2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

Justin Credible Darts

spin it whatever way you like but i bet the sick would rather have free health care.

This notion people dont want it is a myth..
Personally i think a first world country without free health care is a joke, even we have some form of it.

Foxtrol

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

you are contradicting yourself when you say there is no demand for free health care.

did you not only on this thread on this page declare 100 million yanks with underlying conditions.

Are you trying to tell me those 100 million would rather pay than get it for free ?

It doesn't appear that you read all my post.

I agreed that there is demand for free health care as a concept, however support drops dramatically when you throw in even just one of the 'negatives' to it.

Voters don't want:
- to pay taxes to cover the huge cost
- to cut spending to cover the huge cost (e.g. military)
- to increase waiting times to be seen by a doctor
- to lose their private health insurance
- to lose their current doctors

Overheal

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

spin it whatever way you like but i bet the sick would rather have free health care.

This notion people dont want it is a myth..
Personally i think a first world country without free health care is a joke, even we have some form of it.

I mean I agree but since no candidate on the ballot is pushing for social healthcare just yet its a moot point for the electorate atm.

Justin Credible Darts

Foxtrol wrote: »

It doesn't appear that you read all my post.

I agreed that there is demand for free health care as a concept, however support drops dramatically when you throw in even just one of the 'negatives' to it.

Voters don't want:
- to pay taxes to cover the huge cost
- to cut spending to cover the huge cost (e.g. military)
- to increase waiting times to be seen by a doctor
- to lose their private health insurance
- to lose their current doctors

ok, valid points, but you were the one quoting 100million with underlying conditions.


There is no way all those are well off enough to be able to afford the healthcare they need without running up huge debts, or at least those that are lucky enough.


There is a huge gulf in classes in the USA.

gmisk

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

Dems have form when it comes to attacking minors. This is an own goal for Biden.




Only Democrats would call someone (a minor) who shot 3 white people in self defense a “white supremacist”. I wonder how much Rittenhouse will get from this now.

No own goal, that is also a frame from a much longer video...so you are misrepresenting it.... predictably enough.
I watched the whole video btw and it was spot on

Foxtrol

Overheal wrote: »

.......? Maybe I'm inebriated, or maybe I just don't follow your illustration here

The poster has taken a screenshot of 1 second of a 50 second video that Biden released earlier today in order to feign outrage of the image of a 'minor' being used in a video. The same 'minor' that crossed state lines with a long gun to break curfew and insert himself into a riot.

Obviously the poster sees no hypocrisy in complaining about this yet supporting Trump who put an ad in the newspaper calling for the death penalty of 5 innocent boys that were younger than the lil rambo minor in his post.

Here's the full video.

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1311268302950260737?s=20

mcmoustache

Overheal wrote: »

Speaking of dementia, Trump woke up this morning and can't remember who the Proud Boys even are

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/trump-tries-to-clean-up-bizarre-debate-remarks-i-dont-know-who-the-proud-boys-are/

I don't know why the republicans are making him do this. He's clearly not comfortable and seems to be losing it. Maybe they should let him stand aside and let Tucker take over.

Foxtrol

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

ok, valid points, but you were the one quoting 100million with underlying conditions.


There is no way all those are well off enough to be able to afford the healthcare they need without running up huge debts, or at least those that are lucky enough.


There is a huge gulf in classes in the USA.

That number do have underlying conditions but currently most are covered by either employer provided insurance, ACA exchanges, VA, Medicare, or Medicaid.

If Trump gets his way and they destroy the ACA it opens all those people with underlying conditions to be basically blocked from getting insurance.

Healthcare in the US is a complete mess but the society is so self focused and on their 'tribe' that they fear anything new. I think the only way universal healthcare in the near future would get passed would be if someone from the GOP with the cult of personality as president, like Trump, pushed it. Democrats will move towards it slowly but they are rightly fearful after what happened with Obamacare.

Sonics2k

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

Dems have form when it comes to attacking minors. This is an own goal for Biden.




