2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

Penn

https://twitter.com/OrRite_Then/status/1288255764973355008?s=20

Overheal

Washington Post running with that too

Trump questions why Fauci has better ratings as U.S. approaches 150,000 coronavirus deaths

As the number of Americans who have died of the novel coronavirus approached 150,000 on Tuesday, President Trump questioned why he isn’t as popular as Anthony S. Fauci, the nation’s top infectious-disease expert. “He’s got this high approval rating,” Trump told reporters at a White House coronavirus task force briefing, claiming that he had implemented many of Fauci’s recommendations. “So why don’t I have a high approval rating?”

Fauci, meanwhile, warned that even while the outbreak in the Sun Belt might finally be leveling off, the number of positive tests were rising in the Midwest. “We just can’t afford, yet again, another surge,” he said Tuesday, as the United States reported more than 1,000 coronavirus fatalities for the second day in a row. Florida, Arkansas, Oregon and Montana, in particular, witnessed their highest single-day death tolls to date. More than 59,500 new cases were tallied nationwide, bringing the total count of infections reported since February to at least 4,331,000.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/29/coronavirus-covid-live-updates-us/

Overheal

https://www.mediaite.com/trump/trump-reveals-he-didnt-raise-bounties-in-call-with-putin-before-dismissing-it-as-fake-news/

Trump finally let the cat out of the bag, admitting that the topic of Russian bounties has never been discussed with Putin.

Penn

Overheal wrote: »

Washington Post running with that too

The idea that he's pondering why he's rated less positively than Fauci on the topic of the virus while at the same time retweeting a video of a woman being completely wrong on almost every aspect of the virus just because she said Hydroxychloroquine works... God yeah it's a real mystery alright...

Leroy42

Overheal wrote: »

https://www.mediaite.com/trump/trump-reveals-he-didnt-raise-bounties-in-call-with-putin-before-dismissing-it-as-fake-news/

Trump finally let the cat out of the bag, admitting that the topic of Russian bounties has never been discussed with Putin.

That, frankly, is an abdication of his responsibilities as CiC. All military should be up in arms about this (not literally!). To not even bring it up, to dismiss it as fake news, not because the security service has said so, or a military investigation has shown it to be, but because a few random people mentioned that they thought it was, is gross incompetence.

Either he doesn't care, he is scared of Putin or he really does believe it to be fake. The 1st two are pretty terrifying for a US POV, the third needs more explanation that 'some people are saying' and goes to heart of the US intelligence aparatus.

Given that he already sided with Russia os the security services over Russin interference, is Trump really saying that he places no credibility on what the security services are reporting?

Overheal

Leroy42 wrote: »

That, frankly, is an abdication of his responsibilities as CiC. All military should be up in arms about this (not literally!). To not even bring it up, to dismiss it as fake news, not because the security service has said so, or a military investigation has shown it to be, but because a few random people mentioned that they thought it was, is gross incompetence.

Either he doesn't care, he is scared of Putin or he really does believe it to be fake. The 1st two are pretty terrifying for a US POV, the third needs more explanation that 'some people are saying' and goes to heart of the US intelligence aparatus.

Given that he already sided with Russia os the security services over Russin interference, is Trump really saying that he places no credibility on what the security services are reporting?

Yes he is. His whole presidency is defined by Qanon Deep State conspiracy theories. Publicly at least he’s expressed as much of not more trust in Russian intel than US Intel. I think most of the military caucus are appalled frankly but almost as many will engage in denial that he is being that outrageous- would you want to believe it’s this bad?

Wanderer78

the ego is cracking, this chap could walk away from this yet

Cody montana

Will he pull a distraction to try and divert attention from the 150 thousand deaths?

homes_for_all

It's funny seeing the Steele dossier being pulled apart. So it was mainly sourced by a law student in Russia and US (Igor Danchenko), with no significant ties to Kremlin and "was never meant to go public" let alone form the basis of Muller's investigation.

What is it with British intelligence dossiers being done by students?!

Leroy42

homes_for_all wrote: »

It's funny seeing the Steele dossier being pulled apart. So it was mainly sourced by a law student in Russia and US (Igor Danchenko), with no significant ties to Kremlin and "was never meant to go public" let alone form the basis of Muller's investigation.

What is it with British intelligence dossiers being done by students?!

