2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

lawrencesummers

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you're really not.

(Ahhh playground rules)


Yes I am.

jill_valentine

lawrencesummers wrote: »

I suppose the donations the financial sector in the US make to presidental candidates is an inconvenience to your argument?

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/11/bankers-back-biden-trump-393297

It's not even relevant to anything I said, so no. No amount of pretending apples are oranges will distract from that, this man is radioactive in corporate terms because anything you let him near would be considered at risk.

Somebody in a hair of this much hard debt would be screened out of a job in Dealz because they'd be considered too much of a liability, you couldn't trust him not to give his loan shark the blind eye to fleece the store.

He couldn't get a job as a cleaner in most offices because he could be used to case the place.

He couldn't get a job as a security guard to a warehouse, because he could be used as a wedge for thieves to get in.

He could not get so much as a job on a factory production line nowadays because he could be used to steal corporate secrets.

And on and on and on.

Somebody in this much debt is considered inherently compromised no matter how morally upright they might have been in other circumstances, dangerous to any institution they're involved in, because they will always be an obvious entry point for further bad actors.

ohnonotgmail

jill_valentine wrote: »

It's not even relevant to anything I said, so no. No amount of pretending apples are oranges will distract from that, this man is radioactive in corporate terms because anything you let him near would be considered at risk.

Somebody in a hair of this much hard debt would be screened out of a job in Dealz because they'd be considered too much of a liability, you couldn't trust him not to give his loan shark the blind eye to fleece the store.

He couldn't get a job as a cleaner in most offices because he could be used to case the place.

He couldn't get a job as a security guard to a warehouse, because he could be used as a wedge for thieves to get in.

He could not get so much as a job on a factory production line nowadays because he could be used to steal corporate secrets.

And on and on and on.

Somebody in this much debt is considered inherently untrustworthy no matter how morally upright they might have been otherwise, dangerous to any institution they're involved in, because they will always be dangerously compromised and an obvious entry point for further bad actors.

they dont care about any of that. they only care about owning the libs.

mcmoustache

biko wrote: »

A ballot-harvesting racket in Democratic Rep. Ilhan Omar’s Minneapolis district — where paid workers illegally gather absentee ballots from elderly Somali immigrants — appears to have been busted by undercover news organization Project Veritas.

One alleged ballot harvester, Liban Mohamed, the brother of Minneapolis city council member Jamal Osman, is shown in a bombshell Snapchat video rifling through piles of ballots strewn across his dashboard.

https://nypost.com/2020/09/27/project-veritas-uncovers-ballot-harvesting-fraud-in-minnesota/

Project Veritas, like any other media with "Truth" in their name, have a very lax relationship with the truth. O Keefe's reputation isn't great and these days, the only people to take his videos seriously are the types of people who's twitter feed is full of conspiracy theorists and other assorted loons.

Come to think of it, didn't you fall for a tweet by some conspiracy loon a few weeks ago and then post it in one of these threads?

DraftDodger

mcmoustache wrote: »

Project Veritas, like any other media with "Truth" in their name, have a very lax relationship with the truth. O Keefe's reputation isn't great and these days, the only people to take his videos seriously are the types of people who's twitter feed is full of conspiracy theorists and other assorted loons.

Come to think of it, didn't you fall for a tweet by some conspiracy loon a few weeks ago and then post it in one of these threads?

Of course the likes of CNN and Fox are bastion's of truth

dwayneshintzy

The likes of James O'Keefe and Jacob Wohl are not journalists, and nothing they do can be trusted or taken at face value..

lawrencesummers

jill_valentine wrote: »

It's not even relevant to anything I said, so no. No amount of pretending apples are oranges will distract from that, this man is radioactive in corporate terms because anything you let him near would be considered at risk.

Somebody in a hair of this much hard debt would be screened out of a job in Dealz because they'd be considered too much of a liability, you couldn't trust him not to give his loan shark the blind eye to fleece the store.

He couldn't get a job as a cleaner in most offices because he could be used to case the place.

He couldn't get a job as a security guard to a warehouse, because he could be used as a wedge for thieves to get in.

He could not get so much as a job on a factory production line nowadays because he could be used to steal corporate secrets.

And on and on and on.

Somebody in this much debt is considered inherently compromised no matter how morally upright they might have been in other circumstances, dangerous to any institution they're involved in, because they will always be an obvious entry point for further bad actors.

It’s very relevant, you seem to be happy to speak for the banking sector and I’m pointing out the banking sector are happy to make donations to the man. So that kinda puts your ideological based argument to bed.

