2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

Igotadose

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

I don't believe something just because it's said in public plenty of lies are told in public and behind closed doors.

And if she were to come up with a tape? Like, say, Bob Woodward did?

If you were eligible, would you then vote for Trump?

duploelabs

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

I don't believe something just because it's said in public plenty of lies are told in public and behind closed doors.

What makes you believe they're lies? Do we have to go down the route of explaining what confirmation bias is?

Leroy42

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

True and maybe she is lying so it's up to each individual person to decide who they are going to believe.

I think it's safe to say that Trump supporters are going to believe his version of the events rather than her version of them.

Its not whether one believes one version or the other, it is the basis for that belief.

We know that Trumps no 1 concern was, as is, the economy. We know he is getting his supporters to ignore guidelines to attend his rallies. We know he has attempted to blame the situation on Blue States.

We know hw constantly refutes medical advice. We know he said it would just go away.

It took him months to wear a mask.

We know all this so it is more likely, though of course not certain, than her take on the events are true.

We also know she quit her job, so something was up.

What reason do you have to dismiss all of that based on the word of a single WH employee,

LessOutragePlz

Igotadose wrote: »

And if she were to come up with a tape? Like, say, Bob Woodward did?

If you were eligible, would you then vote for Trump?

Yeah I would still vote for Trump because I could never vote for Biden and not voting isn't an option for me.

LessOutragePlz

duploelabs wrote: »

What makes you believe they're lies? Do we have to go down the route of explaining what confirmation bias is?

It's been explained to me already I'm happily in my Trump is great bubble.

LessOutragePlz

Leroy42 wrote: »

Its not whether one believes one version or the other, it is the basis for that belief.

We know that Trumps no 1 concern was, as is, the economy. We know he is getting his supporters to ignore guidelines to attend his rallies. We know he has attempted to blame the situation on Blue States.

We know hw constantly refutes medical advice. We know he said it would just go away.

It took him months to wear a mask.

We know all this so it is more likely, though of course not certain, than her take on the events are true.

We also know she quit her job, so something was up.

What reason do you have to dismiss all of that based on the word of a single WH employee,

The reason I have to dismiss all of that based on the word of a single WH employee is that I am already suspicious of the timing of these statements it being less than 7 weeks before the election and I'm just more inclined to believe his version of events rather than hers.

biko

American US TV legend Jimmy Carson on Trump and Biden back in the day

https://twitter.com/i/status/1306784940009435142

LessOutragePlz

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

The reason I have to dismiss all of that based on the word of a single WH employee is that I am already suspicious of the timing of these statements it being less than 7 weeks before the election and I'm just more inclined to believe his version of events rather than hers.

The thing is, it's pretty consistent with all the other ridiculous stuff he says.

duploelabs

biko wrote: »

American US TV legend Jimmy Carson on Trump and Biden back in the day

https://twitter.com/i/status/1306784940009435142

That's the best you can do??

ohnonotgmail

duploelabs wrote: »

That's the best you can do??

the geraldo riviera joke was funny.

dwayneshintzy

Johnny Carson....

ohnonotgmail

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

Johnny Carson....

LOL. never copped that

Leroy42

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

The reason I have to dismiss all of that based on the word of a single WH employee is that I am already suspicious of the timing of these statements it being less than 7 weeks before the election and I'm just more inclined to believe his version of events rather than hers.

Well, the virus is only there since January, and she only left the job in July!

Why are you more inclined? I pointed out the other evidence, but you prefer to believe this guy you now nothing about. Based on what?

We have heard from so many previous employees as well about his failure to deal with things, failure to read the briefs, wanting everything to be about him.

But why all of a sudden do you care who is telling the truth? You know Trump lies all the time but you don't hold that against him, truth doesn't matter does it? Or does it only matter when its against Trump?

But wait, there is more. This interview is on CNN, which we all know you don't trust anything they say and never watch. How can you possibly believe this interview?

namloc1980

Biden's townhall went well. Pretty standard fare and not a complete shambles like the Trump one. Looks like the main attack points from the Trumpists are that Biden got within 6 feet of Anderson Cooper on the stage - the irony being Trump hosting mega super spreader events with no social distancing at all. And the other angle is just straight up manipulation of video like this pathetic effort by the official Trump campaign twitter account. Absolutely embarrassing.

