2020 World Snooker Championship

petes

SnowyMay wrote: »

Maybe they get rid of them when Ronnie is playing so. :pac:

Reckon it would just be a scribble for a few of those frames! :pac:

Ficheall

AllForIt wrote: »

6 minutes! :eek:

On the one hand I ask myself if this is just Selby's style but on the other hand, he has benefited by slowing his opponents down. Ronnie being one of them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfVEkGhYkNc

gormdubhgorm

spurshero wrote: »

I think though towards the end of the match Ronnie has decided he was playing the snooker he wanted and if he lost so be it . But he wasn’t going to lose playing 2 hour safety slogs that selby wanted to play. Like selby wants to keep it tight and fancies himself in long drawn out frames . He will refuse pots that 95 percent of players will go for till he gets a gilt edged chance . On the other hand o Sullivan wants open one chance frames . I’m not a big Ronnie fan as I hate his snooker owes me personality but I’m certainly glad to see no more selby .

I like watching Selby when he is playing a fella with polar opposite style to him. When he plays a fella similar to him that is when it can really become a chore. It is like both players digging trenches, or a long siege.

The Nal

Imagine being the guy who leaves another player sat in his seat for over 6 minutes while and accusing others of disrespect.

henke

The hawk eye was a great addition too for the viewer. There was a few shots this year where the commentator mentions he's not sure he can get to the potting angle, can he see the red etc. They aren't sure. Hawk eye used to give us a good indication straight away. Hopefully we see the technology back soon.

Augme

I think Wilson +4.5 is a great bet. He's been generally excellent this tournament and the only time he has struggle is against McGill when the finishing line was in sight. I'd expect the same to happen against ronnie hence the reason I'd be reluctant to back him outright but on the handicap it seems good. I can't seem him getting blown away.

gormdubhgorm

Ficheall wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfVEkGhYkNc

In fairness those are rare, Selby's average shot time has him no81 on tour.

http://livescores.worldsnookerdata.com/TourPlayers/Index/14139

Selby. 24.32 seconds AST
Interestingly Wilson 24.26 AST.
McGill 24.65 AST.
Higgins 23.06 AST, But Higgins never gets mentioned for being a slow player. 'More methodical' is the phrase used.

O'Sullivan 16.89 AST

Fergal O'Brien has to get a mention:
27.04 AST

Joe_ Public

That incident was entirely unacceptable and dereliction of duty on part of the referee not intervening. Selby explained afterwards that he had a total brain fade and I'd probably accept that, i dont see any intentional gamesmanship in it and it wouldn't make sense anyway. But it wasnt on for it to happen like that and they need to address it properly some stage.

DelBoy Trotter

Mervyn Skidmore wrote: »

One of them put up a line yesterday when someone was going into the pack. I miss the lines for snookers. I wonder what the thinking was in getting rid of them?

I think I remember them saying that the lines they drew on the screen could be seen on the monitors in the arena so they had to stop doing it as if the player was stuck and he looked up at the monitors, it gave him a suggested shot!

Inviere

The Nal wrote: »

Imagine being the guy who leaves another player sat in his seat for over 6 minutes while and accusing others of disrespect.

That six minute thing was an absolute disgrace by Selby, he has some nerve of criticizing "mind games" with the way he plays the game. Very evident even last night what he was doing....sucked all the flow out of the game at every turn. He's an incredible player when he wants to be, but his approach to frame pacing leaves a sour taste in my mouth & it's hard to support his as a result.

I still think Ronnie's approach to the match last night left a LOT to be desired too. In comparison to Selby, Ronnie was an absolute joy to watch. The shot selection though, jesus christ. Talk about gift wrapping the match, he was only short of sealing it with a kiss. He could very easily have lost the match as a result, and would likely have given Smug Selby a world title as a result. The only proper way to beat Selby, is to BE Selby...heavy scoring, no risks, granite safety....anything else more often than not comes up short. Sure, not a fun way to play...but you're either there to play the game or you're not.

Chalk McHugh

What's peoples predictions for the final? See if anyone can get the correct score. I'm going 18-15 Ronnie.

Pighead

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

What's peoples predictions for the final? See if anyone can get the correct score. I'm going 18-15 Ronnie.

18-12 Ronnie. Kyren has a tendency to throw in a stinker of a session and this I feel could be his undoing.

petes

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

What's peoples predictions for the final? See if anyone can get the correct score. I'm going 18-15 Ronnie.

Remember a good few years back I stuck a tenner on a bet for correct score in a final, only got 16/1, was pissed when I put it on and never checked the odds :pac:

18-14 Ronnie

Chalk McHugh

Player to get the highest break in the final

Ronnie 4/9
Wilson 13/8

DelBoy Trotter

Ronnie to win 18-13

Chalk McHugh

Centuries in match

Over 6.5 centuries 11/10
Under 6.5 centuries 4/6

Chalk McHugh

A break over 50 in first frame

Yes 3/10
No 12/5

A Maximum in match
Yes 13/2

Dodge

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

A Maximum in match
Yes 13/2

You’ll be doing well to find a worse value bet than this. Ha

ThewhiteJesus

Ronnie 18-17 on the final black

Chalk McHugh

Dodge wrote: »

You’ll be doing well to find a worse value bet than this. Ha

Awful odds. If you gave me 20/1 maybe.

Chalk McHugh

Odds on a few posters still whinging about Ronnie being disrespectful to Mark Selby by the end of the day

Yes 1/100
No 100/1

gormdubhgorm

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

What's peoples predictions for the final? See if anyone can get the correct score. I'm going 18-15 Ronnie.

