Second Captains Part II

deisedude

Bill Ponderosa wrote: »

His football analysis is based around narratives mainly, drama and the noise around football but very little about the football itself.

If you want a tactical analysis of why West Brom are playing 5 at the back then this isn't the podcast for you

I listen for the soap opera side of things

atilladehun

deisedude wrote: »

If you want a tactical analysis of why West Brom are playing 5 at the back then this isn't the podcast for you

I listen for the soap opera side of things

Agreed, there's a million podcasts for that. Paying for the entertainment value of the lads.

healy1835

Bill Ponderosa wrote: »

Agreed but when you're paying for it I want a bit more than this manager said this, this manager done that rinse and repeat.

Not for this scumbag anyway. Ken's football analysis transcends other offerings out there. I'd take it everytime over an insufferable bore like Gabriele Marcotti or, God save us, a rent-an-ex-pro to give us some colour by numbers take in the style of Ray Houghton or Gary Breen. How many Haddaway anecdotes have you heard from Damien Delaney recently?

dulpit

deisedude wrote: »

If you want a tactical analysis of why West Brom are playing 5 at the back then this isn't the podcast for you

I listen for the soap opera side of things

This post should be stickied somewhere. This is why a lot of people listen to SC. It's also why their rugby coverage is comparatively worse to their other sports, because they tend to go into boring analysis every time. Rugby is the sport I'd watch most, but it's the sport I listen to least on this pod.

siblers

Say Your Number wrote: »

They spent the first 20 minutes yesterday talking about Lampard and FA Cup games, nearly half the pod, their soccer coverage comfortably dwarfs everything else they do, I just find the whinging when they dare talk about anything else a bit baffling.

So not 10% but it was 13 minutes in and they then switched to rugby which is a bit ****

siblers

dulpit wrote: »

This post should be stickied somewhere. This is why a lot of people listen to SC. It's also why their rugby coverage is comparatively worse to their other sports, because they tend to go into boring analysis every time. Rugby is the sport I'd watch most, but it's the sport I listen to least on this pod.

They need to get someone for Rugby like Eoin or Parky who isn't afraid to shake a few feathers and take the piss

Shane Horgan is clearly an intelligent guy but it's just so analytical to be anyway remotely interesting.

Cienciano

dulpit wrote: »

This post should be stickied somewhere. This is why a lot of people listen to SC. It's also why their rugby coverage is comparatively worse to their other sports, because they tend to go into boring analysis every time. Rugby is the sport I'd watch most, but it's the sport I listen to least on this pod.

Think you hit the nail on the head there about why the rugby coverage is so bad. Another reason is because even though they talk about the technicalities of the game, Irish rugby is such a small tight knit community no one will really say anything too negative about a player. Even when it needs to be said. So it just turns into this bland half hour of boring shíte.
Add in the middle management piechart conference room style of Shane Horgan, the rugby coverage makes a safepass course seem exciting.

Say Your Number

I take the point that posters find Rugby chat boring because it's more tactics based, but they only spent around 27 minutes talking about it, whereas they spent 70 minutes talking about Lampard yesterday and probably another hour long Soccer pod tomorrow, while it has it's moments I find Ken banging the same drum about certain managers very repetitive, if they spent a lot more time talking about Rugby/GAA then I could understand the complaints here but it just doesn't make sense to me, do any of these specialist Soccer pods spend 2/3 hours a week talking about the Premier League like SC.

sheroman01

I love the show and I love Ken's mad ramblings, but I do think people's love for the show sometimes clouds over the absurdity of some pods. The full 1 hour and 9 minutes of the pod dedicated to Lampard is madness.

Christy Browne

sheroman01 wrote: »

I love the show and I love Ken's mad ramblings, but I do think people's love for the show sometimes clouds over the absurdity of some pods. The full 1 hour and 9 minutes of the pod dedicated to Lampard is madness.

If I had my way the entire podcast would be exclusively Ken ranting about Lampard every day.

den87

Honestly don’t know what I’d do without this (and one or two other pods) going and coming from work. The sound bed of Ken’s singing and the laugh it gave me this morning was well worth the €5.

I will say that there’s some weeks where I could struggle to listen to two or three of the pods but overall I wouldn’t give it up.

lawred2

den87 wrote: »

Honestly don’t know what I’d do without this (and one or two other pods) going and coming from work. The sound bed of Ken’s singing and the laugh it gave me this morning was well worth the €5.

I will say that there’s some weeks where I could struggle to listen to two or three of the pods but overall I wouldn’t give it up.

Which episode was the singing?

den87

lawred2 wrote: »

Which episode was the singing?

The sound bed was Tuesdays episode. The original masterpiece is from Wednesday or Thursdays last week.

Hotblack Desiato

jaykay74 wrote: »

The strategy seems to be not to have a football show on the Monday following FA cups weekends so far I think.

Or when Liverpool lose

Ol' Donie

Christy Browne wrote: »

If I had my way the entire podcast would be exclusively Ken ranting about Lampard every day.

I'm just looking forward to the wheels coming off for Jose again. Any day now.

