Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

3xh

I have to acknowledge the posters who are calling bollox on Level 5 actually being implemented by the Government. I think you’re right. I think it’s all a ruse to make us think we dodged a bullet, Micháel and co are in control, etc etc.

We’ll know soon enough either way but I’d put a fiver on us not going to Level 5. It’s all a kite-flying PR stunt, imo.

Incidentally, I do notice that Level 5 nowadays is deemed different to the first time around. Schools remain open, over-70s will not be recommended to cocoon (stupid word), among other things.

Penfailed

A countrywide Level 5 isn't going to happen in the short term.

JRant

So, here's McConkey again

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/move-to-level-5-restrictions-a-no-brainer-specialist-says-1.4371992?mode=amp

Destroying businesses and people's livelihoods is a "no brainier". Sure it's only 3 months.

uli84

Penfailed wrote: »

A countrywide Level 5 isn't going to happen in the short term.

Great but level 4 is just as bad, no visitors and pretty much everything closed apart from”outdoors” but the weather isn’t really in favour of outdoors

Penfailed

uli84 wrote: »

Great but level 4 is just as bad, no visitors and pretty much everything closed apart from”outdoors” but the weather isn’t really in favour of outdoors

Personally, I don't think it will go to Level 4 either.

JRant

Penfailed wrote: »

Personally, I don't think it will go to Level 4 either.

I hope you're right Pen but I've a feeling we are going to L4 in Dublin at a minimum, even though they haven't let the current restrictions run the course and see if the situation stabilises.

Assetbacked

shocksy wrote: »

Your figure of 750m really shows you're away with the fairies. Go back to whatever you're smoking there. Clueless.

Not me, the WHO. It was reported in the IT last week, the 750m figure.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/covid-19-world-in-for-a-hell-of-a-ride-in-coming-months-dr-mike-ryan-says-1.4370626

bloopy

facehugger99 wrote: »

Leaking the letter from NPHET is the usual kite-flying sh;te from this cowardly Government.

See how it plays across social media before making any decision.

They are weaponizing fear. It is not far off psychological abuse - but on a much larger scale.

facehugger99

How can any retail or hospitality business owner plan around this nonsense.

Do they purchase perishable stock knowing they can be shut down on a whim, do they roster staff?

It is criminal what the Government are allowing to happen. They have all but ceded power to a bunch of single-issue bureaucrats, which are now wagging the dog.

I predict they will move the country to Level 4 and pat themselves on the back for taking a 'balanced' approach.

KindOfIrish

facehugger99 wrote: »

How can any retail or hospitality business owner plan around this nonsense.

Do they purchase perishable stock knowing they can be shut down on a whim, do they roster staff?

It is criminal what the Government are allowing to happen. They have all but ceded power to a bunch of single-issue bureaucrats, which are now wagging the dog.

I predict they will move the country to Level 4 and pat themselves on the back for taking a 'balanced' approach.

Good. I've been missing those 350 a week to my bank account.

greengrass88

Maybe I'm missing something but level 4 and level 5 look pretty much the same to me?

JRant

facehugger99 wrote: »

How can any retail or hospitality business owner plan around this nonsense.

Do they purchase perishable stock knowing they can be shut down on a whim, do they roster staff?

It is criminal what the Government are allowing to happen. They have all but ceded power to a bunch of single-issue bureaucrats, which are now wagging the dog.

I predict they will move the country to Level 4 and pat themselves on the back for taking a 'balanced' approach.

There is very little difference between L4 and L5 anyway.

They've been saying that it takes 2/3 weeks to see any real change in numbers yet they've bounced counties around the levels at a whim with no justification given other than "concern".

Penfailed

greengrass88 wrote: »

Maybe I'm missing something but level 4 and level 5 look pretty much the same to me?

Pretty much apart from sports, bars, cafes and restaurants.

suicide_circus

Can non essential retwil businesses remain open in level 4?

Penfailed

suicide_circus wrote: »

Can non essential retwil businesses remain open in level 4?

Yes. Level 5 too.

JRant

Penfailed wrote: »

Pretty much apart from sports, bars, cafes and restaurants.

Sports behind closed doors, only 15 people allowed outdoors in the others. With our weather they may as well be take away only like L5.

JRant

Here's a handy breakdown of the main guidelines for each level.

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/covid19/living_with_covid19_plan.html

Dublin is already in a version of L4, just with gyms and leisure facilities allowed to remain open.

Ginger n Lemon

Wow. I dont remember so many posts in this thread in sucha short period of time.

Doctor death is back with a bang.

Also, NPHET. Nox (N) Penfailed (P). I am just joking

On a more serious note, what the f? Speechless. Every 1 I know are speechless. Absolutely no support for this nonsense.

Where are the scenes from northern Italy?

Where is 350 PUP?

Where are mortgage breaks?

With none of this being present, only a delusional fool would expect public's buy in.


Also - kudos to poster who posted about Chinese vaccine. There are 2 vaccines against covid that are used in China and Russia, and being exported to India, Morocco, Brazil. India ordered 100 million doses of Russian vaccine already.

Not that I agree with hysteria of stopping life and waiting for a vaccine against a disease that has 0.3% mortality.

drunkmonkey

suicide_circus wrote: »

Can non essential retwil businesses remain open in level 4?

