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2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

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    #6902
    [Deleted User]
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    Batmannn wrote: »
    It's a fact that YouTube altered the like dislike ratio.
    I saw it happen and people have screencaps of it

    It's more likely that youtube deactivated a load of spam accounts from suspicion locations. Resulting in the change in numbers.


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    #6903
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,470 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Batmannn wrote: »
    Main stream media didn't influence your opinion
    Really? ?

    I'm quite capable of forming my own opinion based on what he says. Are you not?


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    #6904
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Batmannn wrote: »
    I wish people would look at POTUS objectively and stop believe the propergamda from cnn .
    Cnn are not your friend

    Don't watch CNN or Fox etc and don't have to put myself through that to know he's a prick.


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    #6905
    Batmannn
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 24 ✭Batmannn


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    It's more likely that youtube deactivated a load of spam accounts from suspicion locations. Resulting in the change in numbers.

    Funny how they never make mistakes in Trump's favour
    Coincidence that they alwaysare mistakes against him
    Cmon man


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    #6906
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    Just to be perfectly clear and as already stated, I have not claimed the democrats removed dislikes. I simply stated that some people speculated that they did.


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    #6907
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,470 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Just to be perfectly clear and as already stated, I have not claimed the democrats removed dislikes. I simply stated that some people speculated that they did.

    some people who are massively biased and just outright lying. but that isn't important to you.


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    #6908
    Batmannn
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 24 ✭Batmannn


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    I'm quite capable of forming my own opinion based on what he says. Are you not?

    I don't believe your opinion is your own
    No offence


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    #6909
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    Overheal wrote: »
    This thing you're doing is called gaslighting.


    How exactly have I gaslighted? I stated some people speculated the democrats had dislikes removed. It is a fact that some people thought this happened.


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    #6910
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,470 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Batmannn wrote: »
    I don't believe your opinion is your own
    No offence

    well that is offensive and i dont believe you didnt intend it to be. some of are smart enough to form opinions. I feel sorry for you that need others to tell you what your opinion should be.


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    #6911
    Batmannn
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 24 ✭Batmannn


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    Don't watch CNN or Fox etc and don't have to put myself through that to know he's a prick.

    All criticism is self-criticism
    >Oscar wilde


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    #6912
    ollkiller
    Registered Users Posts: 867 ✭✭✭ollkiller


    Batmannn wrote: »
    I wish people would look at POTUS objectively and stop believe the propergamda from cnn .
    Cnn are not your friend

    I don't read CNN just like I don't read Fox. Thankfully I have all my faculties and form my opinion of Trump based on what he says, his actions and my ability to research his many failings. But he has many supporters who support him because they don't like the politics of the left, to the extent that they give a pass to a hate mongerer who divides people instead of bringing them together and is more than likely a rapist. But hey each to their own.


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    #6913
    Batmannn
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 24 ✭Batmannn


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Just to be perfectly clear and as already stated, I have not claimed the democrats removed dislikes. I simply stated that some people speculated that they did.

    It's OK mate we belive you
    No need to walk on broken glass ðŸ˜႒


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    #6914
    relax carry on
    Registered Users Posts: 4,082 ✭✭✭relax carry on


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    His use of Twitter appeals to his base so he's just using it to his advantage, it's basically free publicity and a way to attack Biden without being in a face to face debate with him. With regards to him being a decent human being, the man is no angel but, I think some of comments describing him are a bit extreme and over exaggerated like comparing him to Hitler etc.

    As has been pointed out repeatedly, he's not going to win with just his base so why continue with the same format on Twitter since day one of his presidency? It achieves nothing as his base will vote for him anyway regardless of what he does. Keeping in mind his tweets are part of the presidential record, how does his pandering to his base sit within his role as POTUS?

