and other foreign banks, inflated asset valuations and perhaps worst of all - that he actually isn't as rich as he claims he is (that would be the ultimate blow to his very fragile ego).


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    #5714
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,470 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    Why should he be afraid of anything?

    Again why does he need to release them?

    afraid of being convicted of bank fraud i imagine. he has been telling one thing to his bankers for years and another to the IRS. you know he is being investigated for bank fraud, right? that he is fighting tooth and nail to keep all of this financials a secret.


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    #5715
    Penn
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    Not to mention that he promised to release his tax returns. So by not doing it (and going to extreme lengths to ensure they never see the light of day), he's a liar.


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    #5716
    PropJoe10
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    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    Why should he be afraid of anything?

    Again why does he need to release them?

    To prove that he's not under financial obligation to other countries. Pretty simple and straightforward, I would say.


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    #5717
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    duploelabs wrote: »
    When will Trump release his, why is he constantly blocking the releas? What has he got to hide?

    https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1301316478889680897?s=19

    The only people who actually care about his tax returns were diehard dem voters anyway. The tax return thing doesn't bother floating voters or republicans anyway, America is a country that was built on avoiding taxes, its one of the most patriotic things you can do there. Not releasing the returns makes everyone think theres something in there which makes middle and upper America only resonate with him.


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    #5718
    Outlaw Pete
    Registered Users Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Nonsense. Before he mocked the disabled reporter he clearly said: "...written by a nice reporter, now the poor guy you gotta see this guy..."

    Why would he say that "now the poor guy you gotta see this guy" if not to draw attention to what he looks like - which is that he is obviously disabled. Why say the poor guy? If he's lying about Trump why would he have sympathy for him other than he's disabled? It's disgusting to suggest that he wasn't mocking the disabled reporter.

    Because he was on TV denying something he had done. You're wrong. You know you are.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdhCvx86fxg


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    #5719
    namloc1980
    Registered Users Posts: 18,313 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    The only people who actually care about his tax returns were diehard dem voters anyway. The tax return thing doesn't bother floating voters or republicans anyway, America is a country that was built on avoiding taxes, its one of the most patriotic things you can do there. Not releasing the returns makes everyone think theres something in there which makes middle and upper America only resonate with him.

    So you think a guy who made a promise to provide his tax returns but has since reneged on that promise somehow resonates with voters. That American voters enjoy being lied to. Incredible mental gymnastics on display this morning.


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    #5720
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    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    Why should he be afraid of anything?

    Again why does he need to release them?

    To show his finances aren't going to dictate how he behaves as President. To show that financial issues can't be exploited to influence him. It's not as if something is being demanded of him that previous candidates haven't had to disclose. He's the guy who demanded for the birth cert of a president which was ridiculous.
    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    The only people who actually care about his tax returns were diehard dem voters anyway. The tax return thing doesn't bother floating voters or republicans anyway, America is a country that was built on avoiding taxes, its one of the most patriotic things you can do there. Not releasing the returns makes everyone think theres something in there which makes middle and upper America only resonate with him.

    Weirdly the American public tends to trust Biden far more than Trump on majority of issues. So I imagine Trump's behaviour on everything has factored into that.


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    #5721
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,656 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    Complete lies fabricated by the MSM.

    He had been using that movement well before he "mocked" the disabled report to show when people had difficulty answering questions that were put to them.


    Ah , that's ok so - He just acts "Handicapped" to mock people because he thinks a handicap is something to mock.

    So he wasn't mocking that specific disabled journalists , just all disabled people in general.

    Lovely.


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    #5722
    Penn
    Registered Users Posts: 33,887 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Joe Biden stutters sometimes
    "Worst possible candidate, probably has dementia, will ruin the country"

    Donald Trump cheats on his taxes
    "Patriot"


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    #5723
    namloc1980
    Registered Users Posts: 18,313 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    Because he was on TV denying something he had done. You're wrong. You know you are.

