Second Captains Part II

WindmillWarrior

I like murph, he can be funny at times, but he really doesn't know when to shut the f*ck up. He seems to love hearing himself speak, and he ALWAYS wants to speak, which is great for a podcaster! But maybe not when you're sharing the airwaves with 2 or more other people.

Brock Turnpike

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120332866#Comment_120332866

What a weird conclusion to reach.

Arghus

Caitlin was good.

That McCain story was pretty mad. I'd say she's got a ton more where that came from.

Hippo

The 10 years is quite an achievement and hats off the the team. I'm not sure what the point of the NYC visit was except a jolly for the lads, it didn't exactly make much difference to the pods. Caitlin is fantastic but it would have worked as well over Zoom or whatever. I guess I'm just not a fan of the live shows!

The Davestator

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120334129#Comment_120334129

Exactly! A little treat for themselves with some work thrown in.

MattressRick

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120333228#Comment_120333228

My thoughts as well. I really like Murph and he can be very funny but he needs to pull the handbrake at times and come in at the best times or when he has something properly good to input, like Ken who waits until he's asked for his opinion and then has something deadpan and often very funny to deliver.

Murph interrupting everybody because he's so excited to be in New York is annoying to say the least, especially when he's laughing at his own interruptions!

It was interesting to hear a bit about the background around their departure from newstalk, especially not being allowed back to clear their desks. Sounded like they didn't see that instruction coming.

They've earned a trip out of their hard work. Though I don't think I need to hear again how AMAZING New York is.

siblers

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120334129#Comment_120334129

I'm not a huge fan of listening to live shows for most podcasts as the hosts usually end up trying too hard to be entertaining or funny (like Murph yesterday) and the guests can try too hard at times but Second Captains live shows are generally quite good

choosetheend

Andrew Mangan of Arseblog, used to do a podcast called the 738am podcast. He had episodes interviewing Ken, Eoin, and Murph around 2015/2016.

They go into it a bit.

Jarlath Regan also interviewed Ken at least on his podcast but think there is a paywall to get his archive.

This is a response to someone asking above for more detail on their departure from Newstalk, thought I was quoting them but messed it up somehow.

Shank Williams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120304403#Comment_120304403

only thing I know about Paul flynn out from his Dublin career is that he loved wearing clothes that were way too tight for him when head of GPA.

think the side effects are noticeable in his GAA punditry

Shank Williams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120344969#Comment_120344969

Would love to go to one but they aren’t great as a listening experience imo

~Rebel~

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120334322#Comment_120334322

Which pod was it where they talked a little about their newstalk departure? I somehow missed that bit, but would love to go back to catch it again.

Ol' Donie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120347675#Comment_120347675

Ep 2580, the 15 minute one from 6/7 March. Just listened to it there, would honestly love to hear the 5 of them chatting away about it for way longer.

Great lads.

Say Your Number

Would love to have been at that lock-in the night they left Newstalk (Ok maybe leave before the drunken gibberish starts)

Going by the tone of those tweets Horgan put out about it I'd say he was like Henry Sellars at the end of the night.

~Rebel~

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120347713#Comment_120347713

Ah deadly, thanks a million! I totally bypassed that one somehow.

choosetheend

Somebody mentioned it a while ago, but I do find it a bit strange the way they haven't mentioned Richie Sadlier in a good while.

His last time in the show was August last year, I think.

He still has Second Captains mentioned in his Twitter profile.

deisedude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120347916#Comment_120347916

Well he had back surgery and became a parent in the past year so could just be doing a bit less media work temporarily

Raoul

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120347916#Comment_120347916

He was on Tommy Tiarnan last night.

ClashCityRocker

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120348394#Comment_120348394

Yep and it sounded like he has little interest in doing anything outside of family stuff at the moment. Maybe rather than the longer players chair eps, he'll be back as a contributor once the Ireland games start up again

~Rebel~

They did mention him in their list of 'thank yous' the other day alright at least.

cheese sandwich

I thought Ken spending ten minutes trying to justify Linekar’s reference to Nazi Germany just went to show that the analogy was ill judged in the first place.

~Rebel~

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120356497#Comment_120356497

He justified it pretty quickly - it wasn't a difficult statement to justify to be fair, as Ken made pretty clear - he just loves to dig into those historical comparisons and swim around in them for a while. Once he gets started on history in any context, he's always gonna natter away for a while (and it's why we love him!)

cheese sandwich

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120356596#Comment_120356596

It was pretty interesting and appropriately contrarian for Ken but the phrase ‘when you’re explaining you’re losing’ came to mind. The point most people were making wasn’t that the comparison was necessarily wrong, but that it was unhelpful and detracted from the point Lineker was trying to make, and gave the Tories an avenue to attack him. Nothing Ken said altered that in my view.

~Rebel~

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120356612#Comment_120356612

Whether the statement is helpful is a different question than whether the statement was accurate, which is what Ken was discussing. And yeah, it was pretty accurate ("bang to rights", as Ken said). And as Ken also pointed out, Lineker likely chose that example because that's what the Brits are obsessed with - that he could've chosen any number of other examples, but that the fetishisation of WW2 history in Britain means that people basically know fück all about any other branch of history. That was the one Lineker reached for, because it's the one they all always reach for.

