2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

feargale

Sean.3516 wrote: »

Quote: Quin_Dub
Trump is not intelligent in any measurable way , he has a level of cunning or "street smarts" if you will , but it's not intelligence.

Nor does his brain work like a normal person - He is utterly incapable of empathy or any normal human emotion outside of anger and lust.

His first, last and only thought is of himself - Every single action and deed is based solely on how it benefits him or how he can hurt those he thinks "wronged" him

On every conceivable level he is totally completely and utterly unsuited to any position of authority over others.

I'll take a good man that *maybe* thinks/operates a little slower than he used to over a quick-thinking vindictive amoral charlatan every day of the week



**yawn**

Do you really need to be so hysterical?
I know you don’t like him but c’mon, you’re TDS is showing.

Please demonstrate any inaccuracies in Quin_Dub's post, with examples por favor.

feargale

Sean.3516 wrote: »

A lot of nonsense came out of Hitler too. And he’s ranked among the best public speakers of the 20th century.

Once again, this isn’t about content it’s about ability.

Comparing his ability to Hitler's? Interesting.

extra gravy

Sean.3516 wrote: »

No it’s not style. It’s pretty basic. I’m taking the fact that Trump can speak for extended periods of time without forgetting he’s alive as an indicator of basic cognitive ability that Biden appears to be lacking.

Please provide examples of Biden’s lack of basic cognitive ability from his speech today. I'll wait.

Sean.3516

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Trump is not intelligent in any measurable way , he has a level of cunning or "street smarts" if you will , but it's not intelligence.

I disagree. He’s done far too many complicated things in his life (and had reasonably good success) for me to assume he’s stupid.

He built a fortune of 4.5 billion and a large multinational organisation. Fair enough, he had the famous “small loan of a million dollars”. But it’s a lot easier to lose a million than to turn it into billions. New York real estate isn’t an easy business. You can’t attribute all his success to the silver spoon. He’s had ups and downs and managed to come back pretty much consistently.

He was also ran a successful TV show which isn’t easy either (and did so successfully).

Not to mention he ran for the US presidency and managed to win. Unlike most presidential candidates who go from rally to rally reciting the same speech, Trump managed to give a unique and at many times extemporaneous speeches wherever he went. Unintelligent people don’t do that.

If I were to guess I’d say he’s 115 to 125 IQ. Not a genius but still quite bright.

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Nor does his brain work like a normal person - He is utterly incapable of empathy or any normal human emotion outside of anger and lust.

I’ve heard him give emotional speeches before. For example when he spoke about his brother who died of alchoholism and how that inspired him to be a lifelong teetotaller.
Likewise when he talked about writing letters to the families of dead military members and witnessing caskets being unloaded from planes.
Recently he hosted families of crime victims from various big cities at the White House. I would say he seemed genuinely empathetic.

Quin_Dub wrote: »

His first, last and only thought is of himself - Every single action and deed is based solely on how it benefits him or how he can hurt those he thinks "wronged" him

Nobody’s “first, last and only thought” is of themselves.

Quin_Dub wrote: »

On every conceivable level he is totally completely and utterly unsuited to any position of authority over others.

He might well be unsuited to the presidency. In fact I’d say he probably is. But he’s managed people his entire life and as I’ve said, he’s been reasonably successful.

Quin_Dub wrote: »

I'll take a good man that *maybe* thinks/operates a little slower than he used to over a quick-thinking vindictive amoral charlatan every day of the week

“Amoral” is a bit strong. Vindictive? Sure. Charlatan? In some instances yes.
I’d put him in over Biden.

dwayneshintzy

Trump lost more money during the 1980s/early 90s than any other individual in America; https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/05/07/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html

Leroy42

Sean.3516 wrote: »

Actually the answer to one of them is “yes”.

This is what the cognitive test Trump took was for. The one with the elephants. People were mocking Trump by saying the test wasn’t hard and that was the whole point. The test is designed to check if you’re basic cognitive faculties are in decline or not. In other words, does your brain work properly.

When Trump was trying to goad Biden into taking the test, it wasn’t to show Trump was a genius.

Trump said it was really tough.

Surely you are deeply concerned about that

Igotadose

CNN (Cook Report) saying Democrats with a good chance to take a majority in the Senate: https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/12/politics/2020-senate-control-democrats-gop/index.html.

