Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Ginger n Lemon

Journal idiots commenting "now we had a window to go into full lockdown to bring cases down and then open up a little bit for Xmas"

"but govt blew it, we had our chance now to lower the cases"


God, never gets old

_Kaiser_

5 minutes later in the bulletin the discussion is about the Gardai having no additional enforcement powers.

Does no one edit this programme? No wonder people are confused if this is their primary source for "official" news as it would be for particularly a lot of older people

Ginger n Lemon

1 death, 432 cases today.

0 deaths for last 2 days.

Also, 180,000 go on PUP tonight. Seems legit :rolleyes:

Where are those geniuses who were posting in first 2 weeks of Sept "deaths will catch up" ? In what cuckoo land?

Thierry12

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

1 death, 432 cases today.

0 deaths for last 2 days.

Also, 180,000 go on PUP tonight. Seems legit :rolleyes:

Where are those geniuses who were posting in first 2 weeks of Sept "deaths will catch up" ? In what cuckoo land?

Yeah im getting tired of it now too

This site is crap so I cant check your previous posts

Clearly remember you saying deaths with those thousands of cases we are getting wont come and they haven't

WHO estimated 0.13% IFR looks correct here

Its a pity HSE are a joke and we never got O'Leary in there years ago, we are in lockdown over them not this mild virus

_Kaiser_

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Government raids €1.5bn rainy day fund for Budget 2021
Minister Donohoe says conditions of fund have been met by Covid crisis

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/government-raids-1-5bn-rainy-day-fund-for-budget-2021-1.4373653?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fbusiness%2Feconomy%2Fgovernment-raids-1-5bn-rainy-day-fund-for-budget-2021-1.4373653

This suggests to me that there is little appetite to borrow anymore. Fintan brace yourself, USC 2.0 coming in April. But dont worry it will be temporary

This one is the biggest indicator that the "we'll spend our way out of this" notion is hitting a wall, whether it be from Europe or the markets, or another factor.

But we're too busy on the news here talking about Trump again. They seem aghast that he's not cowed and frightened after his experience over the last few days, instead telling people not to let Covid dominate their lives.

Whatever else ya might think about the man, that's good advice for everyone

SusieBlue

It occurred to me last night that pubs have been closed for every single public holiday this year.
Paddy’s day, Easter, the May, June, and August bank holidays and now the October bank holiday too.
The year is basically a complete write off for the pub trade.

And still people calling for more restrictions and more closures. It’s baffling that we are watching industries being decimated and some are still wanting more of it, it’s easy to see that their livelihoods and futures aren’t the ones being destroyed.

pjohnson

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Center Parcs Longford closing until 30 October as Level 3 restrictions kick in

A statement from the company apologised to all those who had plans to visit in the coming weeks.

https://www.thejournal.ie/center-parcs-longford-closing-level-3-5225206-Oct2020/

I know PJ will come in with some smart remark now but jesus.. peoples mental health must be at all time low. Cant even do a staycation now. Ironically enough this sort of nonsense will encourage foreign travel....

Aww how cute you thought of me along with your faux mental health concern. Adorable.

_Kaiser_

SusieBlue wrote: »

It occurred to me last night that pubs have been closed for every single public holiday this year.
Paddy’s day, Easter, the May, June, and August bank holidays and now the October bank holiday too.
The year is basically a complete write off for the pub trade.

And still people calling for more restrictions and more closures. It’s baffling that we are watching industries being decimated and some are still wanting more of it, it’s easy to see that their livelihoods and futures aren’t the ones being destroyed.

That's true. It's easy to pontificate when you're not affected by the consequences.

I'd be one of those who has been working from home since March. Saving money on commuting and random expenses during the day, a lot less tired after work and fine with my own company for the most part.

But I'd never be so blind or arrogant to presume that just because I'm doing OK, that everyone else is fine too.

_Kaiser_

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

5 minutes later in the bulletin the discussion is about the Gardai having no additional enforcement powers.

Does no one edit this programme? No wonder people are confused if this is their primary source for "official" news as it would be for particularly a lot of older people

The more people that think it’s a law the better.

hynesie08

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

The more people that think it’s a law the better.

