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    #602
    combat14
    Registered Users Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭combat14


    Bobtheman wrote: »
    So bottom line what protections are teachers getting,? Adults

    havent heard any specifics yet


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    #603
    mirrorwall14
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,751 ✭✭✭mirrorwall14


    combat14 wrote: »
    havent heard any specifics yet

    Max of 24 students in the room with me and a visor


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    #604
    mtoutlemonde
    Registered Users Posts: 2,134 ✭✭✭mtoutlemonde


    mirrorwall14 wrote: »
    Max of 24 students in the room with me and a visor

    And an SNA or two.


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    #605
    mirrorwall14
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,751 ✭✭✭mirrorwall14


    mtoutlemonde wrote: »
    And an SNA or two.

    Almost never in Music. Although we were team teaching in maths last year, not sure how that works this year....


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    #606
    Moody_mona
    Registered Users Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭Moody_mona


    mirrorwall14 wrote: »
    Almost never in Music. Although we were team teaching in maths last year, not sure how that works this year....

    Yea we have no team teaching this year, big loss.


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    #607
    mtoutlemonde
    Registered Users Posts: 2,134 ✭✭✭mtoutlemonde


    mirrorwall14 wrote: »
    Almost never in Music. Although we were team teaching in maths last year, not sure how that works this year....

    Why would that be? There are two SNAs in our first year class. Are SEN/AEN students not allowed to study music?


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    #608
    mirrorwall14
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,751 ✭✭✭mirrorwall14


    mtoutlemonde wrote: »
    Why would that be? There are two SNAs in our first year class. Are SEN/AEN students not allowed to study music?

    They are rarely deemed necessary in my room. Although that’s really just the way it’s fallen in terms of subjects chosen etc

    Had one of the inspector ladies in with me two years ago and she said SNA not needed for example


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    #609
    Paulbeth
    Registered Users Posts: 62 ✭✭Paulbeth


    “... anyone who was fragile, at risk, immuno-compromised and was at risk of dying has already died.”

    No, thankfully, they haven’t.


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    #610
    Leftwaffe
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    mirrorwall14 wrote: »
    Max of 24 students in the room with me and a visor

    This isn't happening, not in our place and in many others I'd bet. We have a couple of first year groups with 30+ in them. And overflow ain't happening.


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    #611
    Leftwaffe
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    Could anyone direct me to an up to date version of the guidelines?


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    #612
    km79
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    http://twitter.com/Philip_Ryan/status/1295481752786472960


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    #613
    byhookorbycrook
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 12,498 Mod ✭✭✭✭byhookorbycrook


    Redordeadqwwer wrote: »
    Could anyone direct me to an up to date version of the guidelines?

    Considering Minister Foley seems to have disappeared, good luck on up-to-date anything.

    Can I repeat that visors alone are not remotely safe , you need a mask and a visor in class .


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    #614
    khalessi
    Registered Users Posts: 6,215 ✭✭✭khalessi


    km79 wrote: »
    http://twitter.com/Philip_Ryan/status/1295481752786472960

    Restrictions that will not include delaying the opeing of schools


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    #615
    Treppen
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    khalessi wrote: »
    Restrictions that will not include delaying the opeing of schools

    Suppose we'll find out Friday afternoon


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    #616
    scrubs33
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    khalessi wrote: »
    Restrictions that will not include delaying the opeing of schools

    I agree 100%. Too much political stock will be lost if there’s even a hint of changing the plan to open in 10 days time (in our case at least) To butcher an old phrase ‘Open and be damned!!” Buckle in everyone...


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    #617
    pandoraj09
    Registered Users Posts: 346 ✭✭pandoraj09


    We've been told we're going to be using Gsuite instead of students handing up copies. Anyone any experience of this platform?


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    #618
    maynooth_rules
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    mirrorwall14 wrote: »
    Max of 24 students in the room with me and a visor

    Visor is pretty much not worth a ****e, and particularly if students are not wearing masks. Teachers really need to step up here. We should not be setting foot in a class where students are not wearing masks, nor should visors be pushed as a solution for teachers when they clearly are not


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    #619
    maynooth_rules
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    km79 wrote: »
    http://twitter.com/Philip_Ryan/status/1295481752786472960

    The rumour is the old to be encouraged to spend less time outdoors, and a max of 6 people visiting your house. But it will be fine to open schools with hundreds of people inside!!!


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    #620
    Pursefan
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    maynooth_rules wrote: »
    Visor is pretty much not worth a ****e, and particularly if students are not wearing masks. Teachers really need to step up here. We should not be setting foot in a class where students are not wearing masks, nor should visors be pushed as a solution for teachers when they clearly are not
    Our leader is declaring that our pupils will have to wear masks if on the corridors, but not in classrooms!! How do we deal with thus madness??


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    #621
    combat14
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    Pursefan wrote: »
    Our leader is declaring that our pupils will have to wear masks if on the corridors, but not in classrooms!! How do we deal with thus madness??


    hearing same thing here .. sounds like 2m distancing in classroom so up to teacher if they want to wear a mask or visor sounds like it is optional for students too ..

    recommended to wear to masks/ visors only in corridors ..


