2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

Silentcorner

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

Well I did support Sanders in a state primary, and I'll now support Biden. To say that you'd have supported Sanders, but now support Trump, implies no logical consistency to policy positions which you believe in.

Who's Sanders saying to support?

I now consider Trump to be a moderate Republican, based on his actions since taking office, and I have no issue with a moderate Republican....I'd have voted for Saunders in 2016 driven by my disdain for Trump at the time and my belief that Saunders by Irish standards would be moderate by any measure.

And it is possible to be flexible in what I believe in, growing up has taught me that!!!!

dwayneshintzy

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Kamala Harris was saying only a few weeks ago the claims against Sleepy Joe were credible and now she has no problem running as his VP, haven't seen her challenged on why she changed her mind about him.

Because you're chatting nonsense.

Give us some links to back up what you're saying there sure.

Timberrrrrrrr

Kidchameleon wrote: »

No, it was Biden himself that chickened out:

"The Biden campaign said in a letter to the Commission on Presidential Debates that it would accept the planned debate schedule for September and October, and it [b[registered opposition to the Trump campaign’s push for an additional presidential debate"[/b]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/joe-biden-rejects-trumps-push-for-more-debates-11592860503

No one "chickened out" it was because they wanted to control the debate

The Trump campaign also included in its request a list of suggested moderators for the debates. The commission said it would stick to its longstanding process of selecting moderators. 

"It will do so with great care, as always, to ensure that the selected moderators are qualified and fair," the letter said.

The campaign also suggested two dozen potential debate moderators, including Fox News’ Bret Baier, Shannon Bream, Harris Faulkner and Bill Hemmer, as well as David Muir of ABC News and Norah O’Donnell of CBS News.

gmisk

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Kamala Harris was saying only a few weeks ago the claims against Sleepy Joe were credible and now she has no problem running as his VP, haven't seen her challenged on why she changed her mind about him.

A few weeks ago? You have a link to that? Thanks.

The only thing I can find is from April 2019....

dwayneshintzy

Silentcorner wrote: »

I now consider Trump to be a moderate Republican, based on his actions since taking office, and I have no issue with a moderate Republican....I'd have voted for Saunders in 2016 driven by my disdain for Trump at the time and my belief that Saunders by Irish standards would be moderate by any measure.

And it is possible to be flexible in what I believe in, growing up has taught me that!!!!

What do you think Biden is, on the political spectrum?

Silentcorner

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

What do you think Biden is, on the political spectrum?

I don't think Biden himself knows what he is....

ohnonotgmail

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

No one "chickened out" it was because they wanted to control the debate

I'm surprised they didnt suggest somebody from OANN.

dwayneshintzy

Silentcorner wrote: »

I don't think Biden himself knows what he is....

What does this mean?

Another "feeling" that will be impossible to challenge?

Galwayguy35

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

Because you're chatting nonsense.

Give us some links to back up what you're saying there sure.

No I'm not talking talking nonsense she did say it, educate yourself before having a go at me.

jamule

Silentcorner wrote: »

I don't think Biden himself knows what he is....

and yet he has published a whole host of policy docs. and King Chairman Trump..... I can't even type with the laughter, something about staying more in washington

ohnonotgmail

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

No I'm not talking talking nonsense she did say it, educate yourself before having a go at me.

well then put up a source that confirms it.

gmisk

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

No I'm not talking talking nonsense she did say it, educate yourself before having a go at me.

She said it a few weeks ago according to you? So give us a link.

Tell me how

Silentcorner wrote: »

I also believe that the articulate liberal class do not understand what is happening and often resort to a kind of condescending attitude to those who they can't understand (in general I mean)...but what is happening is the people the leadership of major political parties are supposed to be representing have sent a very clear message...calling them deplorables is typical of that articulate liberal class!!!

What is this very clear message?

Hillary won the popular vote by 3M in 2016, so, at that point, the majority of the people in the US did not want Trump as President.

Now, he is, and deservedly so as he won the electoral college system which determines who ends up in the White House but this vague rhetoric about 'the people' and silent majority has no basis in evidence?