Government should lie to their citizens..... What could go wrong.....

Andrewf20

Hand in Your Pants wrote: »

Gotta love all the fake dilemmas people are faced with - lockdown now or lockdown later, level five now or level five later etc. etc.
I know it gave your lives some much needed meaning but the pandemic is over.

Interesting article on the bbcnews website today about lockdown fatigue. It basically implied that people are less likely to adhere to strict measures the longer they go on. We would probably never see level 5 adherence like before unless ruthlessly enforced.

Rrrrrr2

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Government raids €1.5bn rainy day fund for Budget 2021
Minister Donohoe says conditions of fund have been met by Covid crisis

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/government-raids-1-5bn-rainy-day-fund-for-budget-2021-1.4373653?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fbusiness%2Feconomy%2Fgovernment-raids-1-5bn-rainy-day-fund-for-budget-2021-1.4373653

This suggests to me that there is little appetite to borrow anymore. Fintan brace yourself, USC 2.0 coming in April. But dont worry it will be temporary

Wow- there we have it. They’re so desperate for cash they have to raid a few pennies- Which wouldn’t last one week at the rate cash is being burned through.
We’ve been saying this couldn’t go on for 6 months plus and constantly dismissed and heckled by the lockdown fantastics.
I’d say it’s not just appetite- it’s more seriously capacity- we just can’t afford it.
This was a major reason why they couldn’t go to Level 5 like the doopy daydreamers in Nphet “advised”.

facehugger99

I'm about to head out to support my local pub before this level 3 nonsense kicks in and closes them again.


Don't call me a hero - I'm only doing what I believe to be right.

uli84

Are hotels operating? i’d like to avail of stay and spend scheme

Rrrrrr2

facehugger99 wrote: »

I'm about to head out to support my local pub before this level 3 nonsense kicks in and closes them again.


Don't call me a hero - I'm only doing what I believe to be right.

I believe the same and please everyone get out and support those businesses still open and doing take aways- they need all that revenue

Coillte_Bhoy

facehugger99 wrote: »

I'm about to head out to support my local pub before this level 3 nonsense kicks in and closes them again.


Don't call me a hero - I'm only doing what I believe to be right.

I went last night when i heard about Level 3 but thought it was coming in last night, i cant manage two school nights in a row but have fun

snowcat

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

1 death, 432 cases today.

0 deaths for last 2 days.

Also, 180,000 go on PUP tonight. Seems legit :rolleyes:

Where are those geniuses who were posting in first 2 weeks of Sept "deaths will catch up" ? In what cuckoo land?

I remember being ridiculed by the doomsters on this thread back in May when I said the death rate might eventually pan out at .3-.7%. Figures of 7% plus were thrown around and people could not see past the published death rate. Looks like it will be substantially less than the current rate. And thats before the WHO has throw in that possibly a billion people have had the virus already.

FintanMcluskey

facehugger99 wrote: »

I'm about to head out to support my local pub before this level 3 nonsense kicks in and closes them again.


Don't call me a hero - I'm only doing what I believe to be right.

Likewise.

I hope I'm held in the same esteem by those who understand economics, as Dr Tony is by those who don't understand health.

These few will have to cover xmas and new years at this rate

bucketybuck

I have been asking for months when we will start to see the huge upsurge in deaths that are supposed to accompany the rise in cases, those cases have been rising since the end of July after all.

The lag used to be weeks, then I was told it was actually months before the deaths would come. Now it has been months so I guess those goalposts will have to be moved again soon.

Condolences to all who have lost their lives but the simple fact is that covid deaths remain statistically low and predominant within a particular age group. I would suggest we would be better of accepting that ****ing fact and acting accordingly instead of wasting time and money where it is not needed.

Rrrrrr2

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

The more people that think it’s a law the better.

Had a little chuckle to myself here...it's like something as ridiculous as Nphet would come out with

funnydoggy

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

The more people that think it’s a law the better.

Well they've been lying all along, maybe another white lie won't hurt..

bush

uli84 wrote: »

Are hotels operating? i’d like to avail of stay and spend scheme

Not for leisure

snowcat

bush wrote: »

Not for leisure

Im sure you are definitely going on essential work related business and need to bring your family as their is no childcare..

