2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

Cody montana

Cody montana wrote: »

I genuinely can’t believe that’s a real tweet from the president of the USA.

Sounds exactly like his previous bouts of diarrhea and again the usual people swallowing it.

baaba maal

ELM327 wrote: »

Surely you're not capable of this much feigned condescension.

The condescension doesn't need to be feigned.

PropJoe10

ELM327 wrote: »

Surely you're not capable of this much feigned condescension.

I think it's time for you to turn off Fox News and educate yourself about what's actually happening in the world. I would say that Trump's criminal inaction over the virus MIGHT just be slightly more important than being nominated for a Nobel Prize by some crackpot right-wing foreign politician.

Tea drinker

duploelabs wrote: »

Closing the airports when the virus is already in the country did the sum of f*ck all except dogwhistle to his base

So what about all the other countries that stopped travel? Was that dogwhistling to their party followers

ohnonotgmail

Tea drinker wrote: »

So what about all the other countries that stopped travel? Was that dogwhistling to their party followers

did they ban people of only one nationality?

MeMen2_MoRi_

Tea drinker wrote: »

So what about all the other countries that stopped travel? Was that dogwhistling to their party followers

Trump knew from early February how serious sh!t was with this virus, I can't recall dates of flight banning, iirc by the time he banned the flights from China and virus was already in Europe, so banning flights was like playing a game of whack a mole. He then bans flights from mainland Europe, when all people needed to do was skip over to the UK/Ireland and fly to the US. He then bans flights from UK/Ireland.

And all the while he is playing the seriousness of things down.. people may think the panic trump is talking about is the population, it wasnt, it was the stock markets his only true love. Someone posted a link about aljazeera article and the timeline, I'd love to see that timeline and the stock market crashing side by side.

Overheal

Trump also bragged to Woodward about distracting Congress from investigating the killing of Kashoggi and MBS - Saudi Arabian Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman

https://www.mediaite.com/trump/trump-bragged-to-woodward-about-getting-congress-to-leave-mohammad-bin-salman-alone-following-murder-of-jamal-khashoggi-i-saved-his-a/

ollkiller

Overheal wrote: »

Trump also bragged to Woodward about distracting Congress from investigating the killing of Kashoggi and MBS - Saudi Arabian Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman

https://www.mediaite.com/trump/trump-bragged-to-woodward-about-getting-congress-to-leave-mohammad-bin-salman-alone-following-murder-of-jamal-khashoggi-i-saved-his-a/

Wow. Am I surprised. No. But still. Wow.

MeMen2_MoRi_

Can't beat a good conspiracy...

https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1303879572933419008?s=20

Overheal

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »

Can't beat a good conspiracy...

https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1303879572933419008?s=20

You know they're right, that is delicious. It's savory any time Republicans turn on Graham. They do it pretty regularly though, so it remains up in the air if he will be kicked out of office. They may hate Graham but they don't want Jaime Harrison; Graham will rubberstamp any judge or justice they shove through.

Overheal

Harmless slip of the tongue :rolleyes:, just Trump saying the election already happened a week ago - or is it September 3, 2021 he's alluding to?

https://www.mediaite.com/donald-trump/watch-trump-mistakenly-refers-to-the-election-as-happening-on-september-3rd-nope-its-still-in-november/

"For the last four years, they’ve tried everything to stop us. And they are only getting more desperate by the day. Can you imagine if on September 3rd they say, “Ladies and gentlemen, Donald Trump has been declared the winner”?

"At first they’ll go crazy. And then they’ll go, “it’s time now to be reasonable.” They will have had it, they will have had it."

Kidchameleon

Here's a direct YouTube link if you don't want to give Mediaite a click:

Enjoyable speech other than the gaff! (33:28)

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Analysis / Bias

In review, Mediaite reports news with a left-leaning bias through both story selection and wording such as this, Trump Fumes After Watching MSNBC, Takes Aim at Parent Company: ‘Such Lies’ and Trump’s Bizarre Statement About the Moon and Mars Rockets Across Twitter. This latter story is sourced to just tweets. Sourcing, in general, seems to frequently come from social media and Youtube videos. Story selection almost always favors the left and utilizes sensational headlines that do not match the story. In general, this is a strongly left-leaning source that selects stories that favor the left and does not always source properly.

