2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

Igotadose

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Firstly, this is pure opinion on my part but... they were in the park that weekend, up to no good (by their own admission). There was a wave of crime in the park over those few days (rapes, robbery's etc). Their parents were present when they confessed (so they were not being forced to confess). The victim stated that there were multiple people involved in her attack. I believe they played the race card to get off and the world being what it is, let them off. Nothing has changed, look at George Floyd for example - a complete waster being deified because of his race - its the same kind of situation.

Deified? You should leave the insecurity at the door. And, because the CP5 were in the park, they deserve the death penalty? Fine if that's your opinion.

Their parents were NOT present when they confessed. At least 2 of the parents instructed their child to confess when they knew he was innocent. The confessions were coerced and vacated as someone else stated. https://www.oxygen.com/martinis-murder/bobby-mccray-antron-central-park-5

Igotadose

ELM327 wrote: »

If he wins (big if) he'll be a one termer.
He may not even win the DNC nomination for a second term.


I still can't believe the dems didn't go with Sanders.

I still can't believe they didn't nominate Harris, but I've gotten over it.

ohnonotgmail

ELM327 wrote: »

If he wins (big if) he'll be a one termer.
He may not even win the DNC nomination for a second term.


I still can't believe the dems didn't go with Sanders.

he has no intention of going for a second term. he has been very clear on this.

ELM327

Igotadose wrote: »

I still can't believe they didn't nominate Harris, but I've gotten over it.

I'm not sure Harris would be a contender at this point.

Incidentally as someone who is not a Dem supporter I'm happy at the Biden ticket, just can't see why they didnt pick a better candidate

ELM327

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

he has no intention of going for a second term. he has been very clear on this.

When I googled I only found results from December 2019.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/474027-biden-indicates-he-will-only-serve-one-term-as-president-report


He may change his mind if elected. Or, more likely, his controlling backers will change his mind for him.

Eric Cartman

ELM327 wrote: »

If he wins (big if) he'll be a one termer.
He may not even win the DNC nomination for a second term.


I still can't believe the dems didn't go with Sanders.

He's just too left for America. Floating voters would never go for him and even some registered dems wouldn't be interested.

ohnonotgmail

ELM327 wrote: »

When I googled I only found results from December 2019.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/474027-biden-indicates-he-will-only-serve-one-term-as-president-report


He may change his mind if elected. Or, more likely, his controlling backers will change his mind for him.

*yawn*

Leroy42

ELM327 wrote: »

If he wins (big if) he'll be a one termer.
He may not even win the DNC nomination for a second term.


I still can't believe the dems didn't go with Sanders.

He is too left-wing for the US.

He is an independent, so not even a true DNC.

It wasn't the party that didn't select him, it was the voters.

He has made a significant impact though, moving the dial significantly to the left and opening the way for people like AOC etc to take an increased role.

The US is not ready to embrace 'the left', they have been conditioned to deliver that socialism equals communism and all socialism results in places like Venezuala, despite the evidence of places like Europe , Australia, NZ, Nordic countries given ample evidence that it can work if done properly.

drunkmonkey

If AOC wasn't easy on the eye I don't think she'd have got as much traction as she has. She's a bit loopy though. Aka eat the babies,. certainly plays into the Qanon conspiracy theories.

Quin_Dub

drunkmonkey wrote: »

If AOC wasn't easy on the eye I don't think she'd have got as much traction as she has. She's a bit loopy though. Aka eat the babies,. certainly plays into the Qanon conspiracy theories.

Seriously?

Misogyny and Conspiracy theories all rolled into one.

biko

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Define good. Relative to the current IMPOTUS, abso-friggin-lutely.

sydthebeat wrote: »

Better than the Donald???
Absolutely.

Penn wrote: »

But compared to Trump.... f*ck it, he'll do.

So Biden's only strength is really just "is not Trump"?

ollkiller

biko wrote: »

So Biden's only strength is really just "is not Trump"?

As I said before Biden's slogan should be "I'm not that guy"

ELM327

drunkmonkey wrote: »

If AOC wasn't easy on the eye I don't think she'd have got as much traction as she has. She's a bit loopy though. Aka eat the babies,. certainly plays into the Qanon conspiracy theories.

I find her policies equally as repugnant as her appearance. Not that the second matters of course. The important part is her politics. Which I find abhorrent.

ELM327

biko wrote: »

So Biden's only strength is really just "is not Trump"?

That's his tag line.

ohnonotgmail

biko wrote: »

So Biden's only strength is really just "is not Trump"?

a lump of **** on a stick would be a better president than trump.

Quin_Dub

biko wrote: »

So Biden's only strength is really just "is not Trump"?

Well - It's the things that make him "Not Trump" that are his Strengths.

Empathy
Compassion
Experience
Willingness to listen to Science (and subject matter experts in general)

A lot of people think that Biden from a purely policy point of view is a bit too vanilla and a bit too "more of the same" - In the context of Presidencies before Trump.

However - More of what was had "Before Trump" is many orders of magnitude better than the alternative in November.

Sonics2k

drunkmonkey wrote: »

If AOC wasn't easy on the eye I don't think she'd have got as much traction as she has. She's a bit loopy though. Aka eat the babies,. certainly plays into the Qanon conspiracy theories.

