2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

DraftDodger

extra gravy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1310326277216362497?s=19

Pays less tax than a teenager working a summer job. What a patriot.

That will actually play well with his base tbh.

Tell me how

DrumSteve wrote: »

Tbf, this all means absolutely nothing.

The people who are going to vote for him will still vote for him

DraftDodger wrote: »

That will actually play well with his base tbh.

True. 40% of the electorate are always going to vote for him.
And 40% of the electorate are always going to vote for Biden.

What is in play is those from the remaining 20% who are likely to be somewhat malleable in their allegiance which might be only 10% or so of the total electorate.

How do you think these people will have viewed the last 4 years and revelations such as this and his comments on withholding the dangers of Covid and how he feels about dead soldiers?

ohnonotgmail

DraftDodger wrote: »

That will actually play well with his base tbh.

uneducated whites? yeah, it quite possibly will.

Kidchameleon

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Where did the NYT get the figures? Could they be made up?

Look missus, I know trump fans can't seem to go to long without uttering main stream media blah blah, but do you think that their legal team wouldn't have checked this over and back before allowing this to go to publishing so not to leave themselves open to lawsuits?

Timberrrrrrrr

namloc1980 wrote: »

It'll be along the lines of: ah shur every wealthy person doesn't pay tax, this is grand.

Didnt one of them once claim its every American patriot duty or something to avoid paying taxes.... something along those lines anyway.

Richard Hillman

I dont know the details but he has declined his presidential salary and has removed himself from his businesses to avoid a conflict of interest. I'm not sure what his actual earnings would be.

DubInMeath

DubInMeath wrote: »

Look missus, I know trump fans can't seem to go to long without uttering main stream media blah blah, but do you think that their legal team wouldn't have checked this over and back before allowing this to go to publishing so not to leave themselves open to lawsuits?

Yep, in all likelihood they've had lawyers going over it for months. The story becomes a legal liability to simply make it up. One stand out from the story is that he's got hundreds of millions worth of debts that he'll have to pay back in the next 4 years. Plus there's the issue of some 70 million dollars that he may owe the IRS for tax refunds he wasn't eligible for. That case would likely be unfrozen if he left office.

extra gravy

"Within the next four years, more than $300 million in loans — obligations for which he is personally responsible — will come due."

The Russians are coming...

Cody montana

extra gravy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1310326277216362497?s=19

Pays less tax than a teenager working a summer job. What a patriot.

I wonder is he bankrupt?

Scuid Mhór

This report just vindicates everything that anyone with any common sense whatsoever has presumed to be true for the last couple of years regardless. Sweet, sweet vindication. I'd say the NYT has been waiting to post this for months if not years.

namloc1980

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Didnt one of them once claim its every American patriot duty or something to avoid paying taxes.... something along those lines anyway.

Yeah that's right. I do wonder what it would take for Trump to do for one of his devotees to finally say, you know what he's actually gone too far this time. I actually don't think there's anything he could do that they wouldn't excuse.

Back to his taxes. It shows his schtick about him being a great businessman is a load of crap. Once again the emperor has no clothes.

namloc1980

Richard Hillman wrote: »

I dont know the details but he has declined his presidential salary and has removed himself from his businesses to avoid a conflict of interest. I'm not sure what his actual earnings would be.

He paid no taxes in 11 of the 18 years examined. Almost all the revelations in the Times article are before him being elected.

ohnonotgmail

Richard Hillman wrote: »

I dont know the details but he has declined his presidential salary and has removed himself from his businesses to avoid a conflict of interest. I'm not sure what his actual earnings would be.

he says he has removed himself from his businesses and as we all know he is remarkably honest.

Cody montana

He’s also racked up a 7 Trillion deficit in 4 years in the USA.
And they want another 4 years of this.

namloc1980

Cody montana wrote: »

I wonder is he bankrupt?

Seemingly he has $400m+ in loans due to mature in the next few years. That'll be fun.

ohnonotgmail

namloc1980 wrote: »

Yeah that's right. I do wonder what it would take for Trump to do for one of his devotees to finally say, you know what he's actually gone too far this time. I actually don't think there's anything he could do that they wouldn't excuse.

there isn't. their support for him is based on mutual hate.

Richard Hillman

Richard Hillman wrote: »

I dont know the details but he has declined his presidential salary and has removed himself from his businesses to avoid a conflict of interest. I'm not sure what his actual earnings would be.

Weird, he's profiteered plenty via his presidency as detailed in the article. Probably good to get the details first.

Muahahaha

DrumSteve wrote: »

Tbf, this all means absolutely nothing.