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ohnonotgmail

namloc1980 wrote: »

Biden's townhall went well. Pretty standard fare and not a complete shambles like the Trump one. Looks like the main attack points from the Trumpists are that Biden got within 6 feet of Anderson Cooper on the stage - the irony being Trump hosting mega super spreader events with no social distancing at all. And the other angle is just straight up manipulation of video like this pathetic effort by the official Trump campaign twitter account. Absolutely embarrassing.

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jeez that is embarrassing.

namloc1980

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

jeez that is embarrassing.

Biden had a very embarrassing senior moment which clearly showed his dementia when he discussed the principle biological methods of two possible vaccines (RNA/DNA molecular structure versus immune system enhancement) and also details of the chemical specifics in how they have to be stored and transported. Morto for him and not a patch on Trump's intellectual "herd mentality" statement. :pac:

Pedro K

Does anybody know where one can watch the whole Trump Town Hall with ABC?

LessOutragePlz

Leroy42 wrote: »

Well, the virus is only there since January, and she only left the job in July!

Why are you more inclined? I pointed out the other evidence, but you prefer to believe this guy you now nothing about. Based on what?

We have heard from so many previous employees as well about his failure to deal with things, failure to read the briefs, wanting everything to be about him.

But why all of a sudden do you care who is telling the truth? You know Trump lies all the time but you don't hold that against him, truth doesn't matter does it? Or does it only matter when its against Trump?

But wait, there is more. This interview is on CNN, which we all know you don't trust anything they say and never watch. How can you possibly believe this interview?

It's not caring about who is telling the truth because for all we know they could both be lying. It's about who am I more inclined to believe and in this instance I believe his version of events, simple as.

As for it being on CNN, it's an interview with a person so CNN aren't saying anything in this instance as it's not a CNN reporter or employee speaking. It's the person speaking that I am interested in not the medium that it is being delivered through.

Leroy42

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

It's not caring about who is telling the truth because for all we know they could both be lying. It's about who am I more inclined to believe and in this instance I believe his version of events, simple as.

As for it being on CNN, it's an interview with a person so CNN aren't saying anything in this instance as it's not a CNN reporter or employee speaking. It's the person speaking that I am interested in not the medium that it is being delivered through.

Right, so you accept that not everything that is on CNN is fake news then? Is that your new position?

They cannot both be lying, as one is contradicing the other. Either she is telling the truth, or he is.

You seemingly choose to believe him, rather than her, because it suits your position of favouring Trump. Which is quite a position to take since you are so against the baised MSM, but happily exercise the exact thing you seem to have an issue with.

duploelabs

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

It's not caring about who is telling the truth because for all we know they could both be lying. It's about who am I more inclined to believe and in this instance I believe his version of events, simple as.

As for it being on CNN, it's an interview with a person so CNN aren't saying anything in this instance as it's not a CNN reporter or employee speaking. It's the person speaking that I am interested in not the medium that it is being delivered through.

What does Trump do when someone speaks out against him, whether those accusations be true or not? Look at what happened to Alexander Vidman. Do you think that is an environment that encourages people to speak out when they have concerns. That whistleblower had nothing to gain but everything to lose

Igotadose

namloc1980 wrote: »

Biden's townhall went well. Pretty standard fare and not a complete shambles like the Trump one. Looks like the main attack points from the Trumpists are that Biden got within 6 feet of Anderson Cooper on the stage - the irony being Trump hosting mega super spreader events with no social distancing at all. And the other angle is just straight up manipulation of video like this pathetic effort by the official Trump campaign twitter account. Absolutely embarrassing.

This blogger, a long-time rabid anti-Trumper, did capture the disease hypocrisy inherent in the #IMPOTUS behavior at his Nuremberg rallies and cheered on by his clapping seals:

"The next governor who doesn't want Donald Trump to have one of his experimental virus incubator rallies should insist that they'll allow it on one condition: Trump has to descend from the podium and greet people. No f***** mask. No f****** gloves. He has to walk among the unwashed, untested, unsafe masses and inhale their stench and, possibly, their disease. That's it. You do that, *************, and you go right on and encourage your followers to play death-virus roulette."

https://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2020/09/trump-in-battle-to-death-our-deaths-not.html

Overheal

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Yeah I would still vote for Trump because I could never vote for Biden and not voting isn't an option for me.

Why couldn’t you vote for Biden?

Overheal

Pedro K wrote: »

Does anybody know where one can watch the whole Trump Town Hall with ABC?

I linked to all the QA clips earlier in the thread, on the night in question about one hour behind broadcast if you want to scroll back

Danzy

Overheal wrote: »

Why couldn’t you vote for Biden?