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    #622
    maynooth_rules
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    combat14 wrote: »
    hearing same thing here .. sounds like 2m distancing in classroom so up to teacher if they want to wear a mask or visor sounds like it is optional for students too ..

    recommended to wear to masks/ visors only in corridors ..

    Really doesn't sit comfortable with me at all. It doesn't matter if we wear masks, if we have 24 adolescents in front of us with no masks then we are very much at risk. What is the difficulty with saying to secondary students that you must wear masks to protect all? What's the issue with it?


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    #623
    combat14
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    maynooth_rules wrote: »
    Really doesn't sit comfortable with me at all. It doesn't matter if we wear masks, if we have 24 adolescents in front of us with no masks then we are very much at risk. What is the difficulty with saying to secondary students that you must wear masks to protect all? What's the issue with it?

    I actually thought it was going to be compulsory.. now sounds like it is only in corridors .. but they are in class in close proximity all day long


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    #624
    r93kaey5p2izun
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    combat14 wrote: »
    I actually thought it was going to be compulsory.. now sounds like it is only in corridors .. but they are in class in close proximity all day long

    "Students at post primary level, apart from specific exemptions will be required to wear face coverings in the classroom."

    https://www.education.ie/en/Press-Events/Press-Releases/2020-press-releases/PR20-08-07.html

    They must be worn in classrooms. Are schools ignoring the guidelines? There's no "where possible" get out clause for this one.


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    #625
    alroley
    Registered Users Posts: 1,232 ✭✭✭alroley


    Off topic but just saw Ciara Kelly retweeting she feels sorry for leaving cert students for not experiencing the post exam buzz.


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    #626
    Alex86Eire
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    pandoraj09 wrote: »
    We've been told we're going to be using Gsuite instead of students handing up copies. Anyone any experience of this platform?

    Yes we used Google Classroom this year during lock down. Its very user friendly.
    Its not ideal for correcting homework though if students are uploading homework as photos. You can only add comment boxes on the homework rather than annotate over the students work. If you have a tablet and pen its obviously a lot easier.


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    #627
    r93kaey5p2izun
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    alroley wrote: »
    Off topic but just saw Ciara Kelly retweeting she feels sorry for leaving cert students for not experiencing the post exam buzz.

    The woman is a professional troll.


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    #628
    Pursefan
    Registered Users Posts: 48 ✭Pursefan


    Ophelia Modern Firehouse wrote: »
    "Students at post primary level, apart from specific exemptions will be required to wear face coverings in the classroom."

    https://www.education.ie/en/Press-Events/Press-Releases/2020-press-releases/PR20-08-07.html

    They must be worn in classrooms. Are schools ignoring the guidelines? There's no "where possible" get out clause for this one.[/quote
    This is absolutely the point! Students ARE REQUIRED to wear masks in class!! What are principals thinking?? Are we that disposable??


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    #629
    combat14
    Registered Users Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭combat14


    Pursefan wrote: »
    Ophelia Modern Firehouse wrote: »
    "Students at post primary level, apart from specific exemptions will be required to wear face coverings in the classroom."

    https://www.education.ie/en/Press-Events/Press-Releases/2020-press-releases/PR20-08-07.html

    They must be worn in classrooms. Are schools ignoring the guidelines? There's no "where possible" get out clause for this one.[/quote
    This is absolutely the point! Students ARE REQUIRED to wear masks in class!! What are principals thinking?? Are we that disposable??

    is it not ok to have 15 - 25+ people (all from different households) In a small room all hopefully 2m apart with no masks or visors for a few hours or all day as long as they then wear masks or visors in the corridor for the 15 minute break ?

    well that seems to be what principals are proposing? .. maybe they are correct?

    we need to know schools are back in less than 2 weeks


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    #630
    maynooth_rules
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    combat14 wrote: »
    Pursefan wrote: »

    is it not ok to have 15 - 25+ people (all from different households) In a small room all hopefully 2m apart with no masks or visors for a few hours or all day as long as they then wear masks or visors in the corridor for the 15 minute break ?

    well that seems to be what principals are proposing? .. maybe they are correct?

    we need to know schools are back in less than 2 weeks
    our 166 tds are happy to sit in a 2000 seater convention centre safe and sound are we not entitled to expect the same for our children

    Principals who are not enforcing masks should never be forgiven. This is too important an issue for us to let this go. Our unions not pushing this should be utterly ashamed. I hope many will consider the value of having your membership after this. It appears they are not serving out wishes at a time when we have never needed them more


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    #631
    Bananaleaf
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    maynooth_rules wrote: »
    Principals who are not enforcing masks should never be forgiven. This is too important an issue for us to let this go. Our unions not pushing this should be utterly ashamed. I hope many will consider the value of having your membership after this. It appears they are not serving out wishes at a time when we have never needed them more

    But, if it is a strong recommendation from government, opposed to a mandate, realistically what can a principal do if there is a child who refuses?

    I'm genuinely asking. My principal has said that he has already had emails from parents telling him that under no circumstances will their child be wearing a mask or a visor. He doesn't seem to be of the belief that he has the right to refuse them entry to the school because it is not a mandate from the govt.


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