I have no problem in saying that I find some of the advocates of Trumps ideas to be deplorable because for the most part it is rooted in a desire for their lifestyles to be protected irrespective of who else has too suffer as a consequence of that. Hence the angle he took with telling suburbanites that he would protect their neighbourhoods recently. That was a message coming from the President of the United States. One who supposedly has the support of many who would live in lower class neighbourhoods and yet we have people here telling us that he is their guy.

As for the support for Sanders at this point, I take it with a pinch of salt. Sanders is all for the BLM movement and the Green New Deal. Lets see people supporting those ideals on threads dedicated to them and I'll start to believe they would support Sanders if he was still in the mix.

dwayneshintzy

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

No I'm not talking talking nonsense she did say it, educate yourself before having a go at me.

I'm not having a go, what you said was complete nonsense. The fact that you won't back up what you've said, demonstrates that.

Galwayguy35

gmisk wrote: »

A few weeks ago? You have a link to that? Thanks.

The only thing I can find is from April 2019....

Well thats when I heard it on the news, fair enough it was last year but she did say it and now has changed her mind.

ohnonotgmail

Tell me how wrote: »

What is this very clear message?

Hillary won the popular vote by 3M in 2016, so, at that point, the majority of the people in the US did not want Trump as President.

Now, he is, and deservedly so as he won the electoral college system which determines who ends up in the White House but this vague rhetoric about 'the people' and silent majority has no basis in evidence?

I have no problem in saying that I find some of the advocates of Trumps ideas to be deplorable because for the most part it is rooted in a desire for their lifestyles to be protected irrespective of who else has too suffer as a consequence of that. Hence the angle he took with telling suburbanites that he would protect their neighbourhoods recently. That was a message coming from the President of the United States. One who supposedly has the support of many who would live in lower class neighbourhoods and yet we have people here telling us that he is their guy.

As for the support for Sanders at this point, I take it with a pinch of salt. Sanders is all for the BLM movement and the Green New Deal. Lets see people supporting those ideals on threads dedicated to them and I'll start to believe they would support Sanders if he was still in the mix.

if it was Sanders on the ticket they would be decrying him as a commie.

Timberrrrrrrr

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

No I'm not talking talking nonsense she did say it, educate yourself before having a go at me.

You made a claim, the onus is on you to provide evidence for the claim when asked

Tell me how

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Kamala Harris was saying only a few weeks ago the claims against Sleepy Joe were credible and now she has no problem running as his VP, haven't seen her challenged on why she changed her mind about him.

Any comments she made about him were at the time when she was on the ticket for the Presidential nominee, which was months ago, and so it pretty much is a free for all at that point. Obama did the same about Hillary on 2008 and then made her secretary for state.

But seeing as it bothers you, do you want to go through the before and after comments from Trump about Cohen, Bolton, Bannon, Tillerson (and them about him) and examine those in the context of his 'I hire the best people' claim.

Silentcorner

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

What does this mean?

Another "feeling" that will be impossible to challenge?

Calm down....

I think Biden should be enjoying his time with the grandkids and not running for the highest office in the country, he is clearly deteriorating and if the pandemic were not allowing him a handy excuse, it would be cruel to subject that man to a Presidential election, that is what I mean....now that is my opinion, which you asked for....if you don't like it go f##k yourself!

Galwayguy35

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

You made a claim, the onus is on you to provide evidence for the claim when asked

I was watching Sky news when it was mentioned, I doubt Sky are just making it up

ohnonotgmail

gmisk wrote: »

A few weeks ago? You have a link to that? Thanks.

The only thing I can find is from April 2019....

what did she actually say?

drunkmonkey

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Kamala Harris was saying only a few weeks ago the claims against Sleepy Joe were credible and now she has no problem running as his VP, haven't seen her challenged on why she changed her mind about him.

It was over a year ago but your correct. https://finance.yahoo.com/video/sen-kamala-harris-says-believe-181901449.html

Tell me how

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

I was watching Sky news when it was mentioned, I doubt Sky are just making it up

This is up there with Trumps 'Many people say' style of flat out lying.

dwayneshintzy

Silentcorner wrote: »

Calm down....

I think Biden should be enjoying his time with the grandkids and not running for the highest office in the country, he is clearly deteriorating and if the pandemic were not allowing him a handy excuse, it would be cruel to subject that man to a Presidential election, that is what I mean....now that is my opinion, which you asked for....if you don't like it go f##k yourself!