Also, no-one loves diving into the details of a thought more than Ken - wouldn't at all apply the "if youre explaining youre losing" thing to him in that capacity. He could've made the point significantly more simply (cause again, it's not a difficult point to make), but that's not how Ken rolls. He was positively revelling in getting to talk about one of his favourite movies in the process too.

dog_pig

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120356640#Comment_120356640

Your argument is with something the other user hasn’t actually said

cheese sandwich

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120356640#Comment_120356640

Well he didn’t show it was accurate actually. He referred to a comment made by Braverman at another time to ‘cultural Marxism’ and used that to claim her language was akin to Nazi Germany.

Firstly, the right in the UK and US often refer to cultural Marxism so is Ken saying that all such references are automatically similar to Nazi Germany?

Secondly, it wasn’t at all clear to me that Braverman referred to cultural Marxism in the context of the immigration bill, and therefore Ken’s use of it seems irrelevant to Linekar’s tweet.

Thirdly, does anybody really believe Linekar was thinking about Braverman’s past reference to cultural Marxism and how that interacts with language used by the Nazis when he fired out that tweet? Of course he wasn’t, it was a pretty lazy response that obviously falls foul of Godwin’s Law.

Even Fintan O’Toole in today’s Irish Times criticised Linekar’s reference to 1930s Germany. I think it’s entirely possible (as I do) to agree with the general point he was making while also believing his analogy was cheap and unhelpful.

The Davestator

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120357679#Comment_120357679

I think you, Ken and others are reading too much into what he said.

Comparing how the British gov want to treat migrants is similar to how Germany began to treat Jews in the 30s.

Brock Turnpike

We're veering towards becoming the OTB thread, lads. FFS!

lawred2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120356497#Comment_120356497

Ten minutes?

sheroman01

Ken is gonna explode tomorrow. Ederson cleans out yet another player. Doesn't even get a yellow. And then Werner gets booked!

jones

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120360153#Comment_120360153

i was watching it last night and when it happened it was the first thing i thought of haha

Cartman78

I've listened to a considerable amount of coverage of the Linekar thing across a wide range of podcasts with contributors from multiple disciplines and backgrounds.....but Ken shyting on about it for 30 mins is by far the highlight for me 😂

Xavi6

The Columbus egg story is exactly the sort of nonsense I sign up for 😂

~Rebel~

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120371665#Comment_120371665

Ken's whole report on sport yesterday was top stuff!

atilladehun

Yeah, the three lads were all over the place. Fantastic.

jones

It's the X factor that makes second captains the best IMO

siblers

Suppose I'll go listen to some Marvin Gaye at work tomorrow

Raoul

Really interesting podcast.

Ol' Donie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120389726#Comment_120389726

That's exactly the kind of outside-the-normal-soccer-GAA-rugby thing people round here have been asking for. Excellent.

I'm onboard for Motown week.

bamayang

I enjoyed Murphs very Murph statement of “you couldn’t but understand the cultural relevance of the music at 14” 😂

Arghus

I'm calling bullshyte on Murph's appreciation of Marvin Gaye.

Razorlight, Hothouse Flowers, Kasabian... Marvin Gaye.

Raoul

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120390384#Comment_120390384

Absolute dong. Murph was far too busy playing GAA to realise that "What's going on" was about police brutality in the states.

The guy genuinely is an egomaniac.

The Davestator

FFS lads - You're now assuming what was played / not played in the Murphy house and how little time he had to listen to music. Pure petty nonsense from you all.

My older brother was an Iron Maiden fan and therefore, I became one as he was older and played what he wanted in our room.

NeftDaslari

https://youtu.be/RZ9WdCunvy8

I’ve listened to this 5 times since yesterday… FIVE

Hotblack Desiato

He's no Roseanne Barr though.

Cracked up at the "Mitro-glycerine" comment the other day even if Ken probably did 'borrow' it from the back page of the Sun or some other rag...

bamayang

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120390625#Comment_120390625

That’s not what I was saying, I’m sure he did listen to it, lots.

What I’m laughing at is “even at 14, it’s not woven deep in the tapestry… it’s blatantly obvious what the album is about”

Smell the glove

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120391138#Comment_120391138

To be fair anyone into their music knew that. I was (and still am) seriously into music growing up and knew it at that young of age. Anyone with an older brother who was into it would have passed down the knowledge and then that youngfella would pass it on to his mates when he played it for them. Pretty common.

choosetheend

What's so hard to believe about a 14-year-old understanding the meaning behind socially conscious music?

It was a good episode and came totally out of the blue. A pleasant surprise as I was just thinking there would be something about the Irish football.

Great to see them covering something out of the regular remit.

Ol' Donie

Am I going mad or have the football and hurling leagues totally fallen off the radar in recent weeks?

dr.kenneth noisewater

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120396264#Comment_120396264

No harm, media coverage in general has been minimal due to lack of interest and quality. The lack of jeopardy in the NHL in particular makes it pretty pointless to discuss in detail.

I'm a GAA fan btw but any games I've seen have been terrible so fat this year

dog_pig

I wonder have the lads made a decision to not cover news related to transgender athletes? They've conspicuously avoided reporting on a number of significant stories since the FINA ruling last year.