2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

gmisk

Kidchameleon wrote: »

I'd be very surprised if Biden debates Trump. He would be EVISCERATED by President Trump in a debate.

Just because you keep putting random words In capital letters it doesn't make them true...

Trump will gallump shout and barrel about if there are debates they will play to his fan base imo but few outside of it.

Overheal

He might also be hallucinating:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1290308363872538624?s=20

Kidchameleon

Overheal wrote: »

He might also be hallucinating:

He said the roads and highways were filled with people yet you shared a picture of an airfield.

Kidchameleon

Kidchameleon wrote: »

He said the roads and highways were filled with people yet you shared a picture of an airfield.

Care to share some photos of the crowded roads and highways?

Overheal

Deleted User wrote: »

Care to share some photos of the crowded roads and highways?

Maybe he meant these roads?




https://heavy.com/news/2020/08/trump-golfing-person-woman-man-camera-tv-signs/






https://www.mediaite.com/news/trump-booed-on-way-to-his-golf-course-protested-with-john-lewis-good-trouble-sign/

ollkiller

Kidchameleon wrote: »

I'd be very surprised if Biden debates Trump. He would be EVISCERATED by President Trump in a debate.

Biden will 100% debate Trump. It would be the end of any presidential candidate if they dropped out of a debate. Game over, so the debates will go ahead. And we shall see who gets eviscerated (no need for caps) then.

ChikiChiki

Immigration Nation released on Netflix today surely another kick to this administration?

Ripping kids out of the arms of their parents and then taunting them afterwards one of the most indefensible disgusting inhumane things I've ever seen in my life.

All these ICE goons big Trump fans, surprise surprise. They joke and laugh in the face at the expense of the immigrants. They tell the kids they will never see their parents again.

Illegal immigration is wrong but the attitude from enforcement agencies in the documentary comes right from the top. Animals.

ExMachina1000

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Immigration Nation released on Netflix today surely another kick to this administration?

Ripping kids out of the arms of their parents and then taunting them afterwards one of the most indefensible disgusting inhumane things I've ever seen in my life.

All these ICE goons big Trump fans, surprise surprise.

Animals

There is a little known secret that will stop kids being ripped from their parents arms.
Dont try cross a border illegally. Also if seeking asylum then turn up at the points of entry.
It's very simple.

Plus Obama built those cages.

Why would border control police put children in with adults in immigration holding cells?

ChikiChiki

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

There is a little known secret that will stop kids being ripped from their parents arms.
Dont try cross a border illegally. Also if seeking asylum then turn up at the points of entry.
It's very simple.

Plus Obama built those cages.

Why would border control police put children in with adults in immigration holding cells?

I'm against illegal immigration but this is different level barbaric. Watch it and try and defend it after. Taunting kids afterwards and laughing at it.

Us Marines being deported also because of their background. What a kip.

ExMachina1000

ChikiChiki wrote: »

I'm against illegal immigration but this is different level barbaric. Watch it and try and defend it after. Taunting kids afterwards and laughing at it.

Us Marines being deported also because of their background. What a kip.

Well there is definitely no need or excuse to be taunting innocent children who are undoubtedly already terrified.

I blame the parents. They chose to cross illegally. They have forced their children to pay the consequences

Overheal

Obama built the cages but he didn't separate children so haphazardly that they still don't know who these children are and have been charging the victims money to perform the required DNA tests to reunite them with their children. Trump admin has even illegally detained American citizens in these facilities for weeks at a time. Illegal detention of Americans is a multi-administration issue; the awful thing here is Trump not only seems patently aware its happening but he and his administration have been signaling active encouragement of these abuses, because they think the signal itself will deter illegal immigration. That includes encouraging the squalid conditions, refusal to provide basic hygiene products, etc.

MAVNI program members have been deported - these are DACA children who grew up in our country, and joined our military to bleed and sweat to earn their citizenship. Of all people, they deserve a path to citizenship the most, not deportation.

Simply crossing the border being an illegal act is a cop-out, one long codified into law: if you are an honest to god refugee, in order to seek asylum in the US you in effect have to start the asylum process by first making an illegal crossing. You have to be on American soil to declare your intent to seek asylum. You cannot do so at a consulate or embassy. It has to be within our sovereign boundary.

Blaming the parents for being refugees is a ridiculous cop-out.

ExMachina1000

Overheal wrote: »

Maybe he meant these roads?




https://heavy.com/news/2020/08/trump-golfing-person-woman-man-camera-tv-signs/






https://www.mediaite.com/news/trump-booed-on-way-to-his-golf-course-protested-with-john-lewis-good-trouble-sign/

This mediaite mob again.

They have been repeatedly exposed as conmen

Overheal

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

This mediaite mob again.

They have been repeatedly exposed as conmen

They have been 'exposed' as no such thing.

These photos are primary sources. MediaITE did not send journalists out to take them. They are from Getty. Are Getty fraudsters now too? Is the photographer, Saul Loeb, a grifter for the Deep State?

You're making a joke of yourself with these ill thought through deflections.

ExMachina1000

Overheal wrote: »

Obama built the cages but he didn't separate children so haphazardly that they still don't know who these children are and have been charging the victims money to perform the required DNA tests to reunite them with their children. Trump admin has even illegally detained American citizens in these facilities for weeks at a time. Illegal detention of Americans is a multi-administration issue; the awful thing here is Trump not only seems patently aware its happening but he and his administration have been signaling active encouragement of these abuses, because they think the signal itself will deter illegal immigration. That includes encouraging the squalid conditions, refusal to provide basic hygiene products, etc.

MAVNI program members have been deported - these are DACA children who grew up in our country, and joined our military to bleed and sweat to earn their citizenship. Of all people, they deserve a path to citizenship the most, not deportation.

