Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Penfailed

Risteard81 wrote: »

Wrong. Pubs in the Six Occupied Counties are serving drink outside without food.

Not wrong. Do you want me to get you a list of pubs that are still closed?

vid36

Sweden has had 5780 deaths.
High schools and universities closed since March
50 person limit on public gatherings. No festivals, spectators at football matches, concerts etc.
Swedish residents face mandatory quarantine when travelling to many countries.
Recession and unemployment rising.
Sweden still has to worry about a second wave, only 7% have antibodies.
If it is a trade-off, I would prefer more temporary unemployment to more deaths.

Penfailed

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Yes.

:rolleyes: :pac:

Do you know Penfailed by any chance? Your writing very much resembles his, great grammar, full stops, complete lack of emojis....obsession with calling people out.. You also have very few posts but you seem to be eager to call people out. This is getting very suspicious.

Listen, i ll ignore you. When in doubt better safe than sorry. Good luck

Yeah, it's all a conspiracy to attack G'n'L :rolleyes:

is_that_so

polesheep wrote: »

The 1,600 are pre-cancers.

A personal experience. I took Dr. Holohan's advice and contacted my GP regarding a skin issue. He referred me to a specialist for investigations regarding a possible skin cancer. That was over two months ago and the specialist has yet to begin seeing new patients.

I also know that the bowel screening programme has not yet returned for new patients. Then there is breast check, cervical smears, etc.

Good to hear you've been added to the system. My point is you don't develop cancer in 3 months. As for the HSE, well they like pretty much every other health authority deemed it too great a risk to have the potentially ill near a COVID-19 environment. I see nothing wrong with that logic.

polesheep

is_that_so wrote: »

Good to hear you've been added to the system. My point is you don't develop cancer in 3 months. As for the HSE, well they like pretty much every other health authority deemed it too great a risk to have the potentially ill near a COVID-19 environment. I see nothing wrong with that logic.

A pre-cancer treated can mean a cancer will not develop. Time is of the essence in treating both cancers and pre-cancers.

Covid-19 has not been a cross contamination issue in our hospitals for some time now.

I would prefer to have been added to a system that is functioning normally.

Assetbacked

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/coronavirus-punches-8-3bn-hole-in-public-finances-1.4322841

€8.3bn government deficit from this time last year. 5 months into the pandemic and no sign of the government looking to do anything to address this deficit means it is going to get a lot worse. This deficit only took into account the costs of running the country and paying pandemic income supports but it will balloon further once they borrow the billions needed to kickstart the economy in a few months.

Considering the Dept of Finance mentality is so small-minded and about balancing the books, it is hard not to see big spending cuts being made over the coming months in favour of directing the cash to economic stimulants.

EDIT: also published https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/unemployment-rate-drops-to-16-7-in-july-1.4322537

Unemployment rate drops to 16.7% in July from 23.1% the previous month (which is far too high in any event) but, and it is a big but, does not include the 390,000 employees on the Government’s Wage Subsidy Scheme, who are having their wages subsidised by the State. Youth rate unemployment is 41%. Jesus, this is worrying.

is_that_so

polesheep wrote: »

A pre-cancer treated can mean a cancer will not develop. Time is of the essence in treating both cancers and pre-cancers.

Covid-19 has not been a cross contamination issue in our hospitals for some time now.

I would prefer to have been added to a system that is functioning normally.

We didn't have that option and had to work with a hospital system under extreme pressure normally and potentially at risk of collapse. I wouldn't blame them for pushing some things aside temporarily. The cancer programme where I've come in contact with it, through friends and family has been very good and seems to work well.

Idbatterim

Penfailed wrote: »

Doesn't change the fact that many pubs are still closed due to restrictions.

Wont see pushback until budget implications, of course their plan will be to leave all as is and just borrow borrow borrow!

John O.Groats

Idbatterim wrote: »

Wont see pushback until budget implications, of course their plan will be to leave all as is and just borrow borrow borrow!

Just like every other country in Europe and many beyond have done and will continue to do.

Idbatterim

Once we have no covid deaths and can provide free 4eva homes... does anything else actually matter ?

Idbatterim

Idbatterim wrote: »

Wont see pushback until budget implications, of course their plan will be to leave all as is and just borrow borrow borrow!

The one certain way to kill the economy is to stop borrowing

FintanMcluskey

vid36 wrote: »

Sweden has had 5780 deaths.
High schools and universities closed since March
50 person limit on public gatherings. No festivals, spectators at football matches, concerts etc.
Swedish residents face mandatory quarantine when travelling to many countries.
Recession and unemployment rising.
Sweden still has to worry about a second wave, only 7% have antibodies.
If it is a trade-off, I would prefer more temporary unemployment to more deaths.

Sweden has equal deaths per capita of vulnerable as Ireland

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Sweden has equal deaths per capita of vulnerable as Ireland

When you select a completely subjective criteria to identify "Vulnerable". Everyone over 65 was going to die in the next 6 months anyway!

blacklilly

is_that_so wrote: »

Good to hear you've been added to the system. My point is you don't develop cancer in 3 months. As for the HSE, well they like pretty much every other health authority deemed it too great a risk to have the potentially ill near a COVID-19 environment. I see nothing wrong with that logic.

I’m not sure where you have gotten your information from but there are many forms of aggressive cancers that can develop within that time frame.
I appreciate the difficulties the HSE have in terms of providing screening, however there will ultimately be people who will loose their lives due to the lack of a functioning screening and treatment system.

