2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

Overheal

Silentcorner wrote: »

Because I don't believe the polls...I believe that the Democratic Party have lost control of the black vote just like they have lost control of the working class vote...which is why they are marching in cities shouting BLM in a vain attempt to remain relevant to an important demographic....I can't see Biden inspiring them to vote Democrat that is for sure.

The black voters will get to make their decision in November...until then we will just have to wait and see.

....are you saying the BLM protesters marching in the streets are all Democrats party operatives?

Silentcorner

Silentcorner wrote: »

Because I don't believe the polls...I believe that the Democratic Party have lost control of the black vote just like they have lost control of the working class vote...which is why they are marching in cities shouting BLM in a vain attempt to remain relevant to an important demographic....I can't see Biden inspiring them to vote Democrat that is for sure.

The black voters will get to make their decision in November...until then we will just have to wait and see.

The president basically chose to go to war with the black community in the last few months.... So ya, he's not getting that vote. Can you point to what economic policies helped the black communities? Cause those numbers were increasing prior to Trump even being in office...

Cody montana

Silentcorner wrote: »

Because I don't believe the polls...I believe that the Democratic Party have lost control of the black vote just like they have lost control of the working class vote...which is why they are marching in cities shouting BLM in a vain attempt to remain relevant to an important demographic....I can't see Biden inspiring them to vote Democrat that is for sure.

The black voters will get to make their decision in November...until then we will just have to wait and see.

8% of the black votes went to Trump in the last election.
That’s a fact.

Silentcorner

duploelabs wrote: »

Seems a theme going with Trump supporters that they 'get offended' by the tone of a post, rather than disputing the post's actual contents

Sophomoric reverse psychology is what I was accused of...I am not in the slightest bit offended by it, it is a typical response by that particular poster..., but that is a thinly disguised insult...

Silentcorner

Cody montana wrote: »

8% of the black votes went to Trump in the last election.
That’s a fact.

It is no longer at 8%, that is my belief.

dwayneshintzy

Silentcorner wrote: »

Because I don't believe the polls...I believe that the Democratic Party have lost control of the black vote just like they have lost control of the working class vote...which is why they are marching in cities shouting BLM in a vain attempt to remain relevant to an important demographic....I can't see Biden inspiring them to vote Democrat that is for sure.

The black voters will get to make their decision in November...until then we will just have to wait and see.

And what are you basing this on? All empirical evidence will be against you trying to argue this. Have you anything anecdotal? Do you know many Black Americans?

Overheal

Silentcorner wrote: »

Sophomoric reverse psychology is what I was accused of...I am not in the slightest bit offended by it, it is a typical response by that particular poster..., but that is a thinly disguised insult...

It's just pointing out what you were engaged in was sophomoric, it was itself an insult to the intelligence of everyone on the thread.

What Trump policies "specifically targeted black unemployment?"

Do you have any specific examples to offer of the work Trump has done in the middle east that you found "effective?"

Silentcorner

Silentcorner wrote: »

It is no longer at 8%, that is my belief.

What economic policies has Trump specifically engaged in that increased employment levels?

Cody montana

Silentcorner wrote: »

It is no longer at 8%, that is my belief.

Ah that’s alright so.
Well done on backing up your belief with facts.

dwayneshintzy

Overheal wrote: »

....are you saying the BLM protesters marching in the streets are all Democrats party operatives?

Protestors in Hong Kong are CIA plants, of course the "silent majority" supports China and the CCP.

BLM are astro-turfed protestors funded by the DNC, of course the silent majority of Black voters support Trump.

Different sides of the same coin; deluded claptrap.

Overheal

Silentcorner wrote: »

It is no longer at 8%, that is my belief.

Actually it's lower than that now - just 5%

https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/news-polls/thewashingtonpost-police-protest-race-062420

Silentcorner

Deleted User wrote: »

The president basically chose to go to war with the black community in the last few months.... So ya, he's not getting that vote. Can you point to what economic policies helped the black communities? Cause those numbers were increasing prior to Trump even being in office...