Overall, we rate Mediaite Left Biased based on story selection that almost always favors the left and Mixed for factual reporting due to misleading sensational headlines and use of poor sources. (8/21/2016) Updated (D. Van Zandt 6/8/2019)

dwayneshintzy

Why have you included a link for a bias check on Mediaite? Overheal's post referenced direct quotes from Trump; are you denying those quotes are legitimate?

Incidentally, I'm a bit surprised that you provide a direct video link so people don't have to "give Mediaite a click". The video link is to PBS; Republicans in general are not big fans of PBS, and Trump has indicated that he wants to eliminate their funding.

dwayneshintzy

Some new polling information; Biden Leads Trump by Double Digits With Senior Voters Over 65—A Group No Democrat Has Won in Two Decades

If that proved remotely true, it would be devastating for Trump's chances. Though downplaying a pandemic and saying it "only" affects older/more vulnerable people, and threatening both Social Security and Medicare funding, probably isn't the best way to hold onto the senior vote. I'm not sure that his constant harping on about Biden's state of mind/dementia will help all that much either.

Wanderer78

dwayneshintzy wrote:

If that proved remotely true, it would be devastating for Trump's chances. Though downplaying a pandemic and saying it "only" affects older/more vulnerable people, and threatening both Social Security and Medicare funding, probably isn't the best way to hold onto the senior vote. I'm not sure that his constant harping on about Biden's state of mind/dementia will help all that much either.

I still feel it ll be extremely close, never underestimate the donald, his voters, and most importantly, the deep pockets of the republicans

dwayneshintzy

Wanderer78 wrote: »

I still feel it ll be extremely close, never underestimate the donald, his voters, and most importantly, the deep pockets of the republicans

Possible yeah, but there were also reports recently that Trump has blown through the vast majority of cash raised; How Trump's Billion Dollar Campaign Lost Its Cash Advantage

Wanderer78

dwayneshintzy wrote:

Possible yeah, but there were also reports recently that Trump has blown through the vast majority of cash raised;

Ah money's no object in that game, they ll find it, like they 'find' money for all wars, this is gonna be one hell of a nasty one, probably the nastiest yet

suicide_circus

I actually think getting an objective piece of journalism on Trump is an impossibility. The level of hyperbole that surrounds the man is astounding.

dwayneshintzy

Particularly if you believe that any piece that casts Trump in a negative light can't, by definition, be objective.

suicide_circus

That's not what i said or implied but you already know that.

dwayneshintzy

Well, what I took you to mean is that Trump polarises to such an incredible degree that it's impossible for journalists to be objective. That they will either be biased in favor or against Trump.

I don't agree with that, as I believe many of the stories that Trump decries as "fake news" are indeed objective. They just happen to portray him horribly (NYT investigation into his family's tax scams, investigations into his charities and university, the recently uncovered quotes to Woodward, the election finance story I just linked, etc).

Kidchameleon

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Here's a direct YouTube link if you don't want to give Mediaite a click:

Enjoyable speech other than the gaff! (33:28)

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From:

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/mediaite/

Funded by / Ownership

Mediaite is owned by Abrams Media and generates revenue primarily through advertising.

Analysis / Bias

In review, Mediaite reports news with a left-leaning bias through both story selection and wording such as this, Trump Fumes After Watching MSNBC, Takes Aim at Parent Company: ‘Such Lies’ and Trump’s Bizarre Statement About the Moon and Mars Rockets Across Twitter. This latter story is sourced to just tweets. Sourcing, in general, seems to frequently come from social media and Youtube videos. Story selection almost always favors the left and utilizes sensational headlines that do not match the story. In general, this is a strongly left-leaning source that selects stories that favor the left and does not always source properly.

