2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

Timberrrrrrrr

Eric Cartman wrote: »

say something positive about Donald trumps presidency.

It will soon be over.

eeepaulo

Eric Cartman wrote: »

say something positive about Donald trumps presidency.

It will end

Overheal

The Unbearables wrote: »

He has continued to appoint conservative judges at a record pace.

He ordered the operation that killed Islamic State leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.

He delivered the biggest blow to Planned Parenthood in three decades.

His tariff threats forced Mexico to crack down on illegal immigration

His “maximum pressure” campaign is crippling Iran.

He stood with the people of Hong Kong.

He has got NATO allies to cough up more money for America's collective security.

He implemented tighter work requirements for food stamps.

Unemployment was at record lows before the China virus. Last year the number of job openings outnumbered the unemployed workers to fill them by the widest gap ever; wages where rising, and low-wage workers are experiencing the fastest pay increases. Fifty-seven percent of Americans said they where better off financially since Trump took office.

There is plenty of other positives Trump has brought to the table.

Any opinions of your own that aren’t plagiarized?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/12/26/best-things-trump-has-done/

Eric Cartman

Eric Cartman wrote: »

say something positive about Donald trumps presidency.

I'm good, I'm not here to play silly games with you. You've not addressed a single thing I've said which says a lot.

ancapailldorcha

Eric Cartman wrote: »

say something positive about Donald trumps presidency.

It's shown that whoever drafted the constitution really nailed it on the checks and balances.

Timberrrrrrrr

Overheal wrote: »

Any opinions of your own that aren’t plagiarized?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/12/26/best-things-trump-has-done/

oh dear


Another one? Or the same one?

Carfacemandog

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

oh dear


Another one? Or the same one?

I had thought it was obvious for weeks now?

That they were plagiarizing and disingenuous, of course!

Eric Cartman

This is just what I expected, not even one objective viewpoint, just hate.

ancapailldorcha

Eric Cartman wrote: »

This is just what I expected, not even one objective viewpoint, just hate.

Perhaps if we had some opinions beyond victimhood fantasies and persecution complexes.

Carfacemandog

ELM327 wrote: »

You see, this is the stuff the left would ignore.
But it's the same reason that killary lost in 2016 and sleepy joe will lose this year. The silent majority.

I thought you were pro choice?

uptherebels

ELM327 wrote: »

You see, this is the stuff the left would ignore.
But it's the same reason that killary lost in 2016 and sleepy joe will lose this year. The silent majority.

What silent majority?

Cody montana

Overheal wrote: »

Any opinions of your own that aren’t plagiarized?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/12/26/best-things-trump-has-done/

Not being obtuse, but easy to spot who this poster was now.

The federalist copy and paste artist springs to mind!

Quin_Dub

ELM327 wrote: »

You see, this is the stuff the left would ignore.
But it's the same reason that killary lost in 2016 and sleepy joe will lose this year. The silent majority.

There is no "Silent Majority" , there wasn't one on 2016 and there isn't one now.

This idea that people are lying to pollsters because they are ashamed to admit they are Trump voters is utterly ridiculous.

I can accept that people may not want to reveal their voting preferences to Work Colleagues , neighbours or In-laws. I know I don't discuss politics in those situations either.

But the idea that somehow telling an anonymous pollster over the phone or via a web survey is something that people would be reticent to do it is patently ridiculous. and even if they did feel a pang of shame , would they not choose "undecided" instead?

There are far less undecided voters this time around.

Despite the "The polls were wrong " mantra that gets trotted out - No they weren't , where they were weak was not looking closely enough at the swing state levels and being focused on the National number.

That is not the case this time around , all the major polling companies are focused on those States are tracking them closely.

Trumps alleged "Silent Majority" in 2016 amounted to 77,000 votes or so across a handful of states out of the 136M+ votes cast.

Or more specifically , 77,774 votes out of just shy of 15M Votes cast in the 3 States he won to take him over 270 - Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin, which is about 0.5%.

