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2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

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    #5732
    namloc1980
    Registered Users Posts: 18,313 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    Nobody cared. Sure FF here had to bring in that rule about presenting a tax clearance cert before being put forward for election after Bertie, Mccreevy and Haughey were all found to be taking envelopes etc.. We haven't had slick talent like them since. I wouldn't trust a politician who wasn't trying to dodge taxes to actually cut them.

    Two thirds of people care.

    https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN24G14N?__twitter_impression=true


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    #5733
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    Forgive my ignorance but... if he had done anything illigal re. taxes would the IRS know about it?


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    #5734
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,656 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    He's not hiding anything he's under no obligation to release them.

    People want to see his tax returns to prove that he's not making policy decisions that financially benefit him.

    Trump - I'm under no obligation to release my tax returns , it's nobodies business and nobody cares anyway.

    Also Trump - Obama must release his birth cert to prove he's American , he can't be President if he doesn't do this , the American people have a right to know about their President so they can trust him.


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    #5735
    Igotadose
    Registered Users Posts: 13,612 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Forgive my ignorance but... if he had done anything illigal re. taxes would the IRS know about it?

    Lets go through an example. Let's say Trump owes Alfabank, a Russian government front, $1bn in a loan. The loan might've been legitimate at the time it was taken out. This loan required repayments and Trump perhaps claims interest deduction on his taxes (hand waving here - assume a transaction with a Russian owned organization is mentioned on his taxes, or his business's taxes.)

    Nothing illegal, IRS might notice this, the audit largely looks for whether the filer is correctly following IRS regulations.

    Now, nothing illegal here but should the POTUS owe $1bn to a Russian-owned bank, whose overall purpose is to earn money, for Russia?


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    #5736
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Igotadose wrote: »
    Lets go through an example. Let's say Trump owes Alfabank, a Russian government front, $1bn in a loan. The loan might've been legitimate at the time it was taken out. This loan required repayments and Trump perhaps claims interest deduction on his taxes (hand waving here - assume a transaction with a Russian owned organization is mentioned on his taxes, or his business's taxes.)

    Nothing illegal, IRS might notice this, the audit largely looks for whether the filer is correctly following IRS regulations.

    Now, nothing illegal here but should the POTUS owe $1bn to a Russian-owned bank, whose overall purpose is to earn money, for Russia?

    what a funny hypothetical scenario you've picked there, not trying to imply anything at all..


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    #5737
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,656 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Forgive my ignorance but... if he had done anything illigal re. taxes would the IRS know about it?

    It's highly unlikely that he has "fiddled his taxes" - As you say , the IRS would likely have found it.

    However , for example , there is evidence that what he does is provide a true value for his assets to the IRS , but then grossly over-values them for the purpose of Insurance claims or securing loans with Banks , Business partners etc.

    That is illegal.

    NY has just opened another case for this specific activity relating to Property in upstate New York.

    There's also the far more likely "concern" on the Trump side , that his tax returns will show that he isn't a billionaire and never has been and that he really isn't very good at business.

    Remember , from the little tax information we have , he posted the single largest loss from an individual tax payer across multiple years.


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    #5738
    [Deleted User]
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    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    what a funny hypothetical scenario you've picked there, not trying to imply anything at all..

    Sure, releasing his taxes would clear everything but he appears to be actively afraid of them coming out before the election.


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    #5739
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,470 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    what a funny hypothetical scenario you've picked there, not trying to imply anything at all..

    it is not a hypothetical. trump has been borrowing from russian banks for years because american banks refuse to lend him any more money


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    #5740
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,857 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Someone with a lifelong stutter gets stuck on words and then readjusts and moves on. No depths the Trumpists won't go to.

    Look, leaving the dementia debate aside.

    Joe is significantly poorer in his communication than the latter years of the Obama Presidency.


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    #5741
    duploelabs
    Registered Users Posts: 11,461 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    what a funny hypothetical scenario you've picked there, not trying to imply anything at all..

    All those funny little coincidences


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    #5742
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,470 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Danzy wrote: »
    Look, leaving the dementia debate aside.

    Joe is significantly poorer in his communication than the latter years of the Obama Presidency.

    and yet he is still better than trump. at least biden doesnt get distracted by insects and go off on tangents about sharks.


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    #5743
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,602 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Sure, releasing his taxes would clear everything but he appears to be actively afraid of them coming out before the election.

    Taxes

    SAT scores

    College exam results

    For someone with nothing to hide he sure does go to a lot of trouble to keep things out of the public eye.


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    #5744
    Penn
    Registered Users Posts: 33,887 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    The funny thing is, everyone on this thread knows without question what would have happened if Biden (or even Hilary 2016) refused to release their tax returns.


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    #5745
    LessOutragePlz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    Certain people People want to see his tax returns to prove that he's not making policy decisions that financially benefit him.

    Trump - I'm under no obligation to release my tax returns , it's nobodies business and nobody cares anyway.

    Also Trump - Obama must release his birth cert to prove he's American , he can't be President if he doesn't do this , the American people have a right to know about their President so they can trust him.

    Not everyone wants to see them since some people don't care about them as long as he keeps his promise of Making America Great Again.

    He didn't really believe that Obama wasn't an American citizen he was just showing us how easy it is to manipulate the media and get them talking about a story that he created.


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    #5746
    [Deleted User]
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    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    Not everyone wants to see them since some people don't care about them as long as he keeps his promise of Making America Great Again.