    While he's not Hitler, the content and tone of his tweets for one show that his leadership qualities are severely lacking. He is POTUS for all Americans not just his base. They also demonstrate a very insecure individual with very poor self control. And since you yourself stated his Twitter usage appeals to his base, his tweets also demonstrate poor tactical usage of a communication tool during a re-election campaign. He should be pushing to garner what support he can from those outside his base not pushing conspiracy theories and petty insults.


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    #6915
    JRant
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    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Just to be perfectly clear and as already stated, I have not claimed the democrats removed dislikes. I simply stated that some people speculated that they did.

    Wasting your time Kid, the gang will be along shortly with today's talking points and escort you to room 101 for reprogramming.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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    #6916
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    some people who are massively biased and just outright lying. but that isn't important to you.

    Speculation is not lying. The president himself speculated about the same thing:

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1297294362469191681


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    #6917
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,470 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Speculation is not lying. The president himself speculated about the same thing:

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1297294362469191681

    you mean that really honest guy trump? jesus.


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    #6918
    Baggly
    Registered Users Posts: 35,024 ✭✭✭✭Baggly


    JRant wrote: »
    Wasting your time Kid, the gang will be along shortly with today's talking points and escort you to room 101 for reprogramming.

    Mod

    Your next contribution to this thread has better be substantial or you need not bother posting here again.


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    #6919
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,549 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    How exactly have I gaslighted? I stated some people speculated the democrats had dislikes removed. It is a fact that some people thought this happened.

    Because you shared this information, purportedly from a neutral position, without taking any personal stance. Your whole post was "Some people are saying" and 0% "Here is what I think about that." And then you begin acting like the injured party when anyone on thread ends up having to infer you, based on your established thread history. If you don't think there is merit to dislikegate, you didn't say up front. And you still haven't taken any clear position:
    Just to be perfectly clear and as already stated, I have not claimed the democrats removed dislikes. I simply stated that some people speculated that they did.

    So you're propagating this junk news, and simultaneously pretending through omission that you have no personal opinion on it. The clear conclusion would be, as you are propagating it without caveat, you promote it. Yet you are trying in vain to claim a veil of neutrality about it, so you can dodge responsibility for any criticism of said junk news.

    If you don't believe it and it's all bunk, then what even was the point of bringing it up here?


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    #6920
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    Batmannn wrote: »
    All criticism is self-criticism
    >Oscar wilde

    Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
    Mark Twain

    Good words to live by but one good thing about arguing with conspiracy theorists and the like. They make you thankful your not that blindly stupid, or fu*ked up.


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    #6921
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    @Overheal

    Firstly, thanks for your post re. gaslighting. I don't believe I was doing that but I appreciate your post.
    Overheal wrote: »
    If you don't believe it and it's all bunk

    I think there is a possibility that it is true. It is also possible the republicans use the same kind of tricks.
    Overheal wrote: »
    what even was the point of bringing it up here?

    I brought it up because another poster speculated that bots were responsible for the huge amount of likes Bidens Tweet got.


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    #6922
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,549 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    @Overheal

    Firstly, thanks for your post re. gaslighting. I don't believe I was doing that but I appreciate your post.

    I think there is a possibility that it is true. It is also possible the republicans use the same kind of tricks.

    I brought it up because another poster speculated that bots were responsible for the huge amount of likes Bidens Tweet got.

    Well at least now we've established you think the conspiracy theory has merit. So we can proceed to pointing out the people making a mountain out of this molehill are run by John Solomon, who is all but evidently operating this 'news' site as a PAC/propaganda site for the Trump 2020 election. So, I would urge folks to be very cautious when trying to snipe at democrats etc. by using it as a talking point, because at present its an indefensible position based on very thin facts being propagated by very questionable figures. Ergo, trying to make posts that defame democrats by suggesting they 'rigged the likes on youtube' is going to be, how shall we say: gaslighting.