The dossier was only the commencement. It merely highlighted the concerns and possibilities.

Since then we know that Stone was leaking to Wikileaks, we know that Cohen had business dealings on behalf of Trump in Russia, we know Trump tired to blackmail Ukraine into getting dirt on Biden, we know Trump openly welcomes foreign interference into elections, we know that Flynn lied about his talks with Russia, we know Trump knew and approved, we know Trump is so beholden to Russia that he is willing to excuse the targeting of US troops by Russia by way of bounties.

How can you see that Trump is dismissing US intelligence reports over Russian targeting of US military personnel without comment yet claim that somehow a dossier shown to be less than 100% accurate is anything other than normal security reporting?

Trump can't have it both ways.

Quin_Dub

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1288509572223651840

Words actually fail me here.

Does he really think that this will win him votes?

Overheal

Quin_Dub wrote: »

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1288509572223651840

Words actually fail me here.

Does he really think that this will win him votes?

I for one am genuinely shocked the poster boy for housing discrimination, who was sued for refusing to rent to black people, would take such a move. Shocked!

mcmoustache

Quin_Dub wrote: »

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1288509572223651840

Words actually fail me here.

Does he really think that this will win him votes?

He's getting desperate.

There was a series of tweets earlier from him promising airport spending in all the swing states. Fairly blatant stuff but I don't know if there are many fence-sitters out there at this point.

This may be related to the fact that his campaign is basically giving up on Michigan.

Pa ElGrande

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaK-qric5-E

Always telling when a person posts a 20 minute youtube video but doesn't bother make any points of their own or summarising the point of the 20 minute video.

Pa ElGrande

Your Trump derangement syndrome is getting boring. The Democrats invited Mr. Barr to a hearing where he was the guest and yet would not let him speak, in doing so they demonstrated bad manners and bad faith and their antics were a really poor show. They also used the same tactic against Michael Shellenberger.

At this rate United States President Trump has the re-election all sown up it will be a blow out election in his favour on a par with 1972 for Nixon and with that I claim back the balance of my time.

Goes on further rant and links to conspiracy site about global warming. Thanks for the update!

They asked questions of Barr btw, he just couldn't explain some of his decisions. Eg a militia threatening to lynch a mayor not being deserving if federal intervention. But invading states that didn't ask for federal intervention is all good. In the process, making the situation worse.

threeball

Overheal wrote: »

I for one am genuinely shocked the poster boy for housing discrimination, who was sued for refusing to rent to black people, would take such a move. Shocked!

His protégé Jared has form in that area too. No doubt he was involved.

Carfacemandog

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

The Democrats invited Mr. Barr to a hearing where he was the guest and yet would not let him speak, in doing so they demonstrated bad manners and bad faith and their antics were a really poor show.

Yeah, after seeing republican antics of literally banging on things so people couldn't be heard and breaking in to these meetings uninvited and interrupting others, as well as shouting at others during hearings, I'm sure that decorum is really, really important to you and them too - they're such a key part of Trumps presidency after all. :rolleyes:

Barr repeatedly attempted to interrupt them mid-questioning only to be put back in his box. He pretty much got torn to pieces, which might explain why the video you linked to despite being twenty-two and a half minutes shows extremely little actual footage of thd hearing.

Jayapals time is a great example. Here is the video of it, uninterrupted, unedited, and not 90% filled with some randomer saying what he wishes had happened.

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Also, the screencap of that making Barr out to be 'using the force' or whatever it is immediately reminded me if this.

Overheal

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

Your Trump derangement syndrome is getting boring. The Democrats invited Mr. Barr to a hearing where he was the guest and yet would not let him speak, in doing so they demonstrated bad manners and bad faith and their antics were a really poor show. They also used the same tactic against Michael Shellenberger.

At this rate United States President Trump has the re-election all sown up it will be a blow out election in his favour on a par with 1972 for Nixon and with that I claim back the balance of my time.

You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.

I watched the whole hearing live. Was there something not loaded or pointed at users here you wanted to say about it?

No discussion about judicial committee manners is complete if you fail to mention the out of order shouting and grand standing from Gym Jordan. That omission and your sweeping accusation of the room here of Trump Derangement Syndrome informs us what your galvanized viewpoint is, so are you here to soapbox that or here to raise a broader discussion about bipartisan decorum?
As if interrupting witnesses is something Jordan would never do, despite crying loudly about such virtue signaling yesterday.

