2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

Timberrrrrrrr · 05-09-2020 1:30am

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

i heard that trump brokered a peace deal, i thought he might be nominated for a peace prize. i was mistaken.

i need to do more research on the topic.

Yup

mcmoustache · 05-09-2020 1:42am

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

how did he back up putin?

By pretending that there was doubt over Russian State involvement in Nalvani's poisoning from a poison that you don't exactly get off the pharmacy shelf.

y0ssar1an22 · 05-09-2020 1:59am

mcmoustache wrote: »

By pretending that there was doubt over Russian State involvement in Nalvani's poisoning from a poison that you don't exactly get off the pharmacy shelf.

cant see how this can possibly be a criticism of trump...not condemning russian (governmental involvement) of a pretty heinous political crime without proof?

what do you expect him to do, like really? with no proof of anything? what would you have him do?

mcmoustache · 05-09-2020 2:13am

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

cant see how this can possibly be a criticism of trump...not condemning russian (governmental involvement) of a pretty heinous political crime without proof?

what do you expect him to do, like really? with no proof of anything? what would you have him do?

Not contradict allies and his intel services to defend the guy who he, for some reason, won't criticise. We still don't have a reasonable reason for him behaving like Putin's bottom bitch.

y0ssar1an22 · 05-09-2020 2:42am

mcmoustache wrote: »

Not contradict allies and his intel services to defend the guy who he, for some reason, won't criticise. We still don't have a reasonable reason for him behaving like Putin's bottom bitch.

what has NATO said that trump has contradicted?

he's asking for proof of a government level assassination of a massive putin opponent.

i don't see the problem with that at all, showing some restraint. can you imagine the potential fallout if those allegations are true/or false?

better to err on the side of caution.

dwayneshintzy · 05-09-2020 5:09am

Has Trump ever "erred" against Putin, and criticised him publicly?

There's plenty of examples of him rushing to criticise supposed "allies"; Merkel, Macron, Trudeau and many others. Why no Putin?

Why does a man who loves saying "I've heard this from many people" about total bull****, want incontrovertible and public evidenced that Putin personally poisoned Navalny? Who could have possible poisoned the leading opponent of the Russian state with novichok, if not the Russian state?

francois · 05-09-2020 7:06am

Those pee pee tapes must really be something...

Kidchameleon · 05-09-2020 7:45am

The "losers" story is obviously made up as a result of Trump gaining ground this week. Everything is from "sources", nothing concrete & no journalism is being done (part of the Atlantic story has already been debunked). If you take a look at unbiased polls, Trump has been playing a stormer this week, he is seen as tough against rioting & Americans see the riots as the Democrats fault. Biden has literally been playing catch up all week (look at him following trump to Kenosha like a puppy for example). Looking at the narrative in thread, its pretty obvious that there is noting going for Biden except lies. Hell, there's far more evidence of the Tara Read accusations that this baloney. As nuts as Trump might be, he would NEVER say that and nobody honestly believes he did either.

dwayneshintzy · 05-09-2020 7:53am

What part of The Atlantic story has been debunked?

In his denials, Trump has lied about calling McCain a loser and has lied about phoning Melania "in Washington" when he was in Paris. How can you trust what he's saying as he literally lies to you? Fox News and the AP have both confirmed the quotes in The Atlantic story.

What "unbiased" polls are you talking about?

dwayneshintzy · 05-09-2020 7:58am

You say that "no journalism is being done"........is independent checking of quotes by multiple sources not journalism? What is journalism under your standards, then?

francois · 05-09-2020 8:00am

https://twitter.com/JenGriffinFNC/status/1301975321495973889?s=19

Looks like his favourite propaganda outfit is turning.

westdublin · 05-09-2020 8:02am

Kidchameleon wrote: »

The "losers" story is obviously made up as a result of Trump gaining ground this week. Everything is from "sources", nothing concrete & no journalism is being done (part of the Atlantic story has already been debunked). If you take a look at unbiased polls, Trump has been playing a stormer this week, he is seen as tough against rioting & Americans see the riots as the Democrats fault. Biden has literally been playing catch up all week (look at him following trump to Kenosha like a puppy for example). Looking at the narrative in thread, its pretty obvious that there is noting going for Biden except lies. Hell, there's far more evidence of the Tara Read accusations that this baloney. As nuts as Trump might be, he would NEVER say that and nobody honestly believes he did either.

Can you link to some of these "unbiased polls" please.

Cody montana · 05-09-2020 8:20am

He seems to have binge tweeted yesterday after Fox News confirmed The Atlantic story.

Breitbart was used multiple times.
Desperation is setting in.

Kidchameleon · 05-09-2020 8:25am

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

What part of The Atlantic story has been debunked?

From the article in question:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-americans-who-died-at-war-are-losers-and-suckers/615997/

"When President Donald Trump canceled a visit to the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery near Paris in 2018, he blamed rain for the last-minute decision, saying that “the helicopter couldn’t fly” and that the Secret Service wouldn’t drive him there. Neither claim was true."

This is a straight up lie. Official navy documents have been obtained that prove it is a lie. If the Atlantic LIE about this, why trust their other claims about Trump?

Navy documents reproduced here:

https://www.vox.com/2020/9/4/21422733/atlantic-trump-military-suckers-losers-explained

"I obtained documents from the Navy via #FOIA about Trump's 2018 trip to Aisne-Marne American Cemetery near Paris and the documents say his transport was canceled by the Navy due to rain."

"Zachary Fuentes, a deputy White House chief of staff at the time, was the one who decided Trump shouldn’t travel by helicopter and assured the president it was okay to miss the event. And former National Security Adviser John Bolton wrote in his deeply unflattering-to-Trump book that the president didn’t go to the cemetery solely because of poor conditions."

