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2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

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    #7412
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,539 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    No but it's very hard to be Informed on what is posted there unless you go to the dark side and see if for yourself.

    Otherwise you're relying on what other people or outlets tell you that is posted there.

    You linked to whitehouse.gov is that the dark side?

    You’ve stopped making much sense in your last few posts.


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    #7413
    The Nal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,859 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    briany wrote: »
    Hold on, the word 'reform' is defined as making a change, especially one of a positive nature. Given the way Trump's conducted himself so far, it's hard to say that a return to the presidential style of old, as Biden promises, wouldn't represent a kind of reform at this point.

    "Kind of" isn't reform though. Reform means the complete change of big picture stuff on an institutional level. Universal healthcare, gun control, ending a war, regulating Wall St, economical reform, educational changes like college fees etc. Big broad life changing policies.

    So far, Bidens message just seems to be "Vote for me, I'm nicer than Trump". Meaning the election is focused on Trump either way.

    But we've still a bit to go and Im hoping the Dems have a proper rollout policy in place and we're only seeing fluffy stuff so far. Biden did come out against the NRA yesterday so maybe we'll start see him get serious now.


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    #7414
    LessOutragePlz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    Overheal wrote: »
    You linked to whitehouse.gov is that the dark side?

    You’ve stopped making much sense in your last few posts.

    You asked if it is hard to be informed on what QAnon posts that was my response. I linked the Whitehouse page in response to a different question I was asked.


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    #7415
    dwayneshintzy
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    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    He has built the wall as promised.

    He has drained the swamp and exposed the deep state as promised.

    He has Made America Great Again as promised.

    I believe that will continue to Keep America Great for another 4 years or at least do a better job of doing so than Biden would.
    In what way is America currently great, that was not true in 2016?


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    #7416
    weisses
    Registered Users Posts: 9,483 ✭✭✭weisses


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    If a person believes that he has lived up to his previous campaign promise of Making America Great Again and they believe that he will continue to keep America Great or at least do a better job than Biden of doing so.

    Is that reasoning flawed?

    There is nothing wrong or flawed If you believe that to be the case. As long as you don't present your believes as being factual.


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    #7417
    weisses
    Registered Users Posts: 9,483 ✭✭✭weisses


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    It's a bit outdated but still relevant IMO.

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-donald-j-trump-delivered-record-breaking-results-american-people-first-three-years-office/

    See ... That is the issue with your claim. WH spin vs factcheck

    https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/feb/06/donald-trump/trumps-state-union-claim-welfare-food-stamp-declin/


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    #7418
    namloc1980
    Registered Users Posts: 18,308 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    He has built the wall as promised.

    He has drained the swamp and exposed the deep state as promised.

    He has Made America Great Again as promised.

    I believe that will continue to Keep America Great for another 4 years or at least do a better job of doing so than Biden would.

    No he hasn't and Mexico didn't pay for the bits that were built either as he promised.

    He indulged in the swamp. Golf trips to his own resorts costing the tax payers money directly into his pocket / hired a bunch of criminals on his staff and billionaires to his cabinet.

    Massive unemployment / 200k dead from a catastrophic response to the virus etc. You might think that's great but it's more in the total disaster bracket.


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    #7419
    [Deleted User]
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    namloc1980 wrote: »
    No he hasn't and Mexico didn't pay for the bits that were built either as he promised.

    He indulged in the swamp. Golf trips to his own resorts costing the tax payers money directly into his pocket / hired a bunch of criminals on his staff and billionaires to his cabinet.

    Massive unemployment / 200k dead from a catastrophic response to the virus etc. You might think that's great but it's more in the total disaster bracket.

    Ah but he's owning the left etc apparently according to his supporters, and even at that he seems to be failing at this


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    #7420
    gmisk
    Registered Users Posts: 33,134 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    No he hasn't and Mexico didn't pay for the bits that were built either as he promised.

    He indulged in the swamp. Golf trips to his own resorts costing the tax payers money directly into his pocket / hired a bunch of criminals on his staff and billionaires to his cabinet.

    Massive unemployment / 200k dead from a catastrophic response to the virus etc. You might think that's great but it's more in the total disaster bracket.
    Didn't trump jr also campaign as part of the "we build the wall" project/scam? Along with a lot of Trump's other mates?
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/20/politics/bannon-build-the-wall-indictment/index.html
    4 charged with fraud so far

    This is an excellent watch on the border wall or as Trump puts it "the super duper wall"...it's been a flop unsurprisingly, parts of it collapsing, new sections also easy to get over.... but it has helped line the pockets of a lot of Trump's supporters...standard
    https://youtu.be/3ZRE6uVMDAo


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    #7421
    dark crystal
    Registered Users Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    He has built the wall as promised.