Sure in an ideal world nobody would do business with somebody like him.

But that’s not the world we live in.

mcmoustache

DraftDodger wrote: »

Of course the likes of CNN and Fox are bastion's of truth

Nobody said that but news organisations like Fox are very good when it comes to their factual reporting. They have a bias but a very high percentage of the factual statements on their straight news shows are accurate.

Project Veritas, on the other hand, is just a slightly more competent Jacob Wohl. They're up to the same shíte, that is to say hoaxing, but Wohl is woeful at it.

ohnonotgmail

lawrencesummers wrote: »

It’s very relevant, you seem to be happy to speak for the banking sector and I’m pointing out the banking sector are happy to make donations to the man. So that kinda puts your ideological based argument to bed.

Sure in an ideal world nobody would do business with somebody like him.

But that’s not the world we live in.

we know about the donations. they are also domestic. so at worst the president is wildly partisan which is nothing new. All american politics is built on donations and is partisan because of that. a president that is in the pocket of a foreign power is an entirely different matter and strangely you refuse to acknowledge that.

Leroy42

So banks won't hire a person in such debt because of the risks that are inherent in such a position but they will donate to him?

Bascially, that is telling you they are more than happy to use somebody like him to gain advantage, but won't take the risk themselves.

But once again you missing a vital component in all of this.


If Trump is now a failed businessman, what exactly is it that he brings to the table? He said he didn't need experience of politics because he was a successful businessman. That is false.

Think back to 2016. A broke Tonald Drump comes down an escalator and says that, despite being massively in debt, despite many of his business continuing to fail, and despite having no political experience or policies, he wants to be POTUS. How do you think the vast majority of people would have reacted?

So he cultivated this idea that he was indeed a success, which he levereaged his time on the Apprentice to garner, and that gave him enough in to be in the race. That all that has subsequently been shown to be a scam, a con, yet you seem to be suggested that none of it matters and that he should still be taken seriously.

Now, if by chance he had turned out to be a great POTUS then I could understand. If he had fixed healthcare, infrastructure, the national debt, the widening wealth gap. Sorted out gun violence, brought the country together etc then I could understand. Th eplucky outsider, gifted a chance normally reserved for others shows that talent out does everything.

But now of that happened. He hasn't achieved anything, and with knowledge of how his business failed it makes perfect sense why he failed as POTUS.

breezy1985

Can postal votes be sent in at any time in the US.i always assumed there was a time limit?

ohnonotgmail

breezy1985 wrote: »

Can postal votes be sent in at any time in the US.i always assumed there was a time limit?

postal voting in the US is state dependent.

lawrencesummers

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

we know about the donations. they are also domestic. so at worst the president is wildly partisan which is nothing new. All american politics is built on donations and is partisan because of that. a president that is in the pocket of a foreign power is an entirely different matter and strangely you refuse to acknowledge that.

Are you still on about the Borg?

jill_valentine

lawrencesummers wrote: »

It’s very relevant, you seem to be happy to speak for the banking sector and I’m pointing out the banking sector are happy to make donations to the man. So that kinda puts your ideological based argument to bed

Nothing to do with anything, and I already said it's not a moral issue. A donation is not a standing liability, it's fire and forget. It's the difference between handing a beggar a fiver vs giving them my credit card and telling them to buy a fiver's worth of stuff. I'm not going to humour you on this, no amount of clanging pots or nonsequiters together can obscure a 1.1 Billion dollar dog leash.

Nobody who is a billion dollars in debt gets to that point without everybody around them knowing it, btw. The GOP knowingly gave this man keys to the entire security apparatus of the United States with at least some of its leadership aware he was somebody else's financially wholly owned livestock.

ohnonotgmail

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Are you still on about the Borg?

are you going to spend all day posting like a child?

breezy1985

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

postal voting in the US is state dependent.

Fair enough I always thought that the ballots would only be sent out a few weeks before

ohnonotgmail

breezy1985 wrote: »

Fair enough I always thought that the ballots would only be sent out a few weeks before

went out weeks ago. already nearly 1M votes have been cast.

biko

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I see todays talikng point to distract from trumps taxes has been released

There is a separate thread for that discussion.
Why are you trying to divert attention from mail in fraud?

astrofool

jill_valentine wrote: »

Nothing to do with anything, and I already said it's not a moral issue. A donation is not a standing liability, it's fire and forget. It's the difference between handing a beggar a fiver vs giving them my credit card and telling them to buy a fiver's worth of stuff. I'm not going to humour you on this, no amount of clanging pots or nonsequiters together can obscure a 1.1 Billion dollar dog leash.