I know you hate to hear this, and that's precisely why I'll say it.

AOC is the literal definition of the American dream. A young person who put herself through College while working a low paying job. No one backing her up with millions of dollars and yes men telling her everything she wanted to hear.

She loves her community and people, cares about improving life for them and works her ass off and now she's a highly influential and respected US Rep.

Trump on the other hand was raised a pampered little boy who was handed everything he wanted, that is not the American Dream.

Carfacemandog

biko wrote: »

So Biden's only strength is really just "is not Trump"?

No, it's that his main strength is being better than Trump, who at this point has absolutely destroyed the economy he (Biden)and Obama rebuilt.

He also has better faculties than Trump. Both are prone to moments of incoherence in front of a mic, but you wouldn't see Biden wanting go 'trade' Puerto Rico for Greenland. That's unfathomable levels of stupid.

Leroy42

biko wrote: »

So Biden's only strength is really just "is not Trump"?

Wasn't Trumps main 'policy' in 2016 that he wasn't HC?

Many Trump supporters claimed that they didn't like Trump but they couldn't vote for HC.

ELM327

ELM327 wrote: »

I find her policies equally as repugnant as her appearance. Not that the second matters of course. The important part is her politics. Which I find abhorrent.

You know her policies would fit in with most European parties? I'm also lost on how you could call her appearance repugnant tbh. What policies do you find repugnant?

Sonics2k

ELM327 wrote: »

I find her policies equally as repugnant as her appearance. Not that the second matters of course. The important part is her politics. Which I find abhorrent.

I'm curious, which policies do you have repugnant? Genuinely curious.

extra gravy

Easy to spot the misogynists in here anyway. Always Trump supporters too, fancy that. I wonder do they hate women in general or is it just American female politicians they reserve their bile for.

timsey tiger

extra gravy wrote: »

Easy to spot the misogynists in here anyway. Always Trump supporters too, fancy that. I wonder do they hate women in general or is it just American female politicians they reserve their bile for.

Be careful, they will be on claiming that they don't like Trump.

Cody montana

ELM327 wrote: »

I find her policies equally as repugnant as her appearance. Not that the second matters of course. The important part is her politics. Which I find abhorrent.

What policies exactly?

Overheal

drunkmonkey wrote: »

If AOC wasn't easy on the eye I don't think she'd have got as much traction as she has. She's a bit loopy though. Aka eat the babies,. certainly plays into the Qanon conspiracy theories.

When did she say eat the babies? She’s responsible for a town hall stunt aimed at her?

feargale

joseywhales wrote: »

It looks to be taking off alright, congratulations

Thanks for that. But don't you like it? Yes? No?

Golf Bunker Donald.

drunkmonkey

Supports Trump instead of Sleepy Joe = Women Hater.

The left just proves themselves crazier every day. Really wonder what planet some of ye are on i'm seeing Misandrists everywhere here.

Overheal

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Supports Trump instead of Sleepy Joe = Women Hater.

The left just proves themselves crazier every day. Really wonder what planet some of ye are on i'm seeing Misandrists everywhere here.

That’s not why you’re called a misogynist. You’re being a misogynist because you made a post stating that in your opinion the worth of a politician was predicated on them being a good looking woman.

duploelabs

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Supports Trump instead of Sleepy Joe = Women Hater.

The left just proves themselves crazier every day. Really wonder what planet some of ye are on i'm seeing Misandrists everywhere here.

Care to respond to any of the sh!te you've dumped here in the last two pages, or are you just going to curl out slogans and soundbites that serve nothing but to virtue signal

Quin_Dub

I was looking at some data today (I know, I know) that shows the difference between this election cycle and 2016 and the challenge that it presents for Trump to win re-election.

Trump cannot win the election if he loses Florida , so it really matters.

In 2016 , Trump won Florida by 1.2% - Polling had him at +0.2% on Election day.

Here's the view of the polling data for the whole cycle.



On this day in 2016 , Clinton had a 4% lead , sitting on 44.2% to Trumps 40.2% - So there was 15.6% of the voters still undecided or planning to go 3rd Party (they took a combined 3.2% in the final result in 2016)

Clinton didn't lose any support in Florida from there to Election day , she actually improved - She fluctuated for sure , but the polls had her at 46% on Election day and she got just short of 48% of the actual vote.

So , Trump did not take votes away from Clinton , he gobbled up the lions share of that remaining ~12% of Undecided voters that were around in August.


Now compare that to this Election



Biden has a 5 point lead today - Not far off the Clinton lead at the same time right?

Not quite - Biden sits on 50.3% and Trump is on 45.3% - That means that this time around there are only about 4.5% of voters still undecided.

The Libertarian/Greens et al are not going to do as well (relatively speaking) as Johnson & Stein did in 2016 , so let's give them something in the order of 1.5% of the vote.

That leaves roughly 3% of Undecided voters - Even if Trump was to hoover them up at a greater rate than he did in 2016 , it's still just not enough for him to win.

So , for Trump to win he HAS to convert people that today are planning to vote for Biden.

He could do that , but it's hard to see how he does it - especially with his current approach in the campaign.

Of course we still have the Debates and the possibility of a Ukrainian October Surprise that might change the layout , but right now the path for Trump does not look good.