    Lol. According to CBP, 317 miles had been completed by September 8. As of May 2020, only 16 miles out of 194 miles of wall constructed under the Trump administration was not replacement fencing. He said Mexico would pay for it, however, that didn't happen. Trump's wall will cost the American taxpayer an estimated $45 billion.
    According to a 2020 study, the potential welfare benefits from constructing Trump's proposed border wall (if illegal immigration is reduced massively, with potential increases in the wages of local American low-skilled workers) are substantially smaller than the cost of constructing the wall.
    Additionally, a private organization called We Build The Wall constructed 0.5 miles (0.80 km) of new wall on private property near El Paso, Texas, with Trump's encouragement. By August 2020, some of its leaders, including Steve Bannon, were arrested on allegations of defrauding hundreds of thousands of dollars. This case is ongoing.

    What a success that wall has been!
    He has drained the swamp and exposed the deep state as promised.

    Drained the swamp?? He has a number of his children and in-laws working in his administration, none of whom have a notion how to run a bath, let alone the roles they've been gifted. How is that level of nepotism 'draining the swamp'?

    To date, at least 7 of Trump's associates have been arrested and/or indicted. These include Steve Bannon, Paul Manafort, Rick Gates, Roger Stone, Michael Flynn, Michael Cohen and George Papadopoulos. The only swamp being drained belongs to Trump himself. Trump himself has been impeached.

    Exposed the deep state? What exactly do you believe the deep state is and how has he exposed it?
    He has Made America Great Again as promised.

    I believe that will continue to Keep America Great for another 4 years or at least do a better job of doing so than Biden would.

    Made America great?! 194k deaths from Coronavirus. Protests on the streets. 18 million Americans unemployed. California skies are filled with smoke from widespread wildfires.

    Yeah, it's the sort of Utopian existence we all dream of living in...

    :rolleyes:


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    #7422
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    No doubt this situation will form part of the election narrative.

    BLM riots have broken out in Pennsylvania after a person of color was shot dead by police. The deceased, Ricardo Munoz, had a violent criminal history.

    Police were called to a domestic disturbance and upon arriving, were charged at by Munoz who was wielding a large knife. The officer tried to get away but Munoz was too fast, meaning the officer had no choice but to shoot. The whole incident was caught on bodycam and the footage has been released.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/14/ricardo-munoz-shooting-death-police-protests-pennsylvania

    After a Pennsylvania police officer fatally shot a man during a domestic disturbance call on Sunday afternoon, street protests were dispersed with teargas.

    Not sure why they are being refereed to as "protests", they are clearly riots...

    Hundreds took to the streets of Lancaster following the shooting, a crowd forming outside the police station. The department said multiple buildings and government vehicles were damaged.

    Some footage of the riots:



    Here is a video of the shooting (warning disturbing content):



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    #7423
    DangerScouse
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 466 ✭✭DangerScouse


    I see the president has accepted to take part in an extra debate hosted by Joe Rogan but Biden had refused to comment yet.


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    #7424
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    Regarding the Ricardo Munoz situation. I think it is very unfortunate that the man has died. I wish it could have been different. However, it is my opinion that he should have been shot in the circumstances he put himself into. The officer had no choice but to shoot, it is as clear as day from the footage. There is no need for the protests/riots in PA, this man was not shot because of his race.


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    #7425
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,597 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    DangerScouse wrote: »
    I see the president has accepted to take part in an extra debate hosted by Joe Rogan but Biden had refused to comment yet.

    If course the clown wants to be front and centre when the circus comes to town, Biden should just say "No thanks, The three planned debates are enough" and leave it at that.


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    #7426
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    DangerScouse wrote: »
    I see the president has accepted to take part in an extra debate hosted by Joe Rogan but Biden had refused to comment yet.

    Indeed, more info:

    https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/516288-trump-says-hes-interested-in-debate-hosted-by-joe-rogan


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    #7427
    Overheal
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    DangerScouse wrote: »
    I see the president has accepted to take part in an extra debate hosted by Joe Rogan but Biden had refused to comment yet.