The people who are going to vote for him will still vote for him

His base are locked in no matter what, even if he shoots one of them on 5th Avenue as he said himself. But if Biden calls him out during the debate for only paying $750 in federal taxes it will be interesting to hear Trumps answer. If he denies he only paid $750 then the simple response is to prove it and call on him to release his tax returns just as Biden has done and every other Presidential candidate since the 80s.

LuckyLloyd

Richard Hillman wrote: »

I dont know the details but he has declined his presidential salary and has removed himself from his businesses to avoid a conflict of interest. I'm not sure what his actual earnings would be.

Here's some details:

"This time around, he is personally responsible for loans and other debts totaling $421 million, with most of it coming due within four years. Should he win re-election, his lenders could be placed in the unprecedented position of weighing whether to foreclose on a sitting president."

He loses money most years too and doesn't end up owing any tax. He's broke, just like was always suspected.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yep, in all likelihood they've had lawyers going over it for months. The story becomes a legal liability to simply make it up. One stand out from the story is that he's got hundreds of millions worth of debts that he'll have to pay back in the next 4 years. Plus there's the issue of some 70 million dollars that he may owe the IRS for tax refunds he wasn't eligible for. That case would likely be unfrozen if he left office.

I know newspapers and T.V. news can get details wrong at times and have to issue a retraction, or just left with an embarrassment (Dewey defeats Truman); But if they didn't, they would have to be one of the stupidest newspaper editorial team in the world.

namloc1980

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He was asked about the tax story and basically just spoofed an answer without denying the Times story.

Also asked about the Armenia-Azerbaijan situation and as we've known all along he has no grasp on policy whatsoever. Not a rashers and just says he is looking into it "very strongly".

DubInMeath

DubInMeath wrote: »

I know newspapers and T.V. news can get details wrong at times and have to issue a retraction, or just left with an embarrassment (Dewey defeats Truman); But if they didn't, they would have to be one of the stupidest newspaper editorial team in the world.

Was reading the Farrow book on Weinstein recently and the amount of times the story went back and forth with publications. Say this is close to water tight.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Was reading the Farrow book on Weinstein recently and the amount of times the story went back and forth with publications. Say this is close to water tight.

Wonder if certain posters are going back through their post history trying to delete the "he's a successful business man" statements?

Cody montana

NY times has more stuff to come out as well.

In fairness, we haven’t had a huge scandal in about a week.
This will do nicely.

Scuid Mhór

Cody montana wrote: »

NY times has more stuff to come out as well.

In fairness, we haven’t had a huge scandal in about a week.
This will do nicely.

I would imagine there is a strong chance that there are several more explosive revelations due to come out as a consorted effort amongst the Times, the Washington Post, etc, not necessarily having to be related to tax returns either. This could amount to a great journalistic hit campaign on the eve of the election if I'm correct. The next few weeks are going to be pretty interesting.

Cody montana

Scuid Mhór wrote: »

I would imagine there is a strong chance that there are several more explosive revelations due to come out as a consorted effort amongst the Times, the Washington Post, etc, not necessarily having to be related to tax returns either. This could amount to a great journalistic hit campaign on the eve of the election if I'm correct. The next few weeks are going to be pretty interesting.

Hopefully.

The next question is, where is he getting his money from?

namloc1980

Scuid Mhór wrote: »

I would imagine there is a strong chance that there are several more explosive revelations due to come out as a consorted effort amongst the Times, the Washington Post, etc, not necessarily having to be related to tax returns either. This could amount to a great journalistic hit campaign on the eve of the election if I'm correct. The next few weeks are going to be pretty interesting.

4 years of calling them fake news and the enemy of the people coming home to roost.

Tell me how

Cody montana wrote: »

Hopefully.

The next question is, where is he getting his money from?

Link

Eric Trump in 2014: 'We have all the funding we need out of Russia'

dark crystal

Cody montana wrote: »

Hopefully.

The next question is, where is he getting his money from?

Deutsche Bank, apparantly.

Trump personally guaranteed $400 million in loans due by 2022, is battling IRS over a $72 million refund, and is declaring losses in almost all his businesses.

He is close to owing $500 million—personally. Why did Deutsche Bank lend him billions?

Muahahaha

Scuid Mhór wrote: »

I would imagine there is a strong chance that there are several more explosive revelations due to come out as a consorted effort amongst the Times, the Washington Post, etc, not necessarily having to be related to tax returns either. This could amount to a great journalistic hit campaign on the eve of the election if I'm correct. The next few weeks are going to be pretty interesting.

From the article
"This article offers an overview of The Times’s findings; additional articles will be published in the coming weeks."

Its going to be a drip drip strategy by the NYT designed for maximum damage on Trump. New revelations coming out every few days with Trump constantly explaining in press conferences and during the three debates. Heres hoping it concludes with them publishing a copy of the physical tax return that shows he only paid $750 in federal taxes the year he became president.