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Has Dolores Cahill been debunked?

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    #152
    i_surge
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    Madisyn Spoiled Sewer wrote: »
    I can see the logic in the point about vitamin D, the reduction in oxygen levels I don’t agree with Other than I expect it would be uncomfortable to wear and the hydroxi I know nothing about. What you’ve done, which is the norm with your generation, is to make the assumption that because I didn’t cancel her outright that I was in agreement with everything she said and in a few more posts I’ll be a Trump supporter and then Hitler.

    What I can also say is that DC knows a lot more about this subject than me and everyone else in this thread. So if everything she said is so wrong, how can she have worked as a professor in UCD as legitimate academic scientist in school of medicine for so long and with so much experience but now all of a sudden she’s considered a crazy person and needs to be cancelled?

    Still falling for the framing basis.


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    #153
    80j2lc5y7u6qs9
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    circadian wrote: »
    Would Computing Forever be willing to host a peer who will debunk or even debate her claims? Since it was his interview that got pulled that seems to have kicked this off.
    i wouldn't pay much attention to Computing Forever


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    #154
    v638sg7k1a92bx
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    RandomName2 wrote: »

    Looks like a very scientific test in a controlled environment. As other posters have said “peer reviewed” please - one of the most over used terms in the internet mostly used by people who are scientists.


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    #155
    is_that_so
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    Madisyn Spoiled Sewer wrote: »
    Looks like a very scientific test in a controlled environment. As other posters have said “peer reviewed” please - one of the most over used terms in the internet mostly used by people who are scientists.
    Peer review really just means confirming the methodology is up to scratch, it doesn't validate the findings. Replication does that and that's a whole other can of worms!


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    #156
    Wibbs
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    Madisyn Spoiled Sewer wrote: »
    Looks like a very scientific test in a controlled environment. As other posters have said “peer reviewed” please - one of the most over used terms in the internet mostly used by people who are scientists.
    *heads desk* OK let's break this down to really bloody basic terms. Filters, that is in this case masks, from a scarf across your face all the way up to respirators, filter particles and in some cases chemicals from the air. They don't nor can't filter oxygen in the air. To reduce oxygen getting to the wearer they would have to contain an oxygen aborbing chemical layer and they don't. Well because that would be bloody stupid as we need oxygen to live.

    In short: It is physically, chemically and biologically impossible for masks to reduce oxygen in the filtered air. And if anyone claims otherwise they're a bloody fool, or bloody gullible.

    In the case of really extreme filtration the oxygen is still not removed from the inhaled air, but because of the same extreme filtration it requires more from an individual's lungs to breathe through them. This does not apply to surgical masks. Hell I have a couple of P3 level respirators with both mechanical and chemical filtration and they're not particularly difficult at all to breathe in and I'm a smoker.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #157
    Arghus
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    I'm actually beginning to get a perverse satisfaction out of reading this at this stage.

    Oh, Tickers! However will you deny the obvious next!


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    #158
    Water John
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    Madisyn Spoiled Sewer wrote: »
    Looks like a very scientific test in a controlled environment. As other posters have said “peer reviewed” please - one of the most over used terms in the internet mostly used by people who are scientists.

    But she's a Professor, who in the hell would ask a GP any medical question?


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    #159
    Onesea
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    Arghus wrote: »
    I'm actually beginning to get a perverse satisfaction out of reading this at this stage.

    Oh, Tickers! However will you deny the obvious next!

    Having the time of your life...


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    #160
    v638sg7k1a92bx
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    So despite all the self proclaimed scientists on the thread who know more than D.C. because their families work in healthcare and they “read stuff”... no debunking


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    #161
    ronivek
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    Madisyn Spoiled Sewer wrote: »
    So despite all the self proclaimed scientists on the thread who know more than D.C. because their families work in healthcare and they “read stuff”... no debunking

    How about a 'real Scientist', Flora Teoh:
    Flora obtained a PhD in Biological Sciences from Nanyang Technological University in Singapore. During her doctoral studies, she examined how a human-colonising microbe could evolve in response to changes within a mammalian host, and how this process could influence microbial virulence.

    She 'debunked' the entire Computing Forever Interview between Cahill and Cullen.

    I fully expect you not to read the linked article and continue claiming she wasn't debunked; but worth a shot anyway.


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    #162
    v638sg7k1a92bx
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    ronivek wrote: »
    How about a 'real Scientist', Flora Teoh:


    She 'debunked' the entire Computing Forever Interview between Cahill and Cullen.

    I fully expect you not to read the linked article and continue claiming she wasn't debunked; but worth a shot anyway.

    Is it peer reviewed?


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    #163
    ronivek
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    Madisyn Spoiled Sewer wrote: »
    Is it peer reviewed?

    She has not published any papers on the topic; and thus there is nothing to peer review. I'm pretty sure this has been explained to you already. Moreover the article simply points to actual peer reviewed papers which in many cases directly contradict Dolores Cahill's claims; you don't even need to be a scientist to see that.

    However it's pretty clear you're not posting here in good faith; so I won't bother replying further.


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    #164
    LuckyLloyd
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    ronivek wrote: »
    How about a 'real Scientist', Flora Teoh:


    She 'debunked' the entire Computing Forever Interview between Cahill and Cullen.

    I fully expect you not to read the linked article and continue claiming she wasn't debunked; but worth a shot anyway.

    Can this link be added to the OP please by a mod?


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    #165
    fritzelly
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    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    Can this link be added to the OP please by a mod?

    It's already there


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    #166
    ronivek
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    fritzelly wrote: »
    It's already there

    Yikes; I didn’t even notice that.

    Makes the original post look even more ridiculous.