Ronnie comfortably 18-10 - anti-climatic final.

gormdubhgorm

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

Odds on a few posters still whinging about Ronnie being disrespectful to Mark Selby by the end of the day

Yes 1/100
No 100/1

Where do I put the money on yes?

ThewhiteJesus

I’d expect Wilson to win the first session by a few frames, Ronnie is 44 and must be tired mentally and physically compared to a man in his prime, but after that I expect Ronnie to come alive

weemcd

As much as I like Wilson and he seems like a good lad...


COME ONN RONNIE!

gormdubhgorm

Hope Wilson does not get walloped and does himself justice. Could see Wilson getting overwhelmed by the whole occasion.

Pighead

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Hope Wilson does not get walloped and does himself justice. Could see Wilson getting overwhelmed by the whole occasion.

Doubt he'll get walloped. He's already played Ronnie in a big final and acquitted himself very well. He was actually very unlucky not to win the Champions of Champions final against Ronnie in 2018.

Check out below video from about 5:24 until the end. Kyren leaves the red hanging over pocket when he was just a couple of balls from victory. Ronnie gets in and fails to get last red of the cushion. Throws in his standard kamikaze shot with a ridiculous back double attempt and is absolutely blessed to snooker Wilson behind the pink. Ronnie gets back in and goes on to level at 9-9.

In the decider Kyren gets in first again and is so unlucky to see a red go in after potting the black and going into the pack. He didn't do a whole lot wrong in that final. Came back brilliantly from 5-2 down and 8-4 I think. Nothing wrong with his temperament anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiByRGAHWGU

Joe_ Public

The last final they played, champion of champions, Kyren should have beaten him. Bottled it a little but also had a bad break at a key moment when the jamstick was in sight. This is another big step up again, of course, but i dont think he'll feel that overawed. Needs to settle early and he'll be ok, can see ronnie trying to charge out of the blocks, bolt like, to try and intimidate.

Brian?

Ficheall wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfVEkGhYkNc

Jesus! The ref should have definitely stepped in there

Chalk McHugh

So not much hope so far on here for Wilson's chances. The 15 frames i gave him is the highest of any poster so far. Is there an air of complacency about this final when Wilson has won their most recent match and only lost 10-9 in a Champion of Champions final?

Chalk McHugh

Ken saying he thought Ronnie was 'gone' and given up at one stage. You're not the only one Ken.

sligeach

I don’t give Wilson any chance. I think he's just happy to be there. The crowd will be on Ronnie's side and I think everything will get to him.

I really don't want O'Sullivan to win. Apart from the last 3 frames last night, he's been awful, and he had some luck there too. The standard of snooker is terrible, it's no wonder Ronnie and some of the older players keep playing on. It's disgusting how the BBC make it all about Ronnie. He'll likely get a 6th title playing average snooker.

Ronnie should have lost yesterday morning's session 6-2, but got out even. I was being generous, I think it was McManus who said had he lost 8-0, he would have no right to complain. I think his antics last night towards the end got to Selby, he didn't know what to do, twist or stick and let Ronnie go bust.

DelBoy Trotter

Here we go

zuutroy

Great to have a crowd in.

ThewhiteJesus

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

Ken saying he thought Ronnie was 'gone' and given up at one stage. You're not the only one Ken.

I was genuinely worried about him, I’m roughly his age so have followed his full career and have never seen him go that far, but then he was sublime straight after, typical Ronnie

zuutroy

Ugh. Taylor Johnson dilemma.

Chalk McHugh

The dreaded choice of Dennis Taylor v Joe Johnson strikes again. I'll stick with Steve Davis and Dennis on BBC.

sligeach

Their family would have been allowed attend the final, even if the crowd wasn't, Dennis.

sligeach

First bad miss from Wilson. The first of many I'm afraid.

Chalk McHugh

The beautiful sound of 'real' applause is music to my ears.

DelBoy Trotter

sligeach wrote: »

Their family would have been allowed attend the final, even if the crowd wasn't, Dennis.

It was only one person allowed in was it not?

Arthur Daley

henke wrote: »

Yeah disappointing. It seems at times BBC aren't half as arsed with their coverage any more. Why would they get rid of this tech seems like cost cutting.

Good point about hawkeye. It wasn't even that recent an innovation, I remember seeing it back in the late 00s.

There have been big cut backs across the bbc. The dedicated BBC snooker twitter account wasn't manned this year either. The one they advertised above the player's seats. Just the general BBC sport one updates on events. Little signs of cutbacks so Eurosport may become more important and influencial.

sligeach

Not a good start from Wilson. Bad attempted pot, poor safety.

Mervyn Skidmore

If Wilson win will it be slightly devalued seeing as he had a bye in the first round?

Chalk McHugh

That's some statement from Hendry saying that if Wilson is not leading by four frames at the end of today he has no chance.

sligeach

Mervyn Skidmore wrote: »

If Wilson win will it be slightly devalued seeing as he had a bye in the first round?

Whoever wins, it's devalued in my opinion.

gormdubhgorm

Mervyn Skidmore wrote: »

If Wilson win will it be slightly devalued seeing as he had a bye in the first round?

Thought about that. But few will remember it after that SF v McGill.

mdwexford

Wilson needs to get a foothold early or Ronnie could be riding off into the sunset and gone.

sligeach

I could be turning this off early. Awful attempted pot by Wilson. Luck of Ronnie's side already with having that pink.

gormdubhgorm

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

That's some statement from Hendry saying that if Wilson is not leading by four frames at the end of today he has no chance.

I would agree with him. Needs that buffer. Ronnie rarely goes on runs more than four frames in a row.