Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Assetbacked

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Donnelly on R1 just now complaining about people on social media spreading fear.

Then goes on to talk about "Long Covid"

Irony is not in his vocabulary I guess

Doomers still hang on the government's every word as they lack a critical thinking ability. It's just pathetic that so many people still think covid is a serious virus for anyone but a tiny sect of society.

Penfailed

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

PJ good morning

Good to see you drop in.

I dont think that people not being in favour of gardai stopping them and asking them where they are going constitutes being anti-gardai.

I hope you are less confused now

I think the quote was, "Tell them to F off." That sounds anti-gardai to me. What's wrong with being civil?

weldoninhio

Penfailed wrote: »

I think the quote was, "Tell them to F off." That sounds anti-gardai to me. What's wrong with being civil?

If a shop assistant was stopping you from going into a supermarket and asking you, what aisles will you be using? What items are you buying today? You’d tell them to F off. Same thing.

Ginger n Lemon

weldoninhio wrote: »

If a shop assistant was stopping you from going into a supermarket and asking you, what aisles will you be using? What items are you buying today? You’d tell them to F off. Same thing.

Penfailed wouldnt.

Or well he would, but then subsequently post here "I told them I ll be buying toilet paper, and wished them good day"

weldoninhio

weldoninhio wrote: »

If a shop assistant was stopping you from going into a supermarket and asking you, what aisles will you be using? What items are you buying today? You’d tell them to F off. Same thing.

I’d pay good money to see you tell a guard to f-off at a checkpoint, if and it’s a big if you actually would say it you would regret it soon after. You really are going into Gemma territory now, not a place anyone should find themselves.

Also you would need a car to be stopped at a check point and you don’t appear to have managed to achieve that yet so you really haven’t a clue what you are taking about when it come to a traffic stop.

LuasSimon

When does only visitors ( max 6 ) from one other home start ?

facehugger99

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

I’d pay good money to see you tell a guard to f-off at a checkpoint, if and it’s a big if you actually would say it you would regret it soon after. You really are going into Gemma territory now, not a place anyone should find themselves.

Also you would need a car to be stopped at a check point and you don’t appear to have managed to achieve that yet so you really haven’t a clue what you are taking about when it come to a traffic stop.

When did you unlock your 'car achievement' trophy anyway?

weldoninhio

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

I’d pay good money to see you tell a guard to f-off at a checkpoint, if and it’s a big if you actually would say it you would regret it soon after. You really are going into Gemma territory now, not a place anyone should find themselves.

Also you would need a car to be stopped at a check point and you don’t appear to have managed to achieve that yet so you really haven’t a clue what you are taking about when it come to a traffic stop.

I've told Gardai to f off previously and on more than one occasion, back in my youth, while drunk, belligerent and immature. Unsurprisingly nothing happened. You've probably seen a Twitter video though. Or did your local sergeant, who lets drink drivers off with a warning tell you a story about what happens??

weldoninhio

weldoninhio wrote: »

I've told Gardai to f off previously and on more than one occasion, back in my youth, while drunk, belligerent and immature. Unsurprisingly nothing happened. You've probably seen a Twitter video though.

Last person I saw refuse give his name to a guard was a friend a few years ago (we were all drunk), told him to f-off (or similar) and turn to walk away. Ended up pinned to the ground by two guards, put in a paddy wagon and spent a night in the cell. Left out the next morning with no charge as it was just to teach him a lesson.

I know your stories aren’t true but to think the way you do is enough to know what type of individual you are. Regardless of wrongdoing or not no one should be telling guards, shop workers etc to f-off. I’d say you would sh1t your pants if a guard even looked at you.

funnydoggy

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

Last person I saw refuse give his name to a guard was a friend a few years ago (we were all drunk), told him to f-off (or similar) and turn to walk away. Ended up pinned to the ground by two guards, put in a paddy wagon and spent a night in the cell. Left out the next morning with no charge as it was just to teach him a lesson.

I know your stories aren’t true but to think the way you do is enough to know what type of individual you are. Regardless of wrongdoing or not no one should be telling guards, shop workers etc to f-off. I’d say you would sh1t your pants if a guard even looked at you.

Why would his story be untrue and yours true?

funnydoggy

funnydoggy wrote: »

Why would his story be untrue and yours true?

Because people who would regularly act as he claims towards guards would get pulled up on it sooner or later and most likely get arrested at the very least.

JRant

LuasSimon wrote: »

When does only visitors ( max 6 ) from one other home start ?

It hasn't been approved by cabinet yet and even when it is there are no laws against you having more more than 6. It's all only advisory (se today's high court ruling for confirmation)

FintanMcluskey

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

Last person I saw refuse give his name to a guard was a friend a few years ago (we were all drunk), told him to f-off (or similar) and turn to walk away. Ended up pinned to the ground by two guards, put in a paddy wagon and spent a night in the cell. Left out the next morning with no charge as it was just to teach him a lesson.

Your local gardai are quite the maverick cops.

Drink driving is absolutely fine but being rude to a guard is met with police brutality

Sounds like detective Harry Callahan is leading the local force

Penfailed

weldoninhio wrote: »

If a shop assistant was stopping you from going into a supermarket and asking you, what aisles will you be using? What items are you buying today? You’d tell them to F off. Same thing.

Completely different thing. Also, I was brought up...not dragged up

weldoninhio

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

Last person I saw refuse give his name to a guard was a friend a few years ago (we were all drunk), told him to f-off (or similar) and turn to walk away. Ended up pinned to the ground by two guards, put in a paddy wagon and spent a night in the cell. Left out the next morning with no charge as it was just to teach him a lesson.