    He didn't really believe that Obama wasn't an American citizen he was just showing us how easy it is to manipulate the media and get them talking about a story that he created.

    Explaining Trump's behaviour after the fact as some sort of clever analysis of society.... Do you really believe that?


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    #5747
    salmocab
    Registered Users Posts: 11,366 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »

    He didn't really believe that Obama wasn't an American citizen he was just showing us how easy it is to manipulate the media and get them talking about a story that he created.

    Do you actually believe this stuff?


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    #5748
    LessOutragePlz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Explaining Trump's behaviour after the fact as some sort of clever analysis of society.... Do you really believe that?
    salmocab wrote: »
    Do you actually believe this stuff?


    Yes I do.


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    #5749
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,602 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    Not everyone wants to see them since some people don't care about them as long as he keeps his promise of Making America Great Again.

    He didn't really believe that Obama wasn't an American citizen he was just showing us how easy it is to manipulate the media and get them talking about a story that he created.

    You make up more fake stories than your tan in a can hero :rolleyes:


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    #5750
    salmocab
    Registered Users Posts: 11,366 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    Yes

    What could he do that you wouldn’t explain away happily?


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    #5751
    LessOutragePlz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    salmocab wrote: »
    What could he do that you wouldn’t explain away happily?

    Breaking the law.


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    #5752
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,470 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    Breaking the law.

    do you include bank fraud in that?


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    #5753
    LessOutragePlz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    do you include bank fraud in that?

    Yes I can't support a criminal.


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    #5754
    weisses
    Registered Users Posts: 9,483 ✭✭✭weisses


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    The only people who actually care about his tax returns were diehard dem voters anyway. The tax return thing doesn't bother floating voters or republicans anyway, America is a country that was built on avoiding taxes, its one of the most patriotic things you can do there. Not releasing the returns makes everyone think theres something in there which makes middle and upper America only resonate with him.

    No **** sherlock .... as if a republican or Trump cult follower would like to see his tax returns :rolleyes:


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    #5755
    weisses
    Registered Users Posts: 9,483 ✭✭✭weisses


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    Yes I can't support a criminal.

    Pick one
    He illegally discriminated against prospective black and Hispanic tenants in his real estate business way back in the 1970s. He avoided charges by settling with the Justice Department and paying a fine.

    He illegally hired undocumented workers for his various businesses. He avoided charges by using his money and influence to sweep those crimes under the rug.

    He illegally operated a fraudulent “university” and a self-dealing “foundation.” He avoided charges by paying millions of dollars to settle those cases.

    He has been credibly accused of sexual harassment/assault by more than a dozen women. He avoided charges by attacking his victims and spending untold fortunes on legal defense.

    He was an unindicted co-conspirator in the illegal porn-star adultery payoffs that landed his personal lawyer in prison. He avoided charges largely because of a questionable Justice Department guideline that says sitting presidents can’t be indicted.

    He illegally obstructed justice in the investigation of his 2016 election collusion with Russia. He avoided charges because Special Counsel Robert Mueller declined to make a recommendation about whether or not his actions were criminal. Spoiler alert: Thousands of former federal prosecutors say his actions were, indeed, criminal.

    He illegally solicited election interference from a foreign nation, illegally obstructed the congressional investigation of his actions, illegally extorted/bribed a foreign leader for political favors, and illegally withheld foreign aid approved by Congress. He avoided charges because he’s a sitting president. He was impeached but not removed from office because Republicans in the Senate served as his tainted jury and bent reality to suit their political motives.

    https://www.gazettenet.com/Columnist-John-Sheirer-32545210


    Read the whole piece, you might pick up a thing or two


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    #5756
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,602 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    weisses wrote: »
    Pick one



    https://www.gazettenet.com/Columnist-John-Sheirer-32545210


    Read the whole piece, you might pick up a thing or two

    And now wait for the


    "Ahhhh but there was no trial, and he wasn't convicted of a crime, and he is innocent, and sure discrimination isn't really a crime its just a word to keep the poor people happy"

    Or some other lame excuse as to why tan in a can isnt really a "criminal".


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    #5757
    LessOutragePlz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    weisses wrote: »
    Pick one



    https://www.gazettenet.com/Columnist-John-Sheirer-32545210


    Read the whole piece, you might pick up a thing or two

    More fake news.

    He hasn't been convicted of a crime so he is not a criminal.


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    #5758
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,602 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    More fake news.

    He hasn't been convicted of a crime so he is not a criminal.

    ^^^^^^

    Called it!


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    #5759
    LessOutragePlz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    And now wait for the


    "Ahhhh but there was no trial, and he wasn't convicted of a crime, and he is innocent, and sure discrimination isn't really a crime its just a word to keep the poor people happy"

    Or some other lame excuse as to why tan in a can isnt really a "criminal".

    He is not a criminal.

    Can you tell me what crime he has been convicted of?


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    #5760
    weisses
    Registered Users Posts: 9,483 ✭✭✭weisses


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    More fake news.

    He hasn't been convicted of a crime so he is not a criminal.

    Hahahahaha

    Your lame excuses are predicted even before being posted

    You cannot make this **** up


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    #5761
    duploelabs
    Registered Users Posts: 11,461 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    He is not a criminal.

    Can you tell me what crime he has been convicted of?

    Unnamed co-conspirator in the case that took down Michael Cohen


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