I also particularly enjoyed Jordan having a piss fit this morning for seemingly, magically forgetting about how his committee works: he asked for unanimous consent, someone objected so his motion didn’t carry - so rather than act like a mature adult he shouted down the acting chair as if he had never heard how these rules work in his life. He acted like someone stole his reserved parking spot and pissed on his corn flakes to try and paint Democrats as evil sadistic c*nts for adhering to parliamentary procedure.

Democrat decorum yesterday was as simple as Barr shouting several octaves higher for every democrat, interrupting their time as much as able, and acting like a modest librarian during the minorities time. He exemplifies how partisan he is.

Edit: Jordan did it *yet again* earlier today when he shouted the roof off the place when it was no longer his time. He roared bloody murder over the time of a female democrat.

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/fireworks-house-hearing-explodes-after-dem-rep-calls-out-jim-jordan-for-fringe-conspiracy-theories-about-google/

Relevant bit immediately following his 5 minute round of questioning. Oh yes. Gym Jordan Decorum.

extra gravy

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

Your Trump derangement syndrome

"People who invoke TDS tend to be gleefully disparaging the other coalition. But if they are right to any degree, they are implicitly conceding a damning indictment of Trump.

And it doesn’t even matter whether he is right or wrong. Good leaders inspire mutually beneficial cooperation, not derangement! Americans who value leadership, comity, and collaboration during a crisis should elect someone less polarizing––and practically any other choice would be less polarizing––because Trump cannot unite."

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/04/the-implications-of-trump-derangement-syndrome/610705/

ollkiller

extra gravy wrote: »

"People who invoke TDS tend to be gleefully disparaging the other coalition. But if they are right to any degree, they are implicitly conceding a damning indictment of Trump.

And it doesn’t even matter whether he is right or wrong. Good leaders inspire mutually beneficial cooperation, not derangement! Americans who value leadership, comity, and collaboration during a crisis should elect someone less polarizing––and practically any other choice would be less polarizing––because Trump cannot unite."

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/04/the-implications-of-trump-derangement-syndrome/610705/

When they invoke TDS I'm out really. No point in debating anyone who thinks we don't like Trump because we are deranged.

Your point is exactly why I hate him. Good leaders unite people. He trades in division to create hate and fear and people applaud him for it. As I've said before I'm not religious but I hope there is a heaven and hell. Even if I end up in Hell at least he'll be there too.

eeepaulo

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

Your Trump derangement syndrome is getting boring. Something something......

How many republicans does it take to change a lightbulb?

None, Trump said he fixed it, so they all sit in the dark and applaud.

Overheal

I missed a lot of this hearing at the doctors office today but from what I’m seeing now there’s bipartisan grilling of these tech firms they just have very different agenda: Democrats are grilling for instance, Facebook on giving legitimacy to debunked Covid nonsense from Trump et al. And simultaneously Republicans are bludgeoning these groups for censoring debunked Covid nonsense from Trump et al :rolleyes: “persecution complex” as one Democrat just put it.

The Republican side of the room is primarily outraged at google for conspiracy theories that they are orchestrating their search engine to help Biden win. Democrats are focusing ire at Apple for removing apps that compete with services that Apple then bakes into iOS, like ScreenTime.

It’s hard to see what useful takeaways will come from this at the end of the hearing.

PropJoe10

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

Your Trump derangement syndrome is getting boring. The Democrats invited Mr. Barr to a hearing where he was the guest and yet would not let him speak, in doing so they demonstrated bad manners and bad faith and their antics were a really poor show. They also used the same tactic against Michael Shellenberger.

At this rate United States President Trump has the re-election all sown up it will be a blow out election in his favour on a par with 1972 for Nixon and with that I claim back the balance of my time.

You seem clever, clued in and well informed. Welcome.

ArmaniJeanss

Overheal wrote: »

https://www.mediaite.com/trump/trump-reveals-he-didnt-raise-bounties-in-call-with-putin-before-dismissing-it-as-fake-news/

Trump finally let the cat out of the bag, admitting that the topic of Russian bounties has never been discussed with Putin.