MickeyLeari

blacklilly wrote: »

I’m not sure where you have gotten your information from but there are many forms of aggressive cancers that can develop within that time frame.
I appreciate the difficulties the HSE have in terms of providing screening, however there will ultimately be people who will loose their lives due to the lack of a functioning screening and treatment system.

Well said. And strange that anyone could ever defend a policy of stopping cancer screening programmes let alone postponement of treatments.

bucketybuck

Worse is the idea that a couple of months here or there doesn't matter when it comes to cancer.

That time lost diagnosing or treating will result in deaths that could have been prevented, that is a simple fact.

Tony H knows all about that of course.

Dempo1

I see Adrian Cummins from the restaurant association moaning again, he's distressed that restaurants have to close at 10.30PM and cleared by 11pm. Forgive me but with exception of takeaways, who's going to be ordering food in a restaurant at 10.30pm, perhaps he's more upset at restaurants serving alcohol well beyond meals that have been long finished FFS

Dempo1

Dempo1 wrote: »

I see Adrian Cummins from the restaurant association moaning again, he's distressed that restaurants have to close at 10.30PM and cleared by 11pm. Forgive me but with exception of takeaways, who's going to be ordering food in a restaurant at 10.30pm, perhaps he's more upset at restaurants serving alcohol well beyond meals that have been long finished FFS

I think people are just trying to earn a living...
I wonder how you might feel when your own income changes?

Dempo1

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I think people are just trying to earn a living...
I wonder how you might feel when your own income changes?

My income has changed if you must know, fair enough people trying to earn a living, but suspect the RAI"s concerns don't include the staff expected to work full hours and get 75% of their wages cortiousy of the TWSS, they bleat on about vat reduction, when the last one was never passed on to consumers. Restaurants now open, unlike pubs, they've little to complain about.

stephenjmcd

Dempo1 wrote: »

I see Adrian Cummins from the restaurant association moaning again, he's distressed that restaurants have to close at 10.30PM and cleared by 11pm. Forgive me but with exception of takeaways, who's going to be ordering food in a restaurant at 10.30pm, perhaps he's more upset at restaurants serving alcohol well beyond meals that have been long finished FFS

Because to try and make up lost covers some restaurants introduced later sittings.

Some in my area had last sitting 10pm and out by 11.45, the extra 30 or 40 late covers giving them some sort of viability and being able to bring staff back.

Out by 11 is last sitting at 9.

An extra 30 tables is massive for business at the moment where they have to limit capacity and you might not want but some people do want to go out late. My own other half works an 8-8 so the 10pm sitting was a nice end to the working week.

Plenty of staff I know already been told hours will be cut now and some laid off back onto PUP because of it, not viable now with the lost covers.

Surely you can see when they operated at 30% capacity they're now having more capacity taken away so the viability of the business of course comes into it.

The Belly

Assetbacked wrote: »

Without underlying illnesses, there is minimal concern with respect to this virus if you eat fresh fruit and vegetables (particularly cruciferous veg), sleep enough, drink lots of water, exercise, don't drink too much alcohol and don't be overweight. This message does not get the same airtime as vaccines, masks, social distancing even though it is the most important of all measures to minimise the impact of the virus.

Enough Zinc in the diet too

is_that_so

blacklilly wrote: »

I’m not sure where you have gotten your information from but there are many forms of aggressive cancers that can develop within that time frame.
I appreciate the difficulties the HSE have in terms of providing screening, however there will ultimately be people who will loose their lives due to the lack of a functioning screening and treatment system.

I'm happy to be proved wrong but please provide an actual example of one. I am also not sure what you imagine anyone could have done. We just couldn't continue any programmes in the middle of a huge health crisis when we realistically could have been heading down the route of Italy.

Another day of 0 deaths and still huge parts of the economy remain closed or restrictions massively impacting on profits.

How long is this sustainable for is now the question?

And I actually just heard RTÉ making out that BOI are mean for cutting 1400 jobs during a pandemic. They are losing hundreds of millions this year.

Diabhalta

clowns

bucketybuck

Another day, yet again zero deaths from or even with Covid. Health officials are reported to be "very concerned".

Penfailed

Diabhalta wrote: »

clowns

Fake.

The Belly

yawhat? wrote: »

You are correct, it’s not a difficult concept to grasp. Racist concepts rarely are.

:rolleyes: Ah the old racist card coming out desperado time

Dempo1

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Because to try and make up lost covers some restaurants introduced later sittings.

Some in my area had last sitting 10pm and out by 11.45, the extra 30 or 40 late covers giving them some sort of viability and being able to bring staff back.

Out by 11 is last sitting at 9.

An extra 30 tables is massive for business at the moment where they have to limit capacity and you might not want but some people do want to go out late. My own other half works an 8-8 so the 10pm sitting was a nice end to the working week.

Plenty of staff I know already been told hours will be cut now and some laid off back onto PUP because of it, not viable now with the lost covers.

Surely you can see when they operated at 30% capacity they're now having more capacity taken away so the viability of the business of course comes into it.

I'm not doubting you but where is this restaurant taking last orders at 10pm?, if there is I stand corrected. I fully understand the serious implications of lost capacity, it's a serious problem, every seat counts, I'm just sick to teeth of representative bodies constantly moaning with rarely a consideration for the people who work in their industry and indeed those who frequent it. There's a painful reality that will have to be accepted, it's a new world and as painful as it is, these businesses will need to adapt or sink.

Galadriel

My local cinema are saying after the government announcement last night that masks are mandatory throughout the entire movie.

Apparently HSE radio ads today mentioned it.

lukas8888

Penfailed wrote: »

Fake.

I know you have a low opinion of the IQ of the majority of posters here,but did you really feel the need to tell us it is a fake tweet.