Maybe he is working class.

Overheal

Danzy wrote: »

Maybe he is working class.

That’s no answer. I’m working class and millions of working class Americans will be voting for him. I’d like to hear from the poster who said it thanks

TheRepentent

President Turd has won an Ig Nobel prize (well he shares the prize with a few other fukwits ) so another feather in his cap .
https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/09/bellowing-alligators-and-frozen-poop-knives-the-2020-ig-nobel-prizes/

MEDICAL EDUCATION

Citation: "Jair Bolsonaro of Brazil, Boris Johnson of the United Kingdom, Narendra Modi of India, Andrés Manuel López Obrador of Mexico, Alexander Lukashenko of Belarus, Donald Trump of the USA, Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey, Vladimir Putin of Russia, and Gurbanguly Berdimuhamedow of Turkmenistan, for using the COVID-19 viral pandemic to teach the world that politicians can have a more immediate effect on life and death than scientists and doctors can."

"The citation tells the story, which is both large and simple," master of ceremonies (and editor of the magazine Annals of Improbable Research) Marc Abraham told Ars about this prize. "Part of what we're doing, always, is trying to make it easy for people to start thinking about, and really discussing factual things. Sometimes a little vagueness makes it easier for them to spark a good discussion." So what do all the aforementioned countries have in common? National leaders who ignored scientific expertise, instituting disastrous policies for dealing with a global pandemic. The result: those countries combined have over 18 million confirmed COVID-19 cases and more than a half-million deaths to date—and counting. (The US alone accounts for nearly 200,000 of those deaths.) "Especially in this case we hope people will discuss the difference a single decision has made and also might still make as things continue to unfold," Abraham added.

LessOutragePlz

Overheal wrote: »

Why couldn’t you vote for Biden?

I think he's a terrible candidate 40+ years in public office and what has he achieved?

Therefore, I don't see how he will be able to achieve anything if he's given the chance to be president.

I'm not saying that Trump is a way better candidate either as he clearly has his own faults.

This presidential election is like that south park episode when they had 2 options to choose from: A Giant Douche or a Turd Sandwich.

Igotadose

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

I think he's a terrible candidate 40+ years in public office and what has he achieved?

Therefore, I don't see how he will be able to achieve anything if he's given the chance to be president.

I'm not saying that Trump is a way better candidate either he clearly has his faults.

This presidential election is like that south park episode when they had 2 options to choose from: A Giant Douche or a Turd Sandwich.

You really should familiarize yourself with the US system of government.

Biden's a Senator. "Achieved" is a tough one, as it's up to Congress to pass legislation a Senator might introduce. Like the ADA, which Biden championed. Or the ppACA which he helped get votes for.

But, you're right, there's currently a Turd Sandwich in the WH that needs badly to be flushed. Even Mr. Cranky the Christmas Poo would be better.

LessOutragePlz

Igotadose wrote: »

You really should familiarize yourself with the US system of government.

Biden's a Senator. "Achieved" is a tough one, as it's up to Congress to pass legislation a Senator might introduce. Like the ADA, which Biden championed. Or the ppACA which he helped get votes for.

But, you're right, there's currently a Turd Sandwich in the WH that needs badly to be flushed. Even Mr. Cranky the Christmas Poo would be better.

That last paragraph made me chuckle

Quin_Dub

Danzy wrote: »

Maybe he is working class.

Why?

Did Trump or the GOP do something to help the Working class that I missed?

Because they are worse off under Trump than there were under Obama

More than half of Americans had to make ends meet in 2018 on less money than in 2016, analysis of new income and tax data shows.


The nearly 87 million taxpayers making less than $50,000 had to get by in 2018 on $307 less per household than in 2016, the year before Trump took office.

That 57% of American households were better off under Obama contradicts Trump's often-repeated claim he created the best economy ever until the pandemic.

But for the wealthy??

Those making $50,000 to $100,000 for example, paid just three-fourths of 1 percentage point less of their incomes to our federal government. People making $2 million to $2.5 million saw their effective tax rate fall by about three times that much.

Now let's compare two groups, those making $50,000 to $100,000 and those declaring $500,000 to $1 million. The second group averaged nine times as much income as the first group in 2018.

Under the Trump tax law, the first group's annual income taxes declined on average by $143, while the second group's tax reduction averaged $17,800.

Put another way, a group that made nine times as much money enjoyed about 125 times as much in income tax savings.