Only Democrats would call someone (a minor) who shot 3 white people in self defense a “white supremacist”. I wonder how much Rittenhouse will get from this now.

Can you just, try and stop lying constantly? Numerous times now you folks have screenshotted videos and attempted to take it massively out of context. At least link to the actual video for proper context.

Also, whether Rittenhouse is a minor or not, he murdered two people.

astrofool

mcmoustache wrote: »

I don't know why the republicans are making him do this. He's clearly not comfortable and seems to be losing it. Maybe they should let him stand aside and let Tucker take over.

I think we all know the real explanation.

Joe Biden is a wizard.

duploelabs

Did he say last night that he didn't know who Beau was but then again, there's always a tweet

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/604841582236475392?s=19

Overheal

mcmoustache wrote: »

I don't know why the republicans are making him do this. He's clearly not comfortable and seems to be losing it. Maybe they should let him stand aside and let Tucker take over.

I see what u did there

Danzy

Sonics2k wrote: »

Can you just, try and stop lying constantly? Numerous times now you folks have screenshotted videos and attempted to take it massively out of context. At least link to the actual video for proper context.

Also, whether Rittenhouse is a minor or not, he murdered two people.

He didn't murder them.

He is a working class young fellow who helped defend a local business from Looters.

He was attacked by a mob, ran, allowed them beat him, when they pointed a gun he defended himself and had to shoot .

2 ended up dead.

Turns out the 2 that died, one was a multiple child rapiat and the other was a domestic abuser.

Rittenhouse is a working class hero.

Quin_Dub

Deshawn wrote: »

I don't believe that there are 100 million people with pre existing conditions in the United States

Except they do..

The estimate is that between 50 and 129 million Non- elderly Americans have pre existing conditions.

And 50 to 80% of the elderly have pre existing conditions.

Even taking very conservative views of that all that data is comfortably 100 Million.

Dyr

Foxtrol wrote: »

The poster has taken a screenshot of 1 second of a 50 second video that Biden released earlier today in order to feign outrage of the image of a 'minor' being used in a video. The same 'minor' that crossed state lines with a long gun to break curfew and insert himself into a riot.

He crossed a state line with a fire arm? Oh Lord, that's bad, if there's any proof. You have proof of course? Cos that would make his legal team look very silly, given that they've publically stated he didnt own the firearm and didnt bring it across any state line. So that would be dynamite

Apparently you proof that he isnt a minor given the use of quotation marks, that would be dynamite you should deffo post that proof.

In your own time.

eagle eye

dark crystal wrote:

Donald Trump is not fit for the job. Period.

I think you'll find that most believe that neither of them are fit for the job.
Biden isn't a horrible human being like Trump though.

eagle eye

Deleted User wrote:

Except it wasn't an affair...

What could you call a 28 year old with a 60 year old man then?

Timberrrrrrrr

eagle eye wrote: »

What could you call a 28 year old with a 60 year old man then?

Well i would call your obvious disgust at their age difference to be very prudish.

Quin_Dub

eagle eye wrote: »

What could you call a 28 year old with a 60 year old man then?

A relationship.

Brown wasn't married at the time.

Affair suggests that there was a spouse being cheated on.

There wasn't.

Sonics2k

Danzy wrote: »

He didn't murder them.

He is a working class young fellow who helped defend a local business from Looters.

He was attacked by a mob, ran, allowed them beat him, when they pointed a gun he defended himself and had to shoot .

2 ended up dead.

He did murder them. Yes, he was being chased, but the context of why he was being chased will remain a mystery. What we do know is he was happily flexing around with his rifle, threatening to take down the protesters and went towards them.

We still don't know positively if he crossed state lines with the rifle, or if he got the rifle in Wisconsin. Either way, he was illegally armed.

Danzy wrote: »

Turns out the 2 that died, one was a multiple child rapiat and the other was a domestic abuser.