Nobody who is a billion dollars in debt gets to that point without everybody around them knowing it, btw. The GOP knowingly gave this man keys to the entire security apparatus of the United States with at least some of its leadership aware he was somebody else's financially wholly owned livestock.

The GOP fought tooth and nail to try and keep the nomination from him, the about face only came when he won. If he loses, or post second term, he'll be
by himself again.

ohnonotgmail

biko wrote: »

There is a separate thread for that discussion.
Why are you trying to divert attention from mail in fraud?

i was noting the coincidence, nothing more.

Timberrrrrrrr

biko wrote: »

There is a separate thread for that discussion.
Why are you trying to divert attention from ALLEGED mail in fraud?

Fixed that for you.


Some good questions asked here, click the thread for further questions that need to be asked.

https://twitter.com/bblock8/status/1310408599642857472?s=19


Also, Devin Nunes admitting here that the Republicans are taking part in ballot harvesting as it's the only way they can win.

https://twitter.com/SIERRAxGIRL/status/1310523864384860161?s=19

duploelabs

biko wrote: »

There is a separate thread for that discussion.
Why are you trying to divert attention from mail in fraud?

Exactly how many cases of mail in fraud in the last 20 years? Of the tens of millions of votes?

192 cases, that's all, 192 votes.
That's the word of the Heritage foundation, a conservative think tank.
There is absolutely no evidence of significant mail in fraud.

'we have not seen historically any coordinated national voter fraud effort in an major election, whether that's mail or otherwise' - Christopher Wray (a trump appointee under oath)

'Republicans trying to make their cases in court s must deal with the basic truth that four decades of dedicated investigation have produced only isolated incidents of election fraud' - Benjamin Ginsberg (a republican election lawyer)

lawrencesummers

jill_valentine wrote: »

Nothing to do with anything, and I already said it's not a moral issue. A donation is not a standing liability, it's fire and forget. It's the difference between handing a beggar a fiver vs giving them my credit card and telling them to buy a fiver's worth of stuff. I'm not going to humour you on this, no amount of clanging pots or nonsequiters together can obscure a 1.1 Billion dollar dog leash.

Nobody who is a billion dollars in debt gets to that point without everybody around them knowing it, btw. The GOP knowingly gave this man keys to the entire security apparatus of the United States with at least some of its leadership aware he was somebody else's financially wholly owned livestock.

So your saying now that political donations are irrelevant to the workings of politicians.

This ideological narrative your putting forward is now just naivety.

duploelabs

lawrencesummers wrote: »

So your saying now that political donations are irrelevant to the workings of politicians.

This ideological narrative your putting forward is now just naivety.

You're operationally naive if you think that all donations and money transfers don't need to be accounted for. It's fraud if they don't

salmocab

lawrencesummers wrote: »

So your saying now that political donations are irrelevant to the workings of politicians.

This ideological narrative your putting forward is now just naivety.

They didn’t say that at all

Billy Mays

$750 in federal taxes for the year

#AmericaFirst

ohnonotgmail

salmocab wrote: »

They didn’t say that at all

any post that starts with "so your[sic] saying" can usually be instantly ignored.

Timberrrrrrrr

Billy Mays wrote: »

$750 in federal taxes for the year

#AmericaFirst

Remember when Republicans slagged off AOC because she worked as a bar tender to pay her way through college?

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1310384989524185093?s=19

jill_valentine

lawrencesummers wrote: »

So your saying now that political donations are irrelevant to the workings of politicians.

This ideological narrative your putting forward is now just naivety.

Couldn't even be honestly mistaken for what I said. I already told you I will not be humouring this kind of silliness, my point is clear. Arguing a different one is a game you can play alone.

The important thing is that as distasteful as it is to know a guy like this is investing less in society than people working for a living, it's not an issue of tax avoidance - it's far more serious than that.

The President of the United States belongs to whoever owns the other end of his debt, and that has massive implications for both domestic and international security. International stability even, depending on who his owners are. A guy who couldn't be a safe bet to leave closing up an Insomnia stand for fear of what he might be levered into doing has been left unattended in an air traffic control tower.

breezy1985

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Remember when Republicans slagged off AOC because she worked as a bar tender to pay her way through college?

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1310384989524185093?s=19

I like her more every day