Overall, we rate Mediaite Left Biased based on story selection that almost always favors the left and Mixed for factual reporting due to misleading sensational headlines and use of poor sources. (8/21/2016) Updated (D. Van Zandt 6/8/2019)

I'm guessing you included the bias check because your Christian Right site got criticised the other day. The difference is, they were going to an insane degree of speculation. The article that overheal just posted is a direct quote so a fact check is a bit pointless.

suicide_circus

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

Well, what I took you to mean is that Trump polarises to such an incredible degree that it's impossible for journalists to be objective. That they will either be biased in favor or against Trump.

I don't agree with that, as I believe many of the stories that Trump decries as "fake news" are indeed objective. They just happen to portray him horribly (NYT investigation into his family's tax scams, investigations into his charities and university, the recently uncovered quotes to Woodward, the election finance story I just linked, etc).

If Trump had a success do you honestly think it would be reported honestly?

mcmoustache

suicide_circus wrote: »

If Trump had a success do you honestly think it would be reported honestly?

That peace deal between UAE and Israel was reported as a peace deal between UAE and Israel.


The likes of Lou Dobbs presented it in fawning terms as though it were the greatest deal ever but you can't expect sensible media to do that.

Leroy42

suicide_circus wrote: »

If Trump had a success do you honestly think it would be reported honestly?

Yes, he gots lots of Kudos for the NK PR for example.

It is only afterwards that many realised that it was all just PR, that nothing was achieved and in fact it was a disaster for the US and a PR success for NK.

Quin_Dub

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

Possible yeah, but there were also reports recently that Trump has blown through the vast majority of cash raised; How Trump's Billion Dollar Campaign Lost Its Cash Advantage

They are definitely under pressure financially.

The Biden campaign raised $360M+ last month compared to ~$200M by the GOP.

The Previous month the Republicans only had about a $100M cash on hand advantage , that's gone now.

They are cutting back on advertising across multiple states in an effort to save cash to target the last few weeks of the campaign.

That might still be enough but there's no question that they are no longer cash rich.

baaba maal

ELM327 wrote: »

Surely you're not capable of this much feigned condescension.

suicide_circus wrote: »

I actually think getting an objective piece of journalism on Trump is an impossibility. The level of hyperbole that surrounds the man is astounding.

But hyperbole is something Trump engages in at every turn- are you saying it is only the responsibility of the media not to indulge in it?

Igotadose

Paul Krugman eviscerates Trump in today's editorial: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/10/opinion/donald-trump-coronavirus.html

Quotes:

"He wasn't oblivious to the danger. He just didn't care."

"Let's be clear: A private citizen who did what we now know Trump did would definitely be in big legal trouble. For example, think of the lawsuits likely brought against a corporate C.E.O. who knew that his company's workplace was dangerous, but lied about it, refused to take any precautions and threatened workers with dismissal if they failed to come in."

(about preventing a 'panic')

"...telling the truth about the coronavirus wouldn't have been like shouting "Fire!" in a crowded theater. The only things the truth might have scared people into doing would have been staying home where possible, avoiding crowds, washing their hands and so on. And these were all things people should have been doing -- in fact, once people started "panicking" in places like New York, infection rates came way down.

Of course, we all have a pretty good idea what Trump was actually talking about: All though this crisis credible sources have reported that he wanted to downplay the crisis out of fear that bad news might hurt his beloved stock market. That is, he felt that he needed to sacrifice thousands of American lives to prop up the Dow.

As it happens, he was wrong: Stocks have stayed high despite an ever-rising death toll. But the fact that he was wrong about the trade-off doesn't alter the fact that his willingness to make that trade-off was utterly immoral."

the purple tin

Either way it goes the US will be getting a pensioner perv for prez.

rossie1977

suicide_circus wrote: »

If Trump had a success do you honestly think it would be reported honestly?

Yeah how many times have the media said 'well Trump seemed very presidential there'

The media want Trump to succeed, he is their meal ticket, the problem its a crisis after crisis in the White House.

If any previous President was found to be using tax-payer money for a lawsuit against him that would be headline news for six months and the opposition would be calling for his removal, Donald Trump its news for a few hours then something bigger breaks.

Think about the fact that every single head of Trumps campaign team in 2016 will end up in prison yet its barely acknowledged. Can you imagine if that was Obama or Hilary...