    One of the dumbest things I’ve heard this cycle. Trump however is clearly strangely eager as an incumbent to get as much debate time in as he can, knowing he will lose this race outright if he fails at the debates.

    Trump flustering about such as hoc debates is nothing new: he famously challenged Bernie to a 1v1 debate during the primaries in 2016 being vocal in his belief Bernie wouldn’t accept. To his chagrin, Bernie absolutely did accept his offer, to which Trump instantly backpedaled.

    All Trump does with these silly ideas is feed meat to plebs.


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    #7428
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Biden should just say "No thanks, The three planned debates are enough" and leave it at that.


    In your opinion, what would be the harm of him doing the extra debate?


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    #7429
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,539 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    In your opinion, what would be the harm of him doing the extra debate?

    It’s a podcast. This is not seriously up for consideration.

    The best organization to handle presidential debates is the Cmte for Presidential Debates.


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    #7430
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    Overheal wrote: »
    One of the dumbest things I’ve heard this cycle.


    Could you explain why you think it is dumb? I' dont understand what is dumb about asking for an extra debate. Surly it is good for the voters? Especially if it were to be hosted by Joe Rogan who has a massive, young audience. It could increase voter turnout massively.


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    #7431
    dark crystal
    Registered Users Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    DangerScouse wrote: »
    I see the president has accepted to take part in an extra debate hosted by Joe Rogan but Biden had refused to comment yet.

    Joe Rogan? Sweet Jesus. Is this election not enough of a circus already?

    Surely Joe Biden's suggestion of a rolling fact checker during the debates would be more helpful for voters? Funnily enough, Trump has refused to comment on that suggestion.


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    #7432
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,539 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Could you explain why you think it is dumb? I' dont understand what is dumb about asking for an extra debate. Surly it is good for the voters? Especially if it were to be hosted by Joe Rogan who has a massive, young audience. It could increase voter turnout massively.

    I already did. It’s not a serious idea.


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    #7433
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,597 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    In your opinion, what would be the harm of him doing the extra debate?

    Why give Trump the air time to shout and waffle? Why bow to his requests?


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    #7434
    duploelabs
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    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Could you explain why you think it is dumb? I' dont understand what is dumb about asking for an extra debate. Surly it is good for the voters? Especially if it were to be hosted by Joe Rogan who has a massive, young audience. It could increase voter turnout massively.

    Even the fact that it's hosted by Joe Rogan should be dismissed immediately. He is a woeful broadcaster, and despite his popularity, has the credibility of Rush/Jones


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    #7435
    rosser44
    Registered Users Posts: 571 ✭✭✭rosser44


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    He has built the wall as promised.

    He has drained the swamp and exposed the deep state as promised.

    He has Made America Great Again as promised.

    I believe that will continue to Keep America Great for another 4 years or at least do a better job of doing so than Biden would.

    This is beyond delusional stuff, nothing more than sloganeering.


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    #7436
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,375 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Could you explain why you think it is dumb? I' dont understand what is dumb about asking for an extra debate. Surly it is good for the voters? Especially if it were to be hosted by Joe Rogan who has a massive, young audience. It could increase voter turnout massively.

    Rogan disqualified himself as a moderator in April when he said he would vote for Trump rather than Biden.


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    #7437
    eire4
    Registered Users Posts: 6,728 ✭✭✭eire4


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    Ah but he's owning the left etc apparently according to his supporters, and even at that he seems to be failing at this

    Always cracks me up listening to Americans talking about the left there as if they had one. The Democrats economically are at best centre right.


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    #7438
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Rogan disqualified himself as a moderator in April when he said he would vote for Trump rather than Biden.

    Didnt know that


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    #7439
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,597 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    rosser44 wrote: »
    This is beyond delusional stuff, nothing more than sloganeering.

    Thats one way of putting it ;)


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    #7440
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,375 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Didnt know that

    Here's the quote:

    “I’d rather vote for Trump than Biden, I don’t think Biden can handle anything. You’re relying entirely on his cabinet. If you want to talk about an individual leader who can communicate, he can’t do that. And we don’t know what the fúck he’ll be like after a year in office."

    Would make his moderation seem ever so slightly biased.


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    #7441
    briany
    Registered Users Posts: 14,037 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I like Joe Rogan's podcast, but I can imagine him skinning up halfway through a debate and letting his sidekick Eddie Bravo ask questions such as, "Dude, which one of you guys would tell us where the aliens are?"


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