Gone to war with the black community? Are you suggesting that the black community on mass were responsible for the rioting and looting that the US has witnessed over the last few months?

Or just the extreme minority of the black community?

Is attempting to control those riots considered war?

He set up special investment zones and offered tax relief for investors allowing black people the opportunity of owning their own business in their own part of town....of course, many of those black owned businesses have been impacted by the rioting and looting but you can't hold Trump responsible for that surely?

AS i have previously said, the black community will get to express their opinion on Trump come November!

Overheal

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

Protestors in Hong Kong are CIA plants, of course the "silent majority" supports China and the CCP.

BLM are astro-turfed protestors funded by the DNC, of course the silent majority of Black voters support Trump.

Different sides of the same coin; deluded claptrap.

So in HK there were between 330k to 2 million protesters.

The CIA's entire headcount is 21,575 employees.

Do you have evidence that the millions of protesters this summer are all funded by the DNC? You're discussing what must surely be billions of dollars. Do you have receipts?

What Trump policies "specifically targeted black unemployment?"

Do you have any specific examples to offer of the work Trump has done in the middle east that you found "effective?"

Cody montana

Overheal wrote: »

Actually it's lower than that now - just 5%

https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/news-polls/thewashingtonpost-police-protest-race-062420

Not to mention his handling of the blm movement.

Overheal

Silentcorner wrote:

He set up special investment zones and offered tax relief for investors allowing black people the opportunity of owning their own business in their own part of town....of course, many of those black owned businesses have been impacted by the rioting and looting but you can't hold Trump responsible for that surely?

That was Senator Tim Scott's policy, not Trump's. It had led to increased gentrification. Have any others?

duploelabs

Silentcorner wrote: »

Gone to war with the black community? Are you suggesting that the black community on mass were responsible for the rioting and looting that the US has witnessed over the last few months?

What's with labelling protesters 'rioters and looters'? A small minority were but not all.

In the same way, it's not commonplace to label Trump supporters racists, however it's quite a correlation to say that all racists are Trump supporters

Silentcorner

Overheal wrote: »

Actually it's lower than that now - just 5%

https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/news-polls/thewashingtonpost-police-protest-race-062420

Ya you see, I don't believe the polls.

I don't believe this one either...which puts it much higher

https://www.cnsnews.com/article/national/andrew-davenport/rasmussen-trump-approval-rating-36-among-black-voters

We won't know what it is until November but it ain't 8%...that I am sure of.

dwayneshintzy

Overheal wrote: »

So in HK there were between 330k to 2 million protesters.

The CIA's entire headcount is 21,575 employees.

Do you have evidence that the millions of protesters this summer are all funded by the DNC? You're discussing what must surely be billions of dollars. Do you have receipts?

What Trump policies "specifically targeted black unemployment?"

Do you have any specific examples to offer of the work Trump has done in the middle east that you found "effective?"

My point was that both are pure bollocks. Trump and Republicans will "support" Hong Kong protestors, and then say the same things about BLM protests that the CCP do about HK.

Overheal

Silentcorner wrote: »

Ya you see, I don't believe the polls.

I don't believe this one either...which puts it much higher

https://www.cnsnews.com/article/national/andrew-davenport/rasmussen-trump-approval-rating-36-among-black-voters

We won't know what it is until November but it ain't 8%...that I am sure of.

2 different polls for 2 different topics: yours is for approval of the job Trump is doing as President, the one I linked to is an Ipsos poll that asked voters who they supported for the election.

Overheal

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

My point was that both are pure bollocks.

Nonsense.

extra gravy

Silentcorner wrote: »

He set up special investment zones and offered tax relief for investors allowing black people the opportunity of owning their own business in their own part of town....

23% of all African American men, women and children live below the poverty level in the US. What did he do for them? Because they don't have the money for basic food never mind to take advantage of tax relief or special investment zones.

dwayneshintzy

Silentcorner wrote: »

Ya you see, I don't believe the polls.