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

Trump has lied about calling McCain a loser

We'll technically he is a loser since his failed 2008 bid

but anyway, all the big players were attacking his character at the time, Democrat and Republican. Its a nothing burger.

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

Fox News and the AP have both confirmed the quotes in The Atlantic story.

Hypothetical scenario... I could say Joe Biden is a pedophile. Fox and AP could confirm I said that but it doesn't mean its true.

dwayneshintzy · 05-09-2020 8:27am

Chesley Sullenberger coming out (strongly) against Trump;

https://twitter.com/Captsully/status/1301998157404962823?s=19

ChikiChiki · 05-09-2020 9:03am

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

how did he back up putin?

'it tragic its terrible, it shouldn't happen' - everyone feels the same

'we haven't had any proof yet' - do you expect him to condemn russia with no proof?

He switched the topic to China as quickly as he could. Does that really not concern you?

His behaviors when it comes to Russia display that of someone under sway. You don't need a news channel to tell you that. Use your own brain and formulate your own opinion.

Igotadose · 05-09-2020 9:14am

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

Chesley Sullenberger coming out (strongly) against Trump;

https://twitter.com/Captsully/status/1301998157404962823?s=19

Another prominent American tweets about the #IMPOTUS.

https://twitter.com/GovHowardDean/status/1301949096723386368

Cody montana · 05-09-2020 9:23am

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

gaddafi and libya?

re my ME comments, lets perhaps forget those as i think they are incorrect.

Are you saying Obama invaded Libya?

lawred2 · 05-09-2020 9:32am

What did Trump say exactly with this "losers and suckers" thing?

What was the context?

Surely even the Donald isn't as dim as to say something like that!?

Timberrrrrrrr · 05-09-2020 10:08am

lawred2 wrote: »

What did Trump say exactly with this "losers and suckers" thing?

What was the context?

Surely even the Donald isn't as dim as to say something like that!?

https://twitter.com/JenGriffinFNC/status/1301975330048167936?s=19

https://twitter.com/JenGriffinFNC/status/1301975328961818626?s=19

https://twitter.com/JenGriffinFNC/status/1301975321495973889?s=19

https://twitter.com/JenGriffinFNC/status/1301975327749615616?s=19

https://twitter.com/JeffreyGoldberg/status/1301634784448438272?s=19

Timberrrrrrrr · 05-09-2020 10:44am

A short video here explains it better

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5cqUWm63Mg

Eric Cartman · 05-09-2020 10:50am

Notoriously anti trump publication makes up things he supposedly said years ago at a key time in an election year , shocking.

Cody montana · 05-09-2020 10:54am

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Notoriously anti trump publication makes up things he supposedly said years ago at a key time in an election year , shocking.

Fox News?

Eric Cartman · 05-09-2020 10:56am

Cody montana wrote: »

Fox News?

The atlantic. Thats where its coming from

The same atlantic who pushed the ‘n word tape’ conspiracy that never became anything
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/sarah-sanders-omarosa-trump-tape-guarantee/567544/

This publication has a pretty big history of ‘trump said a thing, weve no proof but we’ll run with it’

Kidchameleon · 05-09-2020 10:57am

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

A short video here explains it better

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5cqUWm63Mg

Havnt been able to watch the video. Will do later. Does it explain why the Atlantic article contains blatant lies & heresay?

duploelabs · 05-09-2020 11:03am

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Havnt been able to watch the video. Will do later. Does it explain why the Atlantic article contains blatant lies & heresay?

What confirms your belief that the multi-sourced article that been published by many different outlets is 'blatent lies'?

Cody montana · 05-09-2020 11:05am

Eric Cartman wrote: »

The atlantic. Thats where its coming from

The same atlantic who pushed the ‘n word tape’ conspiracy that never became anything
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/sarah-sanders-omarosa-trump-tape-guarantee/567544/

This publication has a pretty big history of ‘trump said a thing, weve no proof but we’ll run with it’

Fox News Confirms Trump Called Veterans "Suckers" and "Losers"

Where does this fit in your little theory?

Brian? · 05-09-2020 11:07am

Eric Cartman wrote: »

The atlantic. Thats where its coming from

The same atlantic who pushed the ‘n word tape’ conspiracy that never became anything
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/sarah-sanders-omarosa-trump-tape-guarantee/567544/

This publication has a pretty big history of ‘trump said a thing, weve no proof but we’ll run with it’

Unnamed sources don't equal "no proof", the journalists are reporting what people from the Trump administration said, the sources simply aren't willing to be named. It's decent journalism to check multiple sources and publish without naming anyone, that's what was done here.

Was Watergate made up because Woodward and Burnstein didn't name Deep Throat?

Trump says a lot of dumb ****e, it's no surprise at all he called them losers. The man has zero class.

Eric Cartman · 05-09-2020 11:07am

Cody montana wrote: »

Fox News Confirms Trump Called Veterans "Suckers" and "Losers"

Where does this fit in your little theory?

Wheres the confirmation beyond what the atlantic report ? And dont link somebodys personal twitter

Eric Cartman · 05-09-2020 11:08am

Brian? wrote: »

Unnamed sources don't equal "no proof", the journalists are reporting what people from the Trump administration said, the sources simply aren't willing to be named. It's decent journalism to check multiple sources and publish without naming anyone, that's what was done here.

Was Watergate made up because Woodward and Burnstein didn't name Deep Throat?

Trump says a lot of dumb ****e, it's no surprise at all he called them losers. The man has zero class.

If it wasnt from a publication that fabricated ‘things he said’ in the past maybe but the atlantic are bottom tier biased for making up things

2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

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