Those pesky 'delinquents' in Berlin are the real problem anyway.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/29/us-germany-troop-withdrawal-donald-trump

frag420

@carfacemandog....

With a name like that you sound like Trumps cognitive test...

Eh car, eh....man, no face I mean face then man and eh dog and if you get it in order then you get more points and a biscuit...:pac::pac::pac:

***Not a dig at you as I cant stand the orange turd too, just a funny observation***

Overheal

Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

Did I get it? Do I get extra points?

osarusan

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

At this rate United States President Trump has the re-election all sown up it will be a blow out election in his favour on a par with 1972 for Nixon and with that I claim back the balance of my time.

Jaysus.


I'm not convinced that the polls are all that accurate, but the idea that Trump will win 49/50 states, or will win the popular vote by 18 million votes, is laughable.

Overheal

osarusan wrote: »

Jaysus.


I'm not convinced that the polls are all that accurate, but the idea that Trump will win 49/50 states, or will win the popular vote by 18 million votes, is laughable.

Yeah not a hope, Republicans don’t even own enough of those states to blatantly rig the election in. He only won 2016 by what, 75,000 strategically placed votes in key districts, but still lost the popular vote by close to 3 million nationally. And that was before he did any of the scandalous things that have happened during his tenure, and he was seen as the protest, anti-establishment vote with Scalia’s seat in the balance.

Winning the popular vote now by 18 million? 49 states? Snowballs chance in hell. 2016 taught us all to be cautious with predictions but I’ll bet the house and sleep well for the next 97 days that will never happen.

(And that’s a figure of speech, calm down gambling addicts)

Carfacemandog

I wouldn't even pay notice to that 49/50 comment, just another obvious case of signalling their virtuous loyalties. You see it almost every day from one truno supporter or another here, it's kind of pathetic but also entirely expected.

Rjd2

Overheal wrote: »

I missed a lot of this hearing at the doctors office today but from what I’m seeing now there’s bipartisan grilling of these tech firms they just have very different agenda: Democrats are grilling for instance, Facebook on giving legitimacy to debunked Covid nonsense from Trump et al. And simultaneously Republicans are bludgeoning these groups for censoring debunked Covid nonsense from Trump et al :rolleyes: “persecution complex” as one Democrat just put it.

The Republican side of the room is primarily outraged at google for conspiracy theories that they are orchestrating their search engine to help Biden win. Democrats are focusing ire at Apple for removing apps that compete with services that Apple then bakes into iOS, like ScreenTime.

It’s hard to see what useful takeaways will come from this at the end of the hearing.

I drifted in and out, was some ok questions from Republicans tbf , but sadly to much dumb **** looking for twitter retweets mainly from Gaetz and the dude who asked about how tricky it was to find gatewaypundit onlin:rolleyes:e.

Oddly enough the same chap (not Gaetz) had an ok question on China towards the end.

Ideally each of the four should have been grilled individually.

It was good to see them been grilled, but I don't see much happening any of them no matter who wins in November as they are simply to powerful. Warren or possibly Bernie could have been a real thorn in their side, but Biden and most certainly Trump will for the most part leave them to run wild in peace.

Overheal

No admission from them that The Gateway Pundit does spotty if not utterly terrible fact checking and that’s why they’ve been troubled on platforms like Facebook, not because of their political editorial slant. And up until Tucker Carlson split from the Daily Caller, he was one of the founders of it, and spent years sharing their “news” in his show broadcasts with little mention of his affiliation to them, just him reporting what he said, effectively, via sock puppet.

mcmoustache

This will be interesting. Not the tweet itself, it's standard fare from Trump, but the justifications from his fans who will doubtlessly feel compelled to explain why elections should be delayed.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1288818160389558273

Wanderer78

mcmoustache wrote: »

This will be interesting. Not the tweet itself, it's standard fare from Trump, but the justifications from his fans who will doubtlessly feel compelled to explain why elections should be delayed.

lets pretend the shoe is on the other foot, that the donald is polling very well, would he still be requesting this?

Overheal

mcmoustache wrote: »

This will be interesting. Not the tweet itself, it's standard fare from Trump, but the justifications from his fans who will doubtlessly feel compelled to explain why elections should be delayed.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1288818160389558273

https://twitter.com/JimMacMillan/status/1288832460353044480?s=20

PropJoe10

Wanderer78 wrote: »

lets pretend the shoe is on the other foot, that the donald is polling very well, would he still be requesting this?