Fivethirtyeight reporting 71% chance for Biden, 29% chance for Trump, tempering it with "Biden is in a reasonably strong position: Having a 70-ish percent chance of beating an incumbent in early August before any conventions or debates is far better than the position that most challengers find themselves in. And his chances will improve in our model if he maintains his current lead. But for the time being, the data does not justify substantially more confidence than that.": https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/its-way-too-soon-to-count-trump-out/

The Unbearables

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

Trump lost more money during the 1980s/early 90s than any other individual in America; https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/05/07/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html

And still came back to be the president and a billionare.

The Unbearables

Biden really struggled to look coherent yesterday at that event. What's going to happen when he's put under pressure. Eeeeek

dwayneshintzy

The Unbearables wrote: »

Biden really struggled to look coherent yesterday at that event. What's going to happen when he's put under pressure. Eeeeek

What's an example of his incoherence at the event?

The Unbearables

The Unbearables wrote: »

Biden really struggled to look coherent yesterday at that event. What's going to happen when he's put under pressure. Eeeeek

I'm not sure if you watched the same speech as the rest of us... It had more clarity than any press conference that Trump has done in the past 6 months.

Igotadose

The Unbearables wrote: »

And still came back to be the president and a billionare.

We don't know about the billionaire side. It's easy to be wealthy on Putin's money. Tax returns would help. Putin helped with the Presidency thing, too.

pjohnson

Biden didn't mention fatilities once. He doesnt use words that will impress any Trump fans.

Igotadose

The Unbearables wrote: »

Biden really struggled to look coherent yesterday at that event. What's going to happen when he's put under pressure. Eeeeek

The "Big Lie" in action. Accuse your opponent of what you yourself are doing and repeat repeat repeat to convince yourself and your followers it's true.

Biden was great. Biden was coherent, patient, made good contact with the camera, didn't looked like a 3rd grader reading from his book report in a monotone.

Here's one of an infinity of examples of Trump's incoherence, in this case in as friendly a space as he's usually in, with his co-conspirator Hannity:

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ohnonotgmail

Sean.3516 wrote: »

Actually the answer to one of them is “yes”.

This is what the cognitive test Trump took was for. The one with the elephants. People were mocking Trump by saying the test wasn’t hard and that was the whole point. The test is designed to check if you’re basic cognitive faculties are in decline or not. In other words, does your brain work properly.
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you have no idea how he scored on his cognitive test. he claimed the test was hard. it isn't. he lied about the "person woman man camera TV". those words would never form part of the test. he just described what he seen around him.

duploelabs

The Unbearables wrote: »

And still came back to be the president and a billionare.

Only one of those can be proven true, have you anything to back up that Trump is a billionaire?

Cody montana

The Unbearables wrote: »

Biden really struggled to look coherent yesterday at that event. What's going to happen when he's put under pressure. Eeeeek

Now you’re just trolling.

I must admit, it was bizarre seeing someone show leadership.

Sean.3516

Leroy42 wrote: »

Trump said it was really tough.

Surely you are deeply concerned about that

He said that it got very tough towards the end.

Whatever about the difficulty and Trump’s boasting, he passed the thing.

duploelabs

Sean.3516 wrote: »

He said that it got very tough towards the end.

Whatever about the difficulty and Trump’s boasting, he passed the thing.

Wow, he passed, yet found very difficult, a test that determines if someone should surrender power of attorney. Personally, I witnessed someone in the latter stages of parkinsons and other associated issues pass that test with flying colours. Reassuring

ohnonotgmail

Sean.3516 wrote: »

He said that it got very tough towards the end.

Whatever about the difficulty and Trump’s boasting, he passed the thing.

he thinks that counting backwards from 100 in 7s is very hard. anybody with reasonable cognitive abilities does not think that is hard. he also lied about the contents of part of the test so you cant even believe him that he did actually pass.

Sean.3516

Igotadose wrote: »

We don't know about the billionaire side. It's easy to be wealthy on Putin's money. Tax returns would help. Putin helped with the Presidency thing, too.

Forbes put him at 4.5 billion before he first announced he was running for president. Most recent estimates put him at 2.1 billion.

What evidence do you have that he got wealthy on Putin’s money and that Putin helped win the presidency?

Sean.3516

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

he thinks that counting backwards from 100 in 7s is very hard. anybody with reasonable cognitive abilities does not think that is hard. he also lied about the contents of part of the test so you cant even believe him that he did actually pass.