That is not a "Silent Majority" or anything like it , in fact he won a lot of the Red states by smaller margins than previous elections

In Texas for example , he won by 9 points , Romney won it by 16 and McCain won it by 12.

Muahahaha

Cody montana wrote: »

Looks like Michelle Obama was the star speaker at the Dem convention.

Trump seems to be running on hate, fear and lies.
Biden on compassion, science and change.

Unfortunately trump won with hate, fear and lies the first time.

Have watched a few clips of the DNC last night and this speaker stood out. Shes a lady from Arizona whose father was a Trump supporter and voter who died of the virus because he was influenced by Trump

Urquiza talked about her father's trust in Trump, and how he went out to a karaoke bar in May after the state reopened businesses.
“He had faith in Donald Trump," she said. "[He] listened to him, believed him and his mouthpieces when they said that coronavirus was under control and going to disappear; that it was OK to end social distancing rules before it was safe and that if you had no underlying health conditions."A few weeks after the karaoke outing, Urquiza said her father was hospitalized and put on a ventilator.
"After five agonizing days, he died alone in the ICU with a nurse holding his hand," she said as the slideshow displayed an image of her father in the hospital.
Urquiza said that Trump didn't cause the virus, "but his dishonesty and his irresponsible actions made it so much worse."

The video is here, it is quite moving and she said that when her father was on his deathbed he said that he felt like a fool for trusting Trump
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/kristin-urquiza-daughter-lost-father-covid-19-blames/story?id=72433606

The Unbearables

The Presidents campaign seems to be gaining momentum at the right time. He's closed the gap in the polls over the last couple of weeks and bunker joe is going to need the silent majority to not vote to stand a chance.

The Unbearables

ELM327 wrote: »

You see, this is the stuff the left would ignore.
But it's the same reason that killary lost in 2016 and sleepy joe will lose this year. The silent majority.

The silent majority will win out for the president as they did in 2016.

uptherebels

The Unbearables wrote: »

The Presidents campaign seems to be gaining momentum at the right time. He's closed the gap in the polls over the last couple of weeks and bunker joe is going to need the silent majority to not vote to stand a chance.

Which polls are you referring to?

Overheal

The Unbearables wrote: »

The silent majority will win out for the president as they did in 2016.

Speaking of silent no comment on your plagiarism?

duploelabs

The Unbearables wrote: »

The silent majority will win out for the president as they did in 2016.

Those silent majority you refer to isn't the same as the dog whistle that's referred to on far right publications. What won trump the election is the blue-collared workers who were disenfranchised as their man, Bernie, didn't get the nomination. So their choice was to vote for Hillary, who was fairly right side of the Democratic Party, or Trump, who had no real agenda apart from a few catchphrase empty promises like Build the Wall or Lock her Up (none of which did he actually succeed in doing in 4 years). Hillary was an extremely poor candidate so for those blue collared workers (and the undecideds who are about 33-37% of the electorate) they threw their vote at trump as they didn't know his form but it was better than the other.
This time round, they know his form, and that won't win their vote as he's done nothing to appeal to those undecideds, and now Bernie is actively encouraging his voters to vote for Biden,
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election/bernie-sanders-speech-dnc-joe-biden-support-2020-election-donald-trump-a9675151.html
So this nebulous 'silent majority' isn't there for Trump despite what you claim, and that's why he will not win in November

amdublin

Overheal wrote: »

Speaking of silent no comment on your plagiarism?