Quite impressive telling me to calm down, AND to go f##k myself in the same post

Galwayguy35

Tell me how wrote: »

Any comments she made about him were at the time when she was on the ticket for the Presidential nominee, which was months ago, and so it pretty much is a free for all at that point. Obama did the same about Hillary on 2008 and then made her secretary for state.

But seeing as it bothers you, do you want to go through the before and after comments from Trump about Cohen, Bolton, Bannon, Tillerson (and them about him) and examine those in the context of his 'I hire the best people' claim.

No but people here are suggesting i just made it up, I admitted I was wrong in the time period in my previous post but she did say it.

gmisk

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

what did she actually say?

Snopes have a decent summary of it.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/harris-believe-biden-accusers/

He did also apologise.

It was April 2019 when she said it.


What's True
On April 2, 2019, Harris said "I believe them," in reference to four women who had by then accused Biden of inappropriate touching.

What's False
Harris has not said that she believes all of Biden's accusers, in particular Tara Reade, who, almost one year after Harris' remarks, accused Biden of raping her. When questioned about Reade's allegations, Harris did not say that she believed them.

Silentcorner

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

Quite impressive telling me to calm down, AND to go f##k myself in the same post

Well, don't be condescending I will extend the same courtesy...

ohnonotgmail

gmisk wrote: »

Snopes have a decent summary of it.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/harris-believe-biden-accusers/

He did also apologise.

It was April 2019 when she said it.


What's True
On April 2, 2019, Harris said "I believe them," in reference to four women who had by then accused Biden of inappropriate touching.

What's False
Harris has not said that she believes all of Biden's accusers, in particular Tara Reade, who, almost one year after Harris' remarks, accused Biden of raping her. When questioned about Reade's allegations, Harris did not say that she believed them.

this is a link to the video that somebody shared. she says "I believe him" not "I believe them".is there a different video?

https://finance.yahoo.com/video/sen-kamala-harris-says-believe-181901449.html?guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYm9hcmRzLmllL3ZidWxsZXRpbi9zaG93dGhyZWFkLnBocD90PTIwNTgwOTk2NTEmcGFnZT01MA&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAN2PFOb46SfcVKVLbBcl-FTXf_H5goBofvTISToCxuehyxv-Dx4PYDxeK8Jcd0KurBxuBxDXkpKJK9lvrMM7_J3UXGLpnmQKtQizxfO2_B_Y1TQvKEUp5d7pta4jcC03GC4Ttt1dvFpcCESJ5A8KUHvglqckVTrNn23ZvmszqsVb&_guc_consent_skip=1597522793

gmisk

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

this is a link to the video that somebody shared. she says "I believe him" not "I believe them".is there a different video?

https://finance.yahoo.com/video/sen-kamala-harris-says-believe-181901449.html?guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYm9hcmRzLmllL3ZidWxsZXRpbi9zaG93dGhyZWFkLnBocD90PTIwNTgwOTk2NTEmcGFnZT01MA&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAN2PFOb46SfcVKVLbBcl-FTXf_H5goBofvTISToCxuehyxv-Dx4PYDxeK8Jcd0KurBxuBxDXkpKJK9lvrMM7_J3UXGLpnmQKtQizxfO2_B_Y1TQvKEUp5d7pta4jcC03GC4Ttt1dvFpcCESJ5A8KUHvglqckVTrNn23ZvmszqsVb&_guc_consent_skip=1597522793

It says I believe him in subtitles but I am pretty sure it's them she says.

It's a real mountain out of a molehill imo, it was also a fair while ago and he apologised.

Cody montana

Silentcorner wrote: »

Calm down....

I think Biden should be enjoying his time with the grandkids and not running for the highest office in the country, he is clearly deteriorating and if the pandemic were not allowing him a handy excuse, it would be cruel to subject that man to a Presidential election, that is what I mean....now that is my opinion, which you asked for....if you don't like it go f##k yourself!

Just to quote you earlier.

“I never said you were...I'm just asking you a question, feel free to throw a cleverly disguised insult at me for asking you that question or just ignore me, whatever it's just an online forum, and it is just a question.“