There was a few hotels who opened through the initial lockdown but only for essential workers. I know for a fact that the vetting on who was an essential worker was quite lax and some did a brisk trade and actually did quite well during the first lockdown. (disclaimer I have a bnb and cleaned up during the lockdown with hotels closed and some hotels did too)

uli84

bush wrote: »

Not for leisure

Haha great scheme so, guess i’m flying to Poland so in 2 weeks

Also another useless leaflet about living with Covid delivered today, shame about wasting money really

FintanMcluskey

uli84 wrote: »

Are hotels operating? i’d like to avail of stay and spend scheme

I was just told no as I checked in tonight.

Shut from tonight on in Mayo and I would be considered an essential worker.

CruelSummer

Ridiculous media articles criticising Varadkar’s criticisms of NPHET. What sort of agenda do they have? Why are they coming for the Government who have actually decided they want to govern 6 months into the pandemic. Why aren’t they talking about all the jobs the Government have saved for the moment? Why aren’t they suggesting we form a new advisory body to replace NPHET or add more expertise from other areas.
But no, let’s ramble on about how Varadkar did the right thing and try to find a way to vilify him for it...this country’s media need serious investigation and reform.

_Kaiser_

bucketybuck wrote: »

I have been asking for months when we will start to see the huge upsurge in deaths that are supposed to accompany the rise in cases, those cases have been rising since the end of July after all.

The lag used to be weeks, then I was told it was actually months before the deaths would come. Now it has been months so I guess those goalposts will have to be moved again soon.

Condolences to all who have lost their lives but the simple fact is that covid deaths remain statistically low and predominant within a particular age group. I would suggest we would be better of accepting that ****ing fact and acting accordingly instead of wasting time and money where it is not needed.

And that's the truth of it. We've had the incubation periods, the increase in cases, and the treatment periods over the last 5/6 months now... And yet the deaths are still a handful per week, still under 2000 overall and many people continue to show no symptoms in the first place.

Absolutely do I feel sorry for those who have died and those statistically even fewer who've ended up with after-effects, but the reality (as I and others keep saying) is that CV-19 is not as deadly as was first feared - which is a GOOD THING! This doesn't mean that some people aren't at risk, and that they shouldn't protect themselves (absolutely they should, and be supported in doing so), but it continues to validate the evidence that this virus poses little to no risk for the vast majority of people.

The increasingly far more concerning thing is not just the effects that the constant fear and hysteria is having on those who are being forced from their jobs or restricted from their friends, loved ones and social outlets, but the worrying effect it's having on those who cannot see the above for themselves and actively resist it, attacking others for calling out the actual reality of the situation.

It's causing increasing division not just between us randomers on Boards and other social media, but among friends, colleagues and people in general. It's exposing a very nasty undercurrent and the damaging influence the constant flood of negativity and analysis is having on people's ability to step back and look at the situation for themselves. The Government/media have made celebrities out of medical advisors and are severely limiting the exposure of alternative views unless they are simultaneously belittled as cranks or extremists.

This latter point and the impact on our society is something that we will all be dealing with long after CV-19

CruelSummer

CruelSummer wrote: »

Ridiculous media articles criticising Varadkar’s criticisms of NPHET. What sort of agenda do they have? Why are they coming for the Government who have actually decided they want to govern 6 months into the pandemic. Why aren’t they talking about all the jobs the Government have saved for the moment? Why aren’t they suggesting we form a new advisory body to replace NPHET or add more expertise from other areas.
But no, let’s ramble on about how Varadkar did the right thing and try to find a way to vilify him for it...this country’s media need serious investigation and reform.

Because they are representing the views of very large numbers of people in the country who don’t want nphet replaced and don’t agree with the government not taking their advice.

Rrrrrr2

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

Because they are representing the views of very large numbers of people in the country who don’t want nphet replaced and don’t agree with the government not taking their advice.

If that’s the case why isn’t there a big public push to impose L5 lockdown? I certainly don’t see or hear one. A vocal small minority of Covid moralisers and assorted hypochondriacs want it I’m sure. The vast majority have had enough and are happy to do their own risk assessments without pointless quangos like Nphet nannying them

Beasty

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