I know your stories aren’t true but to think the way you do is enough to know what type of individual you are. Regardless of wrongdoing or not no one should be telling guards, shop workers etc to f-off. I’d say you would sh1t your pants if a guard even looked at you.

Who said anything about not giving your name? You are obliged to give the guards your name and address.

weldoninhio

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

Because people who would regularly act as he claims towards guards would get pulled up on it sooner or later and most likely get arrested at the very least.

I've never been arrested in my life. I have been previously asked to the station to help with inquiries, which I have turned down.

average_runner

Lockdown for madrid

Captain_Crash

JRant wrote: »

It hasn't been approved by cabinet yet and even when it is there are no laws against you having more more than 6. It's all only advisory (se today's high court ruling for confirmation)

Just had a read of the judgement (admittedly not all of it). As expected, the state won the case but its put them in a corner now... their argument that it’s all only advisory won but how will this play out with other restrictions??

RTE will no doubt broadcast that the travel restrictions are lawful and the state was right, but make no mention of it being merely advice and no more

Judgment is here: https://www.courts.ie/viewer/pdf/4c363613-d8d4-4813-91ff-ea95c099d390/2020_IEHC_461.pdf/pdf#view=fitH

hynesie08

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Your local gardai are quite the maverick cops.

Drink driving is absolutely fine but being rude to a guard is met with police brutality

Sounds like detective Harry Callahan is leading the local force

Considering how culchie nox is, the gardai was probably your man's cousin/granda

Grant Billions Bifocals

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

Last person I saw refuse give his name to a guard was a friend a few years ago (we were all drunk), told him to f-off (or similar) and turn to walk away. Ended up pinned to the ground by two guards, put in a paddy wagon and spent a night in the cell. Left out the next morning with no charge as it was just to teach him a lesson.

I know your stories aren’t true but to think the way you do is enough to know what type of individual you are. Regardless of wrongdoing or not no one should be telling guards, shop workers etc to f-off. I’d say you would sh1t your pants if a guard even looked at you.

The clues are in the terms "Paddy wagon" and "night in the cell". I seriously think you'd sh!t yourself if a GIRL looked sat you, never mind a guard!
c'mon, you're having us on all with this craic?? you cannot be a real person..:rolleyes:

Assetbacked

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/ryanair-loses-high-court-action-over-ireland-s-travel-advice-1.4370292?mode=amp

Ryan Air loses its claim against the travel restrictions being a breach of law as they only amounted to guidance.

I'd be sickened to be one of those that cancelled foreign holidays in August/September only to read this in the judgment:

“The advice to avoid non-essential travel and to restrict movements on entry to the State is just that: advice,” Mr Justice Simons said. “The Government merely requests that persons entering the State from a country not on the “green list” restrict their movements for 14 days. As of August 2020, there had been no legal requirement to do so.”

hynesie08

Assetbacked wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/ryanair-loses-high-court-action-over-ireland-s-travel-advice-1.4370292?mode=amp

Ryan Air loses its claim against the travel restrictions being a breach of law as they only amounted to guidance.

I'd be sickened to be one of those that cancelled foreign holidays in August/September only to read this in the judgment:

Is this good or bad for them? I'm not sure they actually wanted to win....

polesheep

Assetbacked wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/ryanair-loses-high-court-action-over-ireland-s-travel-advice-1.4370292?mode=amp

Ryan Air loses its claim against the travel restrictions being a breach of law as they only amounted to guidance.

I'd be sickened to be one of those that cancelled foreign holidays in August/September only to read this in the judgment:

I wonder if Ryanair were able to find a PS worker willing to take a case would they be able to trip the government up, now that it is confirmed that it was always meant to be nothing more than advice.

3xh

hynesie08 wrote: »

Is this good or bad for them? I'm not sure they actually wanted to win....

It’s more awkward for them. Basically caught with their pants down. Now they’ve to hope the public are still on board with them as they ramp up restrictions over the next while, legal, advice, or not.

People will have cancelled their holidays because of this. More fool them, imo, unfortunately. The official wording was actually always clear if you (as in anyone) bothered to read it properly and not get it from RTE.

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Your local gardai are quite the maverick cops.

Drink driving is absolutely fine but being rude to a guard is met with police brutality

Sounds like detective Harry Callahan is leading the local force

Was in the city not local.

hynesie08

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

Was in the city not local.

I assume your friend asked for a copy of the gardas report for his solicitor and the ombudsman? Gardai aren't allowed assault citizens, no matter how much you want to give them that power.

dubdaymo

It's a partial "win" for Ryanair in that it has now been formally established that the travel advice is officially "advice only" whereas before it was a grey area for many.

Interesting to read that Aer Lingus, although not a party to the case, are "tagged on" so the headline really should be "Ryanair and Aer Lingus lose out in High Court ruling".

Interesting also to note that Ryanair's costs have been limited by the judge in this instance.

kippy

weldoninhio wrote: »

If a shop assistant was stopping you from going into a supermarket and asking you, what aisles will you be using? What items are you buying today? You’d tell them to F off. Same thing.

Not the same thing.

Fakediamond

hynesie08 wrote: »

I assume your friend asked for a copy of the gardas report for his solicitor and the ombudsman? Gardai aren't allowed assault citizens, no matter how much you want to give them that power.

Good luck to him taking that route, it wouldn’t end well

Witcher

hynesie08 wrote: »

I assume your friend asked for a copy of the gardas report for his solicitor and the ombudsman? Gardai aren't allowed assault citizens, no matter how much you want to give them that power.

Gardai are permitted to use force to effect an arrest.