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    #167
    Wibbs
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    Madisyn Spoiled Sewer wrote: »
    So despite all the self proclaimed scientists on the thread who know more than D.C. because their families work in healthcare and they “read stuff”... no debunking
    You're either on a wind up, or can't read, or haven't clicked the numerous links posted, or a true believer for some reason, because Cahills oft downright insane claims have been debunked repeatedly on this thread and elsewhere.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #168
    mariaalice
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    Does anyone else find it even more depressing when someone trained in the scientific method joins the loons?

    At some level they must know what they are spouting is nonsense.


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    #169
    pjohnson
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    mariaalice wrote: »
    Does anyone else find it even more depressing when someone trained in the scientific method joins the loons?

    At some level they must know what they are spouting is nonsense.

    Probably more money to be made appealing to the crackpots who didnt understand any type of science to begin with.


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    #170
    v638sg7k1a92bx
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    pjohnson wrote: »
    Probably more money to be made appealing to the crackpots who didnt understand any type of science to begin with.

    She’s already on €120k a year.

    She’s involved in a tiny fringe political party there is no political or financial advantage in that. The reputation and financial risk of putting out false scientific claims is much greater than any political or financial gain.


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    #171
    banie01
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    Madisyn Spoiled Sewer wrote: »
    Is it peer reviewed?

    Is Dolores Cahill's rambling interview?
    Very early on in this thread it was explained to you why DC hadn't been debunked, i.e she had neither published or presented evidence for her stance.

    You are now taking the stance of a petulant child and arguing "but"...

    Again, I'll ask the very pertinent question that you have repeatedly ignored!
    Have you found any scientific evidence in support of DC?
    Rather than expecting to be spoon fed reasons she is wrong, have you done any research to show why she is right?


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    #172
    runawaybishop
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    Madisyn Spoiled Sewer wrote: »
    Is it peer reviewed?

    Absolutely!


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    #173
    mc25
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    Madisyn Spoiled Sewer wrote: »
    Still not debunking

    Never said it was!


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    #174
    v638sg7k1a92bx
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    banie01 wrote: »
    Is Dolores Cahill's rambling interview?
    Very early on in this thread it was explained to you why DC hadn't been debunked, i.e she had neither published or presented evidence for her stance.

    You are now taking the stance of a petulant child and arguing "but"...

    Again, I'll ask the very pertinent question that you have repeatedly ignored!
    Have you found any scientific evidence in support of DC?
    Rather than expecting to be spoon fed reasons she is wrong, have you done any research to show why she is right?

    What makes you think I'm here to answer your questions? DC is entitled as a professional who is more qualified than you to make those assertions. You haven't been able to debunk anything and keep asking me to prove a negative. I'm sorry but science doesn't work that way.


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    #175
    Carfacemandog
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    Madisyn Spoiled Sewer wrote: »
    What I'm trying to understand is that we have a UCD professor who has made some claims that appear to go against the received message and mus now be cancelled.
    "The sky is made of bananas"

    Incorrect statement, or just going against the received message?


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    #176
    banie01
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    Madisyn Spoiled Sewer wrote: »
    What makes you think I'm here to answer your questions? DC is entitled as a professional who is more qualified than you to make those assertions. You haven't been able to debunk anything and keep asking me to prove a negative. I'm sorry but science doesn't work that way.

    I also keep asking you what negative you have been asked to disprove?
    Noone has asked you to do that, if indeed you think I have?
    Quote where please?

    Quite ironic that you aren't here to answer questions, yet assume that the internet owes you answers that quite rudimentary research would provide you?
    With the added benefit of not making you appear as if you suffer from comprehension issues!


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    #177
    runawaybishop
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    Madisyn Spoiled Sewer wrote: »
    What makes you think I'm here to answer your questions? DC is entitled as a professional who is more qualified than you to make those assertions. You haven't been able to debunk anything and keep asking me to prove a negative. I'm sorry but science doesn't work that way.

    You are clearly here on a wind up, but it's ok, we don't have much else to do.

    What makes you believe Dolores, is it just that she is antiestablishment, that she has a PhD or are you just a contrarian?


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    #178
    RandomViewer
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    Carfacemandog wrote: »
    "The sky is made of bananas"

    Incorrect statement, or just going against the received message?

    Are clouds the Green bananas?


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    #179
    RandomViewer
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    banie01 wrote: »
    I also keep asking you what negative you have been asked to disprove?
    Noone has asked you to do that, if indeed you think I have?
    Quote where please?

    Quite ironic that you aren't here to answer questions, yet assume that the internet owes you answers that quite rudimentary research would provide you?
    With the added benefit of not making you appear as if you suffer from comprehension issues!

    I think he has a thing for frumpy old women ,


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    #180
    runawaybishop
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    axer wrote: »
    I think you need to define what your understanding of debunking is...

    It's a statement made from a position of total authority, like when you were a kid and as the eldest could take the top bunk for yourself thereby debunking your brother.


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    #181
    southstar
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    Wibbs wrote: »
    *heads desk* OK let's break this down to really bloody basic terms. Filters, that is in this case masks, from a scarf across your face all the way up to respirators, filter particles and in some cases chemicals from the air. They don't nor can't filter oxygen in the air. To reduce oxygen getting to the wearer they would have to contain an oxygen aborbing chemical layer and they don't. Well because that would be bloody stupid as we need oxygen to live.

    In short: It is physically, chemically and biologically impossible for masks to reduce oxygen in the filtered air. And if anyone claims otherwise they're a bloody fool, or bloody gullible.

    In the case of really extreme filtration the oxygen is still not removed from the inhaled air, but because of the same extreme filtration it requires more from an individual's lungs to breathe through them. This does not apply to surgical masks. Hell I have a couple of P3 level respirators with both mechanical and chemical filtration and they're not particularly difficult at all to breathe in and I'm a smoker.



    Just buy him the bloody ice cream ffs


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