Not to be obtuse, but I predict you will never get a comment on this

ChikiChiki

I'm sure Donny will have something to say about Jacinda Ardern. Typically he lashes out when criticized by a female leader.

amdublin

After Day 1 of the Democratic National Convention, if I was Donald Trump I would be feeling the fear now

My prediction is The silent majority are people:
- embarrassed/ashamed they voted for him in 2016 (how bad can it be?) and are looking for redemption in their 2020 vote

duploelabs

amdublin wrote: »

Not to be obtuse, but I predict you will never get a comment on this

You might get an acute response, but it's definitely not obtuse

The Unbearables

duploelabs wrote: »

Those silent majority you refer to isn't the same as the dog whistle that's referred to on far right publications. What won trump the election is the blue-collared workers who were disenfranchised as their man, Bernie, didn't get the nomination. So their choice was to vote for Hillary, who was fairly right side of the Democratic Party, or Trump, who had no real agenda apart from a few catchphrase empty promises like Build the Wall or Lock her Up (none of which did he actually succeed in doing in 4 years). Hillary was an extremely poor candidate so for those blue collared workers (and the undecideds who are about 33-37% of the electorate) they threw their vote at trump as they didn't know his form but it was better than the other.
This time round, they know his form, and that won't win their vote as he's done nothing to appeal to those undecideds, and now Bernie is actively encouraging his voters to vote for Biden,
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election/bernie-sanders-speech-dnc-joe-biden-support-2020-election-donald-trump-a9675151.html
So this nebulous 'silent majority' isn't there for Trump despite what you claim, and that's why he will not win in November

I wish you well but I'm afraid you are incorrect.

The president will be serving a second term.

duploelabs

The Unbearables wrote: »

I wish you well but I'm afraid you are incorrect.

The president will be serving a second term.

Care to quantify that? Or are you just going to copy and paste someone else's work and claim it as your own?

Eric Cartman

ChikiChiki wrote: »

I'm sure Donny will have something to say about Jacinda Ardern. Typically he lashes out when criticized by a female leader.

lashes out when criticised by any leader, but sure throw gender into the mix there just to make him seem like a sexist.

ohnonotgmail

ChikiChiki wrote: »

I'm sure Donny will have something to say about Jacinda Ardern. Typically he lashes out when criticized by a female leader.

expect the word Nasty to be used. Donnie has a very limited vocabulary when it comes to women.

The Unbearables

The Unbearables wrote: »

The silent majority will win out for the president as they did in 2016.

Thing is, it looks incredibly likely for states to flip to Biden. Trump is not going to flip states.

Quin_Dub

The Unbearables wrote: »

The Presidents campaign seems to be gaining momentum at the right time. He's closed the gap in the polls over the last couple of weeks and bunker joe is going to need the silent majority to not vote to stand a chance.

No, he hasn't , not even a little.

As was already answered to another supporter claiming the poll were moving in his favour.

Yes ONE poll (from CNN) showed him closing the gap , but the majority did not.

The gap has actually widened.

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Indeed - However almost every other new poll showed Biden maintaining a healthy lead.

So much so that his "blended" lead in the RCP Average increased from 7.4 to 7.7 yesterday when they included the glut of polls over the last few days. It also has him above the key 50% threshold - A level Clinton never got to.

His "Battleground state" lead is also holding steady.

I would assume that there will be a barrage of polling this week and next to gauge the impact of the Conventions so we'll see where things lie at the end of the Month , but early voting starts in about 4 weeks.

Trump won in 2016 by sweeping up a large chunk of the "undecided" voters. He did not win over any significant volume of Democrat voters

There doesn't appear to be enough of those around this time though.

Take the Battleground States from RCP

Biden is on 48.7% , Trump on 44.4% so that means there are 6.9% of voters either undecided or going 3rd Party in those states. There were almost twice as many in that bucket at this same point in 2016.

The Libertarian/Greens tickets will probably take 1-2% maybe 3% at a push , so that leaves at most 4-5% of undecided voters.

To win Trump needs to move ALL of them over to him .

A very very big ask.

And just further on those "Battlegounds" - The GOP and Trump have already ceded the field in Michigan , they have suspended all advertising there , they know they can't win

ELM327

The Unbearables wrote: »

The silent majority will win out for the president as they did in 2016.

Here's hoping