    I'll ask again as you are ignoring the question. Why would he say that "written by a nice reporter, now the poor guy you gotta see this guy" if not to draw attention to what he looks like - which is that the guy is obviously disabled. Why say the poor guy? BTW: I know you are fully invested in the Trump cult so you can't disagree with the Leader, so I fully expect another obfuscation.


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    #5724
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,470 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    The only people who actually care about his tax returns were diehard dem voters anyway. The tax return thing doesn't bother floating voters or republicans anyway, America is a country that was built on avoiding taxes, its one of the most patriotic things you can do there. Not releasing the returns makes everyone think theres something in there which makes middle and upper America only resonate with him.

    i'm sure the banks he has lied to over the years are very interested. as are several district attorneys. the man is up to his neck in bank fraud.


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    #5725
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    So you think a guy who made a promise to provide his tax returns but has since reneged on that promise somehow resonates with voters. That American voters enjoys being lied to. Incredible mental gymnastics on display this morning.

    Nobody cared. Sure FF here had to bring in that rule about presenting a tax clearance cert before being put forward for election after Bertie, Mccreevy and Haughey were all found to be taking envelopes etc.. We haven't had slick talent like them since. I wouldn't trust a politician who wasn't trying to dodge taxes to actually cut them.


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    #5726
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,668 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    The only people who actually care about his tax returns were diehard dem voters anyway. The tax return thing doesn't bother floating voters or republicans anyway, America is a country that was built on avoiding taxes, its one of the most patriotic things you can do there. Not releasing the returns makes everyone think theres something in there which makes middle and upper America only resonate with him.

    It obviously was not built on not paying taxes, that is absurd. Who pays for the military for example. The police force, the first responders, the VA?

    Trump claims to love all these things, and his supporters cheer and wave their flags, but at the same time are proud of people that go out of their way to avoid helping to fund them?

    So defunding the police is terrible, but refusing to pay for them is patriotic?

    but at the end of the day, whether you agree with providing tax returns or not, Trump stated, numerous times, that he would provide them.

    He has failed to do it, even going to court to try to have them stopped from being released.

    So Trump clearly thinks it is perfectly fine to release them. You disagree with Trump on this one I'm afriad.


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    #5727
    Igotadose
    Registered Users Posts: 13,612 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Biden2020 raises record $364.5 million in August, shattering 2008 record of $200 million.

    https://www.npr.org/2020/09/02/908773287/biden-democrats-shatter-fundraising-record-with-364-5-million-in-august

    No data yet from the #IMPOTUS campaign.


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    #5728
    duploelabs
    Registered Users Posts: 11,461 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    The only people who actually care about his tax returns were diehard dem voters anyway. The tax return thing doesn't bother floating voters or republicans anyway, America is a country that was built on avoiding taxes, its one of the most patriotic things you can do there. Not releasing the returns makes everyone think theres something in there which makes middle and upper America only resonate with him.

    Any person in a position of judicial authority is subject to rigorous auditing to ascertain if they are susceptible to blackmail or coercement, see Line of Duty or virtually any other well researched police drama of this nature. Funny that there's no clarity and plenty of obfuscation of the part of trump, now I wonder why that could be...


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    #5729
    LessOutragePlz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    duploelabs wrote: »
    Well if he's not afraid, why should he continue to hide them? What's he hiding?

    He's not hiding anything he's under no obligation to release them.


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    #5730
    LessOutragePlz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    the only people who think it is innocent are either

    1) an idiot
    or
    2)those deep into a cult
    or
    3) those two young to remember when that was common.

    trump is old enough to remember when that was a common shorthand for "retard". which group are you in?

    I guess I'm an idiot so, because there's absolutely nothing wrong with what he did IMO.


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    #5731
    LessOutragePlz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    afraid of being convicted of bank fraud i imagine. he has been telling one thing to his bankers for years and another to the IRS. you know he is being investigated for bank fraud, right? that he is fighting tooth and nail to keep all of this financials a secret.

    There's been so many investigations since the Russian collusion hoax it's hard to keep track of them all. So an investigation means absolutely nothing.


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