Not in level 4 or 5, essential retail only. Some can remain open at level 4 if outdoors or providing a service. It's in the government levels plan.

suicide_circus

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Not in level 4 or 5, essential retail only. Some can remain open at level 4 if outdoors or providing a service. It's in the government levels plan.

Are 100% sure of that?

paw patrol

normanoffside wrote: »

I'm generally a centre left voter but I really don't know where to go here.
No party is being sensible and I feel unable to associate with right wing loopers at protests but yet I want to protest.
This is seriously gonna mess up the status quo of politics.

I was at the protest there, most people there seemed a decent if disgruntled sort.

There were a few loons there tbh and right wing lads but they are the tiny minority and in fairness any protest will have odd balls attend.

That right wing accusation is just a smear campaign to keep people silent.
If you are annoyed enough you should show up - my only advice is to check who is organising . Last sat was health freedom ireland who are apolitical .

Ginger n Lemon

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Not in level 4 or 5, essential retail only. Some can remain open at level 4 if outdoors or providing a service. It's in the government levels plan.

I Wouldnt discuss any levels tbh. It will be level 4.22, with some extra shi* being closed based on recommendation than otherwise would be allowed to stay open.

Assetbacked

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Wow. I dont remember so many posts in this thread in sucha short period of time.

Doctor death is back with a bang.

Also, NPHET. Nox (N) Penfailed (P). I am just joking

On a more serious note, what the f? Speechless. Every 1 I know are speechless. Absolutely no support for this nonsense.

Where are the scenes from northern Italy?

Where is 350 PUP?

Where are mortgage breaks?

With none of this being present, only a delusional fool would expect public's buy in.

Don't forget travel and closing borders. Even just opting for an advisory this time is totally inadequate, with all the thing syou listed above, the borders have to be closed unless there is mandatory quarantining.

Tony was always gonna be the one to come and break the news. I put this down to him being liked first time round and an element of having a sick wife and people not wanting to malign a man under such pressure and tragic family circumstance. It's bad really that he's allowing himself to be used in this regard. Basically nobody likes nor trust the weasel faced milky bar kid with the itchy trigger finger.

That said, I'll be surprised if this isn't the old, tell them it's level 5 country wide and they'll be grateful when we call it 4. This way the Gov looks like they're growing a pair, fighting NEPHET and yet still get heavier restrictions.

Ginger n Lemon

The Irish National Teachers Organisation (INTO) has demanded an immediate review of whether is it safe for Ireland's schools to stay open.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40059548.html

What an embarrassment. Why do they "demand" that? Are schools closed in any other EU countries?

I think Sam McConkey is away with the fairies, he is definitely not in the real world. He spoke about Ireland becoming like New Zealand, the Faroe Islands and Guernsey...... all remote islands! They were the only examples he could suggest. The only country that had restrictions re-introduced like this were Israel based on a HUGE resurgence. Now he is on Newstalk talking about getting all students new Nokia phones that have higher levels of Bluetooth connectivity so they can know in school within seconds that they have contacted Covid!!


Dr Tony Holohan has returned. His wife is still terminally ill. He has been at home for months chomping at the bit listening to all the media reports and NPHET dialogue. He was impotent to do anything except perhaps offer advice, but he was effectively out of the picture. I think his perception is skewed because his wife is so ill. This is understandable but it is NOT being objective. I am not trying to be offensive or insensitive here but there is so much at stake for all of us right now!

I knew the MINUTE I heard Tony Holohan was returning that this would happen. He is back one day and WHAM! There is something very wrong here. He should not be running NPHET and the country while his personal situation is so critical. How can he be objective and balanced at a time like this? WHy do we suddenly have the strictest restrictions in the world bar Israel about to be introduced?

ThunbergsAreGo

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

The Irish National Teachers Organisation (INTO) has demanded an immediate review of whether is it safe for Ireland's schools to stay open.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40059548.html

What an embarrassment. Why do they "demand" that? Are schools closed in any other EU countries?

100% correct to do this.

If its not safe for people to shop or visit homes (according to NPHET), how is it ok for 30 people to be in a small room for hours every day, many of whom are not using any masks etc.?

JeffKenna

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

The Irish National Teachers Organisation (INTO) has demanded an immediate review of whether is it safe for Ireland's schools to stay open.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40059548.html

What an embarrassment. Why do they "demand" that? Are schools closed in any other EU countries?

I can see their point. Why is it safe for schools to stay open in Level 5 but everything else isn't.

Ginger n Lemon

JeffKenna wrote: »

I can see their point. Why is it safe for schools to stay open in Level 5 but everything else isn't.

Its a bit like why does Aldi and Lidl stay open in level 5 while TKmaxx etc. close (presumably).

If we become first EU country to close schools this winter, I mean we are just getting all sorts of world records under our belt.

As to why its safe or not safe, well children are affected substantially less, should they get covid they also recover substantially quicker. While teachers dont actually hug or take children up on their arms or anything like that, in fact they are always 3 - 5 metres away from them.

Compare this with a poor Aldi cashier who while does have some plastic barriers, handles tons of food and deals with hundreds of people per day in close proximity. Amazingly enough - no clusters reported in Aldi. Or Lidls. Or Tescos. But teachers? Ohhh lets do a full review whether it is safe.

_Kaiser_

Pat Kenny seems to be mad keen for fines and sanctioning people here on NT today. I think maybe he feels a bit vulnerable himself? His current guest (Jim O'Callaghan) at least trying to talk sense.