Rittenhouse is a working class hero.

This implies he knew what they were, and their past crimes. I've no problem with some pedo getting killed, but let's not toss out the presumption that Kyle knew this and they deserved their death.

Sonics2k

eagle eye wrote: »

What could you call a 28 year old with a 60 year old man then?

Bizarre, but not an affair. How is it an affair? They were both single, non-committed adults.

cj maxx

Watching a C4 programme about Trump. But job

eagle eye

Timberrrrrrrr wrote:

Well i would call your obvious disgust at their age difference to be very prudish.

It's not just the age gap, it's the particular 60 year old man she chose, just happened to be the most powerful man in her field at the time. Two promotions later it was over.

eagle eye

eagle eye wrote: »

What could you call a 28 year old with a 60 year old man then?

A relationship that was publicly known about is most definitely not an "affair"....

Timberrrrrrrr

eagle eye wrote: »

It's not just the age gap, it's the particular 60 year old man she chose, just happened to be the most powerful man in her field at the time. Two promotions later it was over.

A bit like Melania with Trump? There's a 34 year difference there. Does this relationship disgust you also?

eagle eye

Deleted User wrote:

A relationship that was publicly known about is most definitely not an "affair"....

And would it be a wild theory to suggest she slept her way to a couple of promotions?

1800_Ladladlad

Trump had the KKK designated as a terrorist group. Again, why is he being asked to denounce white supremacists for the 1000th time? It's a red herring.

A few clips of Trump denouncing white supremacists again and again.

https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1311359450289061889

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qD47QFFkTU

The exact same moderator from four years ago using the same failed formula which backfired in 2016

https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1311388749545254916

No matter how many times he has denounced WS over the years he will still be dragged by the hopeless left, asking the sky "why can't he be specific, he's on the side of the white supremacists!" It's pathetic. Even though the fragile Biden doesn't need to answer whether he’ll pack the court, or if he endorses Black Lives Matters yet Trump is pressured to condemn white supremacists?? Then Biden says Antifa is an idea, not an organization, and isn't questioned about that either? Say it all!!!!

Faugheen

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

Trump had the KKK designated as a terrorist group. Again, why is he being asked to denounce white supremacists for the 1000th time? It's a red herring.

A few clips of Trump denouncing white supremacists again and again.

That’s great, why not do it last night them?

The exact same moderator from four years ago using the same failed formula which backfired in 2016

https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1311388749545254916

Lol, it’s the moderators fault. Why does Trump get to make the same claim over and over again but yet when this is thrown at him it’s too damn far!!1!

No matter how many times he has denounced WS over the years he will still be dragged by the hopeless left, asking the sky "why can't he be specific, he's on the side of the white supremacists!" It's pathetic. Even though the fragile Biden doesn't need to answer whether he’ll pack the court, or if he endorses Black Lives Matters yet Trump is pressured to condemn white supremacists?? Then Biden says Antifa is an idea, not an organization, and isn't questioned about that either? Say it all!!!!

Cutting through the crybaby ranting and going your last point about Biden saying Antifa is an ideology rather than a group, he’s quoting the Director of the FBI, who Trump appointed.

Don’t believe me? Here he is for your visual and aural pleasure

Majority of domestic terrorism is by white supremacists:

https://youtu.be/wY7P0ETDfls

Antifa is more of an ideology than organisation

https://youtu.be/C_EmwEcDcBg

Jesus, thought a smart fellow like yourself would have done some research.

Now, run along back into your hiding place until you find another doctored video to post. Rinse, repeat. Too predictable. Sad!

AllForIt

I don't see how you can have an ideology without a group of people who identity with said ideology.

It's like saying 'Antifa are just an idea in your mind. It doesn't really exist in reality'. :rolleyes:

osarusan

A fair few clips there of Trump denouncing these kinds of groups.

But how do we explain his 'and stand by' comments?

"Stand by" means hold and wait for further instuction. Why is he telling such a group to await further instruction?