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    #6923
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    Overheal wrote: »
    Well at least now we've established you think the conspiracy theory has merit. So we can proceed to pointing out the people making a mountain out of this molehill are run by John Solomon, who is all but evidently operating this 'news' site as a PAC/propaganda site for the Trump 2020 election. So, I would urge folks to be very cautious when trying to snipe at democrats etc. by using it as a talking point, because at present its an indefensible position based on very thin facts being propagated by very questionable figures. Ergo, trying to make posts that defame democrats by suggesting they 'rigged the likes on youtube' is going to be, how shall we say: gaslighting.

    Would you say CNN to some extent are a propoganda outlet for the democrats?


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    #6924
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,549 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Would you say CNN to some extent are a propoganda outlet for the democrats?

    To what extent are you suggesting, and what is your evidence?


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    #6925
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    Overheal wrote: »
    Because you shared this information, purportedly from a neutral position, without taking any personal stance. Your whole post was "Some people are saying" and 0% "Here is what I think about that." And then you begin acting like the injured party when anyone on thread ends up having to infer you, based on your established thread history. If you don't think there is merit to dislikegate, you didn't say up front. And you still haven't taken any clear position:

    This evening you brought up the fact that Trump and Epstein were co-accused in a rape case. What is your source for information on this case? What is your personal stance? And what was the outcome of the case?


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    #6926
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    Overheal wrote: »
    To what extent are you suggesting, and what is your evidence?

    They seem to have wall to wall coverage that is anti Trump. They never seem to show stories about his many good actions as president. I could go on. Im not sure how I can provide evidence of that other than showing you actual CNN footage. If you really do need evidence I could perhaps try to find something tomorow.


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    #6927
    1800_Ladladlad
    Registered Users Posts: 3,366 ✭✭✭1800_Ladladlad


    I was waiting on this after his labor day interview lol

    https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1303433348484866048


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    #6928
    weisses
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    1800_Ladladlad wrote: »
    I was waiting on this after his labor day interview lol

    https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1303433348484866048

    The people he talked to where not the environmentalist wing of the democratic party right ?

    Plus Fossil fuel is more then fracking

    Christ .. Trumps " war room" is not firing on all cylinders


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    #6929
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,549 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    This evening you brought up the fact that Trump and Epstein were co-accused in a rape case. What is your source for information on this case? What is your personal stance? And what was the outcome of the case?

    What I said was,

    "If someone is telling you Trump did something to Epstein, then they're telling you he had him killed, I guess? Given that Trump and Epstein are indeed associates, and, fact check, were co-defendants on charges of raping a 13-year old."

    In relation to

    "Look what Trump done to Harvey weinstein and Jeffrey epstejn."

    And my source is primary and on public record: (Document)

    Which was dropped only when the plaintiff rescinded upon receiving numerous death threats.

    My personal stance is that Trump clearly is hiding closer ties to Epstein and Maxwell than has been revealed publicly. Regardless, there as indisputable conflict when Trump's DOJ is overseeing her prosecution, we have already seen strong evidence that this DOJ is politically corrupted.


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    #6930
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,549 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    They seem to have wall to wall coverage that is anti Trump. They never seem to show stories about his many good actions as president. I could go on. Im not sure how I can provide evidence of that other than showing you actual CNN footage. If you really do need evidence I could perhaps try to find something tomorow.

    If you don't mind that would be great.

    How much coverage would you say you watch?


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    #6931
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,549 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    1800_Ladladlad wrote: »
    I was waiting on this after his labor day interview lol

    https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1303433348484866048

    Don't you suppose a few of those clips are missing context? I would have actually loved to hear the complete response Biden gave to that man in the glasses for example. Because, his tone of voice let's me know he has a much longer answer than "I'd love to too!"

    edit: on cursory inspection this looks like more screed based on lack of context or nuance from soundbytes.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/06/19/fact-check-joe-biden-doesnt-want-ban-all-fracking-only-new-permits/3215253001/

    Biden clarified this, already, in June. He would not shut down existing fracking businesses, he would however move to ban new permits.


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