2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

MeMen2_MoRi_

I see some of the proud boys here (and who will be along later) are/will totally glossing over Donnie's abject failure to denounce white supremacists..

"Stand by"?

Also, liked that biden correcting the moderator on his "antifa" being an ideology and not a group.

eagle eye

ohnonotgmail wrote:

No winner but biden did what he had to do after a slow start. trump embarrassed himself but his supporters dont see that.

Trump is always going to do the same thing which is sling mud and hope some sticks.
Biden recovered from a poor start but lost his temper twice. You can be guaranteed that Trump's team will focus on what set him off and you'll see many attempts to get at him in the next debate.
Biden just needs to stay calm and not say too much and he'll be in the White House.
Sad thing is the Democrats could have had a much younger candidate who would have destroyed Trump last night.

ollkiller

RIGOLO wrote: »

thats ok . everyone entitled to an opinion.

Welcome to a country that had
A Taoiseach (Leo) for 3 years that was never mandated by a popular vote , he just assumed the seat after the other guy moved on
A country that had no government for 3-4 months during a global pandemic.
A country whos current leader was instrumental in a 40 billion euro collpase of the the countrys finance and taxpayers continue to pay off that debt
A country and a cabinet where the party who won the popular vote, won the highest % first preference has no representation at cabinet.

If you live in Ireland well done on not having the first clue of how the taoiseach is elected.

There was a government during the pandemic. The current government rules until a new government is formed. Hello.

Sinn Fein dont have representation. Welcome to how the formation of the government works. Apart from your point a out the financial collapse the rest of your post is pure nonsense and not founded in reality.

Igotadose

completedit wrote: »

Biden definitely better. Trump drags him down to his level.

First Presidential candidate at a Presidential debate to be told "Shut up, man!" by his opponent. So entertaining. Biden destroyed the #IMPOTUS. #IMPOTUS could huff and puff, but had nothing.

And Joe's pretty good at speaking without a teleprompter, answering questions and being a good speaker despite the stammer. No cognitive decline on that side of the stage.

The biggest loser imo, was Chris Wallace. I hope he never does another debate, he really isn't his father, on that I agree with the #IMPOTUS.

Cody montana

Donald Trump is the worst president we've ever had.

Biden on twitter.
Over 900 thousand likes!

tobefrank321

Another Trump lie: "violence and murder is up primarily in Democrat cities".

Fact its up equally in both Republican and Democrat cities.

Eric Cartman

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »

I see some of the proud boys here (and who will be along later) are/will totally glossing over Donnie's abject failure to denounce white supremacists..

"Stand by"?

Also, liked that biden correcting the moderator on his "antifa" being an ideology and not a group.

Trump has openly denounced white supremacists over 10 times at this point, its a tiresome question.

Joe hasn’t condemned radical left violence or violence in the name of / instruction of BLM once.

Antifa violence is like religious violence, conducted in the name of an ideology, but similar to religions there are groups , meetings, communities around that ideology, antifa is as recognisable as a group as any smaller religion.

ELM327

As it was a 1vs2 debate, I'm happy with Trump's showing. No clear winner but Trump's comment about 47 months vs 47 years was clearly the line of the night

ELM327

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Trump has openly denounced white supremacists over 10 times at this point, its a tiresome question.

Joe hasn’t condemned radical left violence or violence in the name of / instruction of BLM once.

Antifa violence is like religious violence, conducted in the name of an ideology, but similar to religions there are groups , meetings, communities around that ideology, antifa is as recognisable as a group as any smaller religion.

Leftist violence is allowed though, remember?

sydthebeat

Thing about antifa....

They are anti fascist yeah?

So no fascism, no antifa??

namloc1980

Chris Wallace was poor alright. Couldn't moderate at all. The next 2 debates look like they'll be a waste of time with Trump just huffing and puffing, interrupting and being obnoxious and rude. Biden can only get better to be honest as his team will learn a lot from last night. Trump is on a loser unless he changes tack but I don't think he will or can.

Danzy

sydthebeat wrote: »

Thing about antifa....

They are anti fascist yeah?

So no fascism, no antifa??

ðŸ˜

Igotadose

ELM327 wrote: »

As it was a 1vs2 debate, I'm happy with Trump's showing. No clear winner but Trump's comment about 47 months vs 47 years was clearly the line of the night

Nah. "Shut up, man!" is the line of the decade.

Tell me how

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Trump has openly denounced white supremacists over 10 times at this point, its a tiresome question.

Joe hasn’t condemned radical left violence or violence in the name of / instruction of BLM once.

Antifa violence is like religious violence, conducted in the name of an ideology, but similar to religions there are groups , meetings, communities around that ideology, antifa is as recognisable as a group as any smaller religion.

ELM327 wrote: »

Leftist violence is allowed though, remember?

Link

Fact check: Joe Biden has condemned protest-related violence all summer

Tempted to quote Ben Shapiro here.

namloc1980

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Trump has openly denounced white supremacists over 10 times at this point, its a tiresome question.

Should have been easy to answer so - "yes Chris I totally denounce them". Instead he went asking for which group, which group and then told the Proud Boys "stand back and stand by" - clear dog whistle to them.

MeMen2_MoRi_

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Trump has openly denounced white supremacists over 10 times at this point, its a tiresome question.

Joe hasn’t condemned radical left violence or violence in the name of / instruction of BLM once.

Antifa violence is like religious violence, conducted in the name of an ideology, but similar to religions there are groups , meetings, communities around that ideology, antifa is as recognisable as a group as any smaller religion.