Haha of course not. He's claimed that he's leading in all his own polling but has now said he wants to postpone the election and has also changed his campaign manager. He's so transparent that Casper the Friendly Ghost has nothing on him.

Quin_Dub

This is pure deflection for his base.

He wants them raging about "ELECTION FRAUD" and not noticing the utterly appalling Economic news that came out today.

The US economy shrank by a 32.9% annual rate in the April-to-June quarter as the country grappled with cut backs in spending during the pandemic.

It was the deepest decline since the government began keeping records in 1947 and three times more severe than the prior record of 10% set in 1958.

Reduced spending on services such as healthcare drove the fall.

Economists have said they expected to see the sharpest drop in the second quarter, with recovery thereafter.

But as virus cases in the US surge and some areas re-impose restrictions on activity, the rebound is showing signs of stalling.

Overheal

Yep the power to alter the time and place of elections is the remit of Congress. We've had elections throughout the Civil War, even. The actual odds of postponing the election are statistically null.

hotmail.com

Overheal wrote: »

Yep the power to alter the time and place of elections is the remit of Congress. We've had elections throughout the Civil War, even. The actual odds of postponing the election are statistically null.

Oh but I'm sure we'll get dictator accusations and all the usual hoopla to his nonsense.

Wanderer78

hotmail.com wrote: »

Oh but I'm sure we'll get dictator accusations and all the usual hoopla to his nonsense.

to be fair, theres not much rattling around upstairs, for him to make it to that position

hotmail.com

Wanderer78 wrote: »

to be fair, theres not much rattling around upstairs, for him to make it to that position

I know that, tell that to the weird outraged Trump mob who still think he's trying to be a dictator.

ohnonotgmail

Some of you may have seen this tweet of Herman Cain at the Tulsa rally. He died today of Covid

https://twitter.com/THEHermanCain/status/1274489632886075398

Overheal

hotmail.com wrote: »

I know that, tell that to the weird outraged Trump mob who still think he's trying to be a dictator.

To be fair, that he can't legally do the things he wants to do doesn't extinguish the fact that he wants to do them, which includes delaying an election because, ultimately, he thinks he will not like the outcome.

Overheal

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Some of you may have seen this tweet of Herman Cain at the Tulsa rally. He died today of Covid

https://twitter.com/THEHermanCain/status/1274489632886075398

Yep, he tested negative as a precondition for attending the rally (secret service and VIPs were all tested, his was negative at the time), and then, 12 days later on July 2nd he was checked into hospital for Covid-19.

edit: he had tested positive on June 29 and admitted to hospital on July 2nd, https://www.foxnews.com/politics/herman-cain-hospitalized-after-testing-postive-for-coronavirus

Overheal

Overheal wrote: »

To be fair, that he can't legally do the things he wants to do doesn't extinguish the fact that he wants to do them, which includes delaying an election because, ultimately, he thinks he will not like the outcome.

Plus his overt displays of power via the police and his fawning over dictators. He might not be able to become a dictator but he seems to wish he could be one.

hotmail.com

Overheal wrote: »

To be fair, that he can't legally do the things he wants to do doesn't extinguish the fact that he wants to do them, which includes delaying an election because, ultimately, he thinks he will not like the outcome.

This isn't a Trump issue. Governments and leaders around the world try to act outside of their boundaries when they want to. The system of courts and lower and upper houses prevents this from happening.

Overheal

hotmail.com wrote: »

This isn't a Trump issue. Governments and leaders around the world try to act outside of their boundaries when they want to. The system of courts and lower and upper houses prevents this from happening.

It is a Trump issue, as it's Trump who is advocating for a delay of election.

mcmoustache

hotmail.com wrote: »

I know that, tell that to the weird outraged Trump mob who still think he's trying to be a dictator.

He should really stop saying dictatorial stuff though. I know he's a clown but he's also the President of the US. Publicly suggesting (and not joking either) that elections should be suspended is dictatorial no matter how you look at it. His inability to do it doesn't change his intent.

hotmail.com

Overheal wrote: »

It is a Trump issue, as it's Trump who is advocating for a delay of election.

But he can't is the point. Story over. Just because an election is delayed doesn't make him a dictator anyway.