I don't believe this one either...which puts it much higher

https://www.cnsnews.com/article/national/andrew-davenport/rasmussen-trump-approval-rating-36-among-black-voters

We won't know what it is until November but it ain't 8%...that I am sure of.

I asked earlier; do you know many Black Americans?


You linked an approval rating, not a poll.

Silentcorner

Silentcorner wrote: »

Gone to war with the black community? Are you suggesting that the black community on mass were responsible for the rioting and looting that the US has witnessed over the last few months?

Or just the extreme minority of the black community?

Is attempting to control those riots considered war?

He set up special investment zones and offered tax relief for investors allowing black people the opportunity of owning their own business in their own part of town....of course, many of those black owned businesses have been impacted by the rioting and looting but you can't hold Trump responsible for that surely?

AS i have previously said, the black community will get to express their opinion on Trump come November!

I'm suggesting that they were primarily protests that tended to be inflamed when the president sent in troops that weren't asked for. He's entirely ignored the issue of how black communities are treated by the police. He's basically used the protests to show he's pro authoritarian more than anything else.

The opportunity zones benefits are greatly exaggerated. So nope, he cannot currently claim credit for countless jobs created via them.

It added, “Although OZs were designed to spur job creation, the vast majority of OZ capital appears to be flowing into real estate, not into operating businesses.” That’s contrary to Trump’s claim that the program has created “countless jobs.”

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/06/trumps-unsupported-claim-about-opportunity-zone-investments/

Silentcorner

Overheal wrote: »

That was Senator Tim Scott's policy, not Trump's. It had led to increased gentrification. Have any others?

Can I ask you a question, do you blame Clinton for the controversial crime bill that decimated communities of colour and accelerated mass incarceration or do you blame Joe Biden, the man who drafted it?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violent_Crime_Control_and_Law_Enforcement_Act

dwayneshintzy

Overheal wrote: »

Nonsense.

I only brought up Hong Kong because the hypocrisy of Trump and the Republicans is clear when you compare the HK protests and BLM protests. Maybe I shouldn't have brought up HK as it's seemed to confuse things......but it's not nonsense. The idea that the CIA are funding the HK protests is bollocks, as is the idea that the DNC are funding BLM protests.

Silentcorner

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

I asked earlier; do you know many Black Americans?


You linked an approval rating, not a poll.

It is a ridiculously stupid question that is why I didn't answer it....even if I did know a black american how many would I need to know to be able to express an opinion 100?1000?...I have expressed an opinion, a belief, I may well be wrong, but I don't believe that black communities in certain major cities in the US are happy with where their policing policies are going...

Silentcorner

extra gravy wrote: »

23% of all African American men, women and children live below the poverty level in the US. What did he do for them? Because they don't have the money for basic food never mind to take advantage of tax relief or special investment zones.

The black community were at historic low unemployment levels before the pandemic....that is a start surely....and it is a sad indictment on the previous administration that is remains so low.

dwayneshintzy

Silentcorner wrote: »

It is a ridiculously stupid question that is why I didn't answer it....even if I did know a black american how many would I need to know to be able to express an opinion 100?1000?...I have expressed an opinion, a belief, I may well be wrong, but I don't believe that black communities in certain major cities in the US are happy with where their policing policies are going...

So you're basing your assertion that Black communities will support Trump, on nothing other than you support Trump yourself.


It's nonsense.

Overheal

Silentcorner wrote: »

Can I ask you a question,

What Trump policies "specifically targeted black unemployment?"

Do you have any specific examples to offer of the work Trump has done in the middle east that you found "effective?"

Silentcorner

Silentcorner wrote: »

It is a ridiculously stupid question that is why I didn't answer it....even if I did know a black american how many would I need to know to be able to express an opinion 100?1000?...I have expressed an opinion, a belief, I may well be wrong, but I don't believe that black communities in certain major cities in the US are happy with where their policing policies are going...

It's not exactly an opinion founded in reality. A huge proportion of black Americans are subject to poor treatment by the police so the last few months and how Trump responded to it are not likely to make them pro Trump. There's also no proof that he's responsible for substantial job increases for black Americans.