He was obviously trying to boast because he bragging idiot by calling it hard. He passed it. Never mind what he thought of it.

Do you think Joe Biden could count backwards from 100 in 7s?

Igotadose

Sean.3516 wrote: »

Forbes put him at 4.5 billion before he first announced he was running for president. Most recent estimates put him at 2.1 billion.

Well, that's decided then. No need to see the Taxes - estimates are good

What evidence do you have that he got wealthy on Putin’s money and that Putin helped win the presidency?

Eric was on about how they get their money from Russia. US Intelligence said repeatedly the Russians helped him win via election meddling. Are either of these news to you? Somewhat surprising.

ohnonotgmail

Sean.3516 wrote: »

He was obviously trying to boast because he bragging idiot by calling it hard. He passed it. Never mind what he thought of it.

Do you think Joe Biden could count backwards from 100 in 7s?

he lied about the contents of the test yet you are convinced he passed. and saying a test is hard when it isn't is basic stupidity not boasting.

Leroy42

Sean.3516 wrote: »

Forbes put him at 4.5 billion before he first announced he was running for president. Most recent estimates put him at 2.1 billion.

What evidence do you have that he got wealthy on Putin’s money and that Putin helped win the presidency?

But even Trump himself has admitted to making up some numbers to make things look better.

But it really isn't important how much money he has, or hasn't. Then only reason it is a 'thing' is where he got the money from when he was in big financial difficulties. His son has stated that all of their liquidity was coming from Russia.

He is beholden to anyone? Since he refuses to release his tax returns, and refused to divest himself from his investments when he took the position, it is pretty obvious that he is looking to maximise what he can. Add to that the exorbitant amounts that he charges the secret service and thus the federal government to watch over him when he stays on his own properties, whilst at the same time bumping up the membership fees to those properties, there is a clear whiiff in the air.

Easy enough to clear up, but Trump has refused and as such the whiff hangs around. Ad to all that his total inability to even raise a criticism of Putin, leading to the farcial and frankly embarrassing situation where he is not even prepared to raise the possibly that Russia is actively paying bouties to target US military personnel.

Is that because he is financially beholden to Russia or simply because he lacks a back bone and doesn't care about US soldiers? I don't know but neither are a good look.

Leroy42

Sean.3516 wrote: »

He was obviously trying to boast because he bragging idiot by calling it hard. He passed it. Never mind what he thought of it.

Do you think Joe Biden could count backwards from 100 in 7s?

How do you know he passed it? This is a man that won't release his tax returns but you have had access to his medical records?

What proof is there that he even took the test?

frag420

Sean.3516 wrote: »

Forbes put him at 4.5 billion before he first announced he was running for president. Most recent estimates put him at 2.1 billion.

What evidence do you have that he got wealthy on Putin’s money and that Putin helped win the presidency?

So even by that estimate he has lost almost half his wealth in four years...

This being the guy who bankrupted several casinos, the place where people come and literally hand over their money to you!!

Not exactly inspiring now is it:rolleyes:

The Unbearables

Igotadose wrote: »

We don't know about the billionaire side. It's easy to be wealthy on Putin's money. Tax returns would help. Putin helped with the Presidency thing, too.

Could you please provide a link or some sort of evidence to how he got rich on Putin's money. Take your time if you must.

Wanderer78

frag420 wrote:

So even by that estimate he has lost almost half his wealth in four years...

Its impossible to know how much wealth this chap has, as he's been keeping those cards close to his chest, but you can be damn sure, he rarely puts his hands in his own pockets for anything, and he gets along by stiffing anyone he can along the way. hopefully it all catches up with him, but the sad truth is, wealthy people rarely go to jail

Leroy42

The Unbearables wrote: »

Could you please provide a link or some sort of evidence to how he got rich on Putin's money. Take your time if you must.

His son stated that their business was based on lending from Russia.

according to several sources with knowledge of Trump’s business, foreign money played a large role in reviving his fortunes, in particular investment by wealthy people from Russia and the former Soviet republics. This conclusion is buttressed by a growing body of evidence amassed by news organizations, as well as what is reportedly being investigated by Special Counsel Robert Mueller and the Southern District of New York. It is a conclusion that even Trump’s eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., has appeared to confirm, saying in 2008—after the Trump Organization was prospering again—that “Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets.”

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/12/21/how-russian-money-helped-save-trumps-business/