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Live Exports Being Shipped from Cork to Libya 29/07/2020

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  • #52
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,671 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    LawBoy2018 wrote: »
    Of course the Libyans do, but it would be naive to think that supply chains/employment in Libya are a concern of our Government. It's Irish farmers who are exporting Irish livestock from Irish docks, obviously that is something that does concern the Irish Government.

    You need to let the Libyans know that you know exactly what they do and do not need.

    You have all the answers.


  • #53
    Irishman80
    Closed Accounts Posts: 236 ✭✭Irishman80


    LawBoy, I think we are probably looking at the issue from the same standpoint of worry from a animal cruelty perspective. I was just giving my experience on the slaughtering of animals process. It's not an easy thing to witness. I haven't been in a slaughterhouse for 12 years but still remember it vividly.

    On the Live Cattle trade, there was huge debate on this issue 15-20 years ago too. I remember management of factories actually telling security to be extra vigilant of animal right activists trying to gain access to the factories. If people were shocked, and they were, about the Live Cattle images, the uproar about the Slaughterhouses would have been another level.

    I remember watching the reporting on TV and thinking to myself - "My God, if they think that's bad, wait until they get access to slaughterhouse"


  • #54
    LawBoy2018
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭LawBoy2018


    Danzy wrote: »
    You need to let the Libyans know that you know exactly what they do and do not need.

    You have all the answers.

    On it!!!


  • #55
    LawBoy2018
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭LawBoy2018


    Irishman80 wrote: »
    LawBoy, I think we are probably looking at the issue from the same standpoint of worry from a animal cruelty perspective. I was just giving my experience on the slaughtering of animals process. It's not an easy thing to witness. I haven't been in a slaughterhouse for 12 years but still remember it vividly.

    On the Live Cattle trade, there was huge debate on this issue 15-20 years ago too. I remember management of factories actually telling security to be extra vigilant of animal right activists trying to gain access to the factories. If people were shocked, and they were, about the Live Cattle images, the uproar about the Slaughterhouses would have been another level.

    I remember watching the reporting on TV and thinking to myself - "My God, if they think that's bad, wait until they get access to slaughterhouse"

    Absolutely. The Greens had originally hoped to ban live exports but FG weren't having it when it came to negotiating the PFG.

    https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/agri-business/greens-give-way-on-live-exports-and-the-nitrates-derogation-39288194.html

    Jeez, I can only imagine! It wouldn't be for the faint hearted. It would be a very difficult matter to approach maturely, though. The far-right would probably make it predominantly a religion/immigration issue like they did with the direct provision centre in Oughterard.

    If activists were to do what you said though, the uproar would be unprecedented imo.


  • #56
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,671 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    LawBoy2018 wrote: »
    Absolutely. The Greens had originally hoped to ban live exports but FG weren't having it when it came to negotiating the PFG.

    https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/agri-business/greens-give-way-on-live-exports-and-the-nitrates-derogation-39288194.html

    Jeez, I can only imagine! It wouldn't be for the faint hearted. It would be a very difficult matter to approach maturely, though. The far-right would probably make it predominantly a religion/immigration issue like they did with the direct provision centre in Oughterard.

    If activists were to do what you said though, the uproar would be unprecedented imo.

    The far right are involved now?

    Lol.


  • #57
    LawBoy2018
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭LawBoy2018


    Danzy wrote: »
    The far right are involved now?

    Lol.

    Not in the habit of reading, are you m8?


  • #58
    Irishman80
    Closed Accounts Posts: 236 ✭✭Irishman80


    LawBoy2018 wrote: »
    Absolutely. The Greens had originally hoped to ban live exports but FG weren't having it when it came to negotiating the PFG.

    https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/agri-business/greens-give-way-on-live-exports-and-the-nitrates-derogation-39288194.html

    Jeez, I can only imagine! It wouldn't be for the faint hearted. It would be a very difficult matter to approach maturely, though. The far-right would probably make it predominantly a religion/immigration issue like they did with the direct provision centre in Oughterard.

    If activists were to do what you said though, the uproar would be unprecedented imo.

    The animal rights activists would face huge backlash. It would come from the huge Farmer, Beef and Agri Food, and religious lobbies. They'd have very little political support. The far-right would be the least of their worries in this country.

    I'm sure some of them have considered this strategy before but the backlash would be immense. They'd gain quite a bit of support amongst ordinary, everyday people though.


  • #59
    Bass Reeves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,235 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    It is interesting that in this modern time we are now having issue with what were rules bough in for food hygiene/safety reason. There are huge similarities between Halal and Kosher food rules. So what were they bought in. If you look at he list of proscribed(unclean) food sources pork, birds of prey, fish eating birds, shellfish and crustaceans are all banned. In hot countries these food type have a much higher risk of giving food poisoning than kosher/halal food sources.

    So why would Halal and Kosher both advocate the same type of slaughter, it is not just the cutting of the throat, it is the method it is done by. Both religion's proscribe the same method cutting
    From islamic law
    This method of slaughtering animals consists of using a well-sharpened knife to make a swift, deep incision that cuts the front of the throat, the carotid artery, trachea, and jugular veins

    From Jewish Law
    the animal be killed by a single cut across the throat to a precise depth, severing both carotid arteries, both jugular veins, both vagus nerves, the trachea and the esophagus, no higher than the epiglottis and no lower than where cilia begin inside the trachea, causing the animal to bleed to death


    It is easy to see with proscribing certain animal, bird and fish types along with dead or carrion animals that these laws safe guarded the way food was produced. In a time when the risk of food poisioning was high especially in warm countries it removed a huge health threat.

    O I forgot the consumption of Bat's is forbidden as well interesting that.

    Slava Ukrainii



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