Tiresome? Does he need to take a nap, or maybe another round of golf to take his mind of the hurt he's causing to his proud boys.

Das Reich

So Biden wants to create problem to Brazil if he wins, those democrats are a danger for the rest of the world.

Danzy

Abigail Marone 🇺🇸 (@abigailmarone) Tweeted:
Joe Biden lies, and says President Trump "won't even condemn David Duke."

President Trump has disavowed David Duke on multiple occasions - even before he was in politics

Why didn't @andersoncooper fact check this?

ROLL THE TAPE 📼 https://t.co/nbpT57Frkf https://twitter.com/abigailmarone/status/1299060410449100801?s=20

Trump has repeatedly condemned white supremacists.

Tell me how

ELM327 wrote: »

As it was a 1vs2 debate, I'm happy with Trump's showing. No clear winner but Trump's comment about 47 months vs 47 years was clearly the line of the night

'Stand back and Stand by' is going to be spoken about for the next 20 years.

Both when analysing Trump, this Presidential campaign and talking about phrases used within extremists groups.

Leroy42

ELM327 wrote: »

Leftist violence is allowed though, remember?

Allowed by whom?

Trump stated last night that the right needed groups like Proud Boys to protect against the left. Not the police, or the law, but militia vigilante groups are the defence.

POTUS admitted last night that he has no ability to control this left violence. Let that sink in. The POTUS, which all the law enforcement at his disposal, has given up trying to protect Americans and has asked for a vigilante group to be prepared to deal with it.

This is the man that apparently stands for Law and Order, openly calling for the suspension of Law and Order in order ot deal with a problem he has failed to deal with.

gmisk

ELM327 wrote: »

As it was a 1vs2 debate, I'm happy with Trump's showing. No clear winner but Trump's comment about 47 months vs 47 years was clearly the line of the night

What was the 2vs1?
Chris Wallace is from fox news...
He did an absolutely horrendous job Trump constantly interrupted Biden when he was attempting to talk.
Trump was an absolute disaster all bluster and zero content

namloc1980

Danzy wrote: »

Abigail Marone ���� (@abigailmarone) Tweeted:
Joe Biden lies, and says President Trump "won't even condemn David Duke."

President Trump has disavowed David Duke on multiple occasions - even before he was in politics

Why didn't @andersoncooper fact check this?

ROLL THE TAPE �� https://t.co/nbpT57Frkf https://twitter.com/abigailmarone/status/1299060410449100801?s=20

Trump has repeatedly condemned white supremacists.

It's telling then that he couldn't do it last night.

tobefrank321

Trump lie: "Joe called African Americans super predators"

This is probably the biggest lie. In relation to a 1994 crime bill Biden spoke of getting predators off the streets. He made no mention of race or of super predators.

"The bigger the lie, the more people will believe it" said one notorious German leader.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

ELM327 wrote: »

Leftist violence is allowed though, remember?

Has Biden got hsitory endorsing antifa?

humberklog

Unbelievable that the Dems had 5 years to ready themselves for this fight and they wheel out Biden. It's like putting a retired punch drunk boxer up against an elderly but enthusiastic white-collar MMA fighter.

Leroy42

gmisk wrote: »

What was the 2vs1?
Chris Wallace is from fox news...
He did an absolutely horrendous job Trump constantly interrupted Biden when he was attempting to talk.
Trump was an absolute disaster all bluster and zero content

Because Trump didn't and the knockout blow on the dementia suffering low energy Basement dwelling Biden, it has to be because of someone else.

It cannot possibly be Trump's fault.

It always needs to be someone else. If only Wallace had been on Trumps side, then Trump would have been able to deal with Biden properly.

namloc1980

gmisk wrote: »

What was the 2vs1?
Chris Wallace is from fox news...
He did an absolutely horrendous job Trump constantly interrupted Biden when he was attempting to talk.
Trump was an absolute disaster all bluster and zero content

It's the main talking point that the Trumpists have after the debate. Claiming that Chris Wallace was unfair to poor little Donald. This was predicated by a few posters on here to be the angle over the last couple of days. The dementia angle has gone by the wayside and hardly any mention of drugs or earpieces either.

breezy1985

RIGOLO wrote: »

thats ok . everyone entitled to an opinion.

Welcome to a country that had
A Taoiseach (Leo) for 3 years that was never mandated by a popular vote , he just assumed the seat after the other guy moved on
A country that had no government for 3-4 months during a global pandemic.
A country whos current leader was instrumental in a 40 billion euro collpase of the the countrys finance and taxpayers continue to pay off that debt
A country and a cabinet where the party who won the popular vote, won the highest % first preference has no representation at cabinet.

Taoisigh are not mandated because this is not America. Only TDs are mandated and the person who commands the most leads the government.

As for last night I imagine both sides are going to portray this based on their preconceptions and it hasn't moved anyone's opinions of either candidate and if anything just convinced more swing voters to stay home

gmisk

Das Reich wrote: »

So Biden wants to create problem to Brazil if he wins, those democrats are a danger for the rest of the world.

What? That doesn't even make sense as a sentence.

Leroy42

humberklog wrote: »

Unbelievable that the Dems had 5 years to ready themselves for this fight and they wheel out Biden. It's like putting a retired punch drunk boxer up against an elderly but enthusiastic white-collar MMA fighter.

It's incredible that with such a weak candidate, Trump supporters are left calling a conspiracy that Wallace is a secret DNC plant.

If you really believe Biden is so bad, how poorly does that reflect on Trump that he couldn't debate with him?