Simply crossing the border being an illegal act is a cop-out, one long codified into law: if you are an honest to god refugee, in order to seek asylum in the US you in effect have to start the asylum process by first making an illegal crossing. You have to be on American soil to declare your intent to seek asylum. You cannot do so at a consulate or embassy. It has to be within our sovereign boundary.

Blaming the parents for being refugees is a ridiculous cop-out.

Asylum seekers need to present themselves at manned points of entry not sneak under a fence during the night.
Illegal border crossing is a crime

ExMachina1000

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

This mediaite mob again.

They have been repeatedly exposed as conmen

Well, you're perfectly free to provide proof of the massive crowds. Otherwise it's just you childishly attacking the source while proving nothing to the contrary.

Overheal

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Asylum seekers need to present themselves at manned points of entry not sneak under a fence during the night.
Illegal border crossing is a crime

It doesn't matter where they present themselves they've been thrown into detention and separated from their children.

ExMachina1000

Overheal wrote: »

It doesn't matter where they present themselves they've been thrown into detention and separated from their children.

Is this the case with those who try and cross illegally and those who present at manned crossings?
Are you sure?

ExMachina1000

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Is this the case with those who try and cross illegally and those who present at manned crossings?
Are you sure?

It's a violation of human rights and international law.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/05/world/americas/us-un-migrant-children-families.html

ExMachina1000

Trump about to come on live for a coronavirus news conference.

Was watching Roy Keane videos and spotted YouTube live link

Overheal

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Is this the case with those who try and cross illegally and those who present at manned crossings?
Are you sure?

Those who present at legal crossings are turned away, illegally

https://theintercept.com/2018/10/03/zero-tolerance-policy-jeff-sessions-kirstjen-nielsen/

Children who present at the border crossings are put in the kennels.

The administration makes it nigh impossible for asylum seekers to go about anything in a legal manner. They entrap them.

A fraction of those seeking asylum are let in so as to avoid the scorn of the full United Nations for flagrant human rights abuse.

ExMachina1000

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It's a violation of human rights and international law.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/05/world/americas/us-un-migrant-children-families.html

Sneaking across borders is also illegal

ExMachina1000

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Sneaking across borders is also illegal

And human rights and international laws continue to apply to the people who cross the border, not sure how that's lost on you.

Sweetemotion

Overheal wrote: »

Those who present at legal crossings are turned away, illegally

https://theintercept.com/2018/10/03/zero-tolerance-policy-jeff-sessions-kirstjen-nielsen/

Children who present at the border crossings are put in the kennels.

The administration makes it nigh impossible for asylum seekers to go about anything in a legal manner. They entrap them.

A fraction of those seeking asylum are let in so as to avoid the scorn of the full United Nations for flagrant human rights abuse.

Kennels :rolleyes:


Refuse to pay RTE and the subsequently fine, children are separated from their parents here.

ExMachina1000

Overheal wrote: »

Those who present at legal crossings are turned away, illegally

https://theintercept.com/2018/10/03/zero-tolerance-policy-jeff-sessions-kirstjen-nielsen/

Children who present at the border crossings are put in the kennels.

The administration makes it nigh impossible for asylum seekers to go about anything in a legal manner. They entrap them.

A fraction of those seeking asylum are let in so as to avoid the scorn of the full United Nations for flagrant human rights abuse.

I see. I don't know much about it so cant comment.

What was the procedure under obama/biden

Overheal

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Kennels :rolleyes:


Refuse to pay RTE and the subsequently fine, children are separated from their parents here.

In the Rio Grande Valley of Texas, the epicenter of the family separation crisis, where hundreds of kids were kept in a cage-filled warehouse known as the “dog kennel,” at least 564 children — “44 percent of children detained during this time” — were detained for more than 72 hours. “This sector also held a child for 25 days, nearly three times longer than any other Southwest Border Patrol sector,” the OIG report found.

Overheal

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

I see. I don't know much about it so cant comment.

What was the procedure under obama/biden

Not this.

ExMachina1000

"The Obama administration housed migrant children in temporary camps on military bases. And it pushed for long-term detention of migrant families while their asylum cases played out in immigration court, though federal courts blocked that policy"

That's just the tip of the iceberg.

Are you sure you want to as you put it yesterday "die on this hill"?

Overheal

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

"The Obama administration housed migrant children in temporary camps on military bases. And it pushed for long-term detention of migrant families while their asylum cases played out in immigration court, though federal courts blocked that policy"

That's just the tip of the iceberg.

Are you sure you want to as you put it yesterday "die on this hill"?

You asked me what Obama's policy was, I said it's not the same as Trumps. This is correct. I've also said the migrant crisis is a multi-administration problem. This is also correct.

What "hill" are we talking about?

Professor Moriarty

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

"The Obama administration housed migrant children in temporary camps on military bases. And it pushed for long-term detention of migrant families while their asylum cases played out in immigration court, though federal courts blocked that policy"

That's just the tip of the iceberg.

Are you sure you want to as you put it yesterday "die on this hill"?

From the same article:

"But then, those tactics shifted. Under Obama, the federal government eventually spent billions of dollars in response to the migrant surge. For instance,the administration greatly expanded the network of shelters contracted by the Department of Health and Human Services that house unaccompanied children. These shelters house the children until they can be placed with a parent or other relative already living in the U.S."

PropJoe10

da_miser wrote: »

Dems doing everything to cancel all debates, bookmark this post.
Dems Do Not Want a single Debate.
Dems will try every trick in the book to cancel the debates.

Joe is senile, its a disgrace what they are doing to this man

Deluded rambling rubbish. I hate to break it to you, but I won't be bookmarking this.