Smell the glove

sheroman01 wrote: »

I love the show and I love Ken's mad ramblings, but I do think people's love for the show sometimes clouds over the absurdity of some pods. The full 1 hour and 9 minutes of the pod dedicated to Lampard is madness.

It was absolutely ridiculous carry on. I think the main reason Ken just bangs on about 3 or 4 managers or teams is because he doesn't have the knowledge anymore. It's a genuine pleasant shock when he talks about anyone outside the top 6 or 7.

On a sidenote wish people would stop the "not the pod for you" nonsense. I want league of Ireland chat....it's not the pod for you, I want better rugby chat...not the pod for you. I want more European talk.....etc etc Seems to be when anybody says they would like a change this is the generic response.

thenightman

Couldn't disagree more. That was my favourite football pod in ages and Ken (best thing about SC) was clearly in his element. Loved the Lampard beds and the expose of Fat Frankie as a sneering little tosser at the end as well. If you want boring analysis of the tactics of Brighton or Burnley there are plenty of other football pods out there that can provide it. Why waste your time listening to something you clearly don't enjoy?

Jim Root

Smell the glove wrote: »

It was absolutely ridiculous carry on. I think the main reason Ken just bangs on about 3 or 4 managers or teams is because he doesn't have the knowledge anymore. It's a genuine pleasant shock when he talks about anyone outside the top 6 or 7.

On a sidenote wish people would stop the "not the pod for you" nonsense. I want league of Ireland chat....it's not the pod for you, I want better rugby chat...not the pod for you. I want more European talk.....etc etc Seems to be when anybody says they would like a change this is the generic response.

I personally think part of the issue (before COVID at least) was Ken was no longer attending premiership matches in person. Back in his newstalk days he was over there every other week. Now he takes his views from media interviews and fellow journos

Utopia Parkway

I'll give Ken one thing. He has an amazing ability to recall goals. The amount of times when discussing some modern day goal, he'll go and liken it to some obscure goal from the Premier League in the 90's is ridiculous. I watch a lot of football and can barely remember goals from a month ago.

siblers

Ol' Donie wrote: »

I'm just looking forward to the wheels coming off for Jose again. Any day now.

Ole should be on his radar

Cienciano

Ken mentioned the Lampard being cheered as he was carried off injured as a west ham player as a kid. Ken talked about this on a few occasions over the years and actually debunked it. Someone was on who was in the stands and confirmed that he was being applauded as he was being carried off which is standard at games. But Frank had changed it to they cheered when he was injured. Wonder why Ken went back to the "wrong" version of what happened?

atilladehun

Cienciano wrote: »

Ken mentioned the Lampard being cheered as he was carried off injured as a west ham player as a kid. Ken talked about this on a few occasions over the years and actually debunked it. Someone was on who was in the stands and confirmed that he was being applauded as he was being carried off which is standard at games. But Frank had changed it to they cheered when he was injured. Wonder why Ken went back to the "wrong" version of what happened?

If it's what Lampard believed happened then the incorrect version is relevant, but yeah Ken should have mentioned the asterisks in the story.

DukeCaboom

US Murph "you even just named out some Dutch guy"

Say Your Number

That stuff about Hank Aaron was so interesting, hope they get a contributor to have a discussion about his life.

IsosKramer

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

I'll give Ken one thing. He has an amazing ability to recall goals. The amount of times when discussing some modern day goal, he'll go and liken it to some obscure goal from the Premier League in the 90's is ridiculous. I watch a lot of football and can barely remember goals from a month ago.

Yes, though for most people, football is a welcome distraction to be fitted in during free time. He's lucky that watching football is his "work". No wonder he can recall obscure goals.

The Davestator

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

I'll give Ken one thing. He has an amazing ability to recall goals. The amount of times when discussing some modern day goal, he'll go and liken it to some obscure goal from the Premier League in the 90's is ridiculous. I watch a lot of football and can barely remember goals from a month ago.

I often wonder if he has a good idea of what he wants to say and watches clips to remind himself of the goals.

If not, it's very impressive. Actually, it's impressive that he would even remember the goal in order to go and look at it again!

Obrieski

Jonathan Wilson settling scores like Fr. Ted collecting the golden cleric on today’s podcast made for brilliant listening. Hopefully that gets made into an audio bed
(2 audio bed suggestions in one week by me, maybe a new career if the lads ever come calling!)

Arghus

Obrieski wrote: »

Jonathan Wilson settling scores like Fr. Ted collecting the golden cleric on today’s podcast made for brilliant listening. Hopefully that gets made into an audio bed
(2 audio bed suggestions in one week by me, maybe a new career if the lads ever come calling!)

I knew there would be pay off to the wry smile I could hear in Ken's voice as he replied "yes" to the Chelsea guy bringing up Wilson's name a few days ago.

Lucas Hood

I thought the chelsea guy was awful the other day.

Funny to see Wilson come back at his points. So he must listen himself.

healy1835

Lucas Hood wrote: »

I thought the chelsea guy was awful the other day.

Funny to see Wilson come back at his points. So he must listen himself.

Yeah was listening to him with increasing dubiousness as the interview went on. Wasn't paying much attention when they introduced him, is he a journo or from a fanzine? Wilson's scorn was pretty funny.