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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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    #9782
    TRANQUILLO
    Registered Users Posts: 453 ✭✭TRANQUILLO


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKFe0-iL1kw

    I like this Cummins fella.


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    #9783
    Irish Aris
    Registered Users Posts: 5,059 ✭✭✭Irish Aris


    hans aus dtschl wrote: »
    With respect, did you read the letter that was sent to the Government?
    It specifically says that if there isn't a Level 5 lockdown for a period of 4 weeks now, and if there is a more gradual approach to the raising of levels, then there will be need for a Level 5 lockdown for a longer period in the near future.

    If the government are right and we don't have a Level 5 in a few weeks time, then NPHET were wrong. If NPHET were right and things don't improve over the next few weeks and we see an imposition of Level 5 then the government were wrong.

    I am not speculating on who's right or wrong. I'm just saying there appears to be a specific situation where one side has betted the opposite of the other.

    I understand your point, and this is what NPHET is meant to do.
    What I suggest could happen is that in 3-4 weeks NPHET will recommend level 5 and the government will say: no, thank you. Not sure how likely this is but theoretically it is a possibility. That's why in the end of my post I mentioned that it will be interesting to see what happens in 3-4 weeks.
    I just hope that the situation becomes more stable and level 5 can be off the table.


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    #9784
    topper75
    Registered Users Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭topper75


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Haha this man is a ranting lunatic.

    The public realise now his only purpose is to lighten the mood.

    Hes not the only one to loose credibility during Covid

    https://www.thejournal.ie/readme/covid-19-circuit-break-5225075-Oct2020/

    Some article for a med doctor. Big on fear and ideology.
    I'm sure it was originally full of data and the editor just took it out. :cool:
    Or possibly not.


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    #9785
    average_runner
    Registered Users Posts: 12,851 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    John_Rambo wrote: »
    We can't let the academics make decisions, they've no real practical relevance and only one narrow remit and are there to advice on health matters only. The government governs and has to take in to consideration education, employment and other important things. A lot of politicians have real life experience in business and other professions and are better suited to make decisions like this.




    Most politicians are ex public service, so don't know how the real world works.


    You need people from medical experience and business experience.
    The guy from Trinity is one I would have on the team.
    Some experience person from Food industry.
    An CEO from IT and Accountant Industry.


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    #9786
    average_runner
    Registered Users Posts: 12,851 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Guards not getting any more powers, can only advise you about guidelines, they have no legal basis to stop you crossing the county border or doing what you want in your own home.




    They shouldn't need the powers. We are big enough ourselves to get these numbers down.


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    #9787
    average_runner
    Registered Users Posts: 12,851 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    The extra bank holiday is a smart idea. Takes the pressure off the public transport system at xmas


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    #9788
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users Posts: 28,171 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    average_runner wrote: »
    They shouldn't need the powers. We are big enough ourselves to get these numbers down.

    I'm all for personal responsibility. I should be heading to level 1 only now thrown into level 3 with no idea how to get back. The Government were very wrong to punish places that did the right thing. They've completely lost people in those county's now.


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    #9789
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users Posts: 8,378 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    average_runner wrote: »
    The extra bank holiday is a smart idea. Takes the pressure off the public transport system at xmas

    Tony H hasnt a notion of allowing the nation an extra bank holiday.


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    #9790
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users Posts: 28,171 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    average_runner wrote: »
    The extra bank holiday is a smart idea. Takes the pressure off the public transport system at xmas

    Employers already struggling have to foot the bill for letting staff off now on one of the busiest days of the year in retail.
    If this happens it just shows what kind of clowns are in charge.


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    #9791
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,715 ✭ [Deleted User]


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    It was renewed for public transport. I haven't seen anything renewing it for shops.

    https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/health/covid19/face_coverings_during_covid19

    Its confirmed here.
    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Haha this man is a ranting lunatic.

    The public realise now his only purpose is to lighten the mood.

    Hes not the only one to loose credibility during Covid

    https://www.thejournal.ie/readme/covid-19-circuit-break-5225075-Oct2020/

    He is exactly right, going to level 3 was a cop out and will do more damage by dragging everything out for much longer when we do eventually go to level 5.


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    #9792
    average_runner
    Registered Users Posts: 12,851 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Employers already struggling have to foot the bill for letting staff off now on one of the busiest days of the year in retail.
    If this happens it just shows what kind of clowns are in charge.




    It will actually encourage people to take more days off from work that week, instead of carrying days over and costing the company more in forecasting the following year.!!!


    As for Retail, most shopping will be done before December this year as people will not leave it to chance. Most will be done online by majority, Symths online had to stop yesterday due to the demand


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    #9793
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »
    https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/health/covid19/face_coverings_during_covid19

    Its confirmed here.



    He is exactly right, going to level 3 was a cop out and will do more damage by dragging everything out for much longer when we do eventually go to level 5.

    Noxx, what would you chose, saving 1 life of an 80 year old man or saving 100,000 jobs?


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    #9794
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users Posts: 28,171 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »
    https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/health/covid19/face_coverings_during_covid19

    Its confirmed here.


    It hasn't go look at the law.


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    #9795
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,715 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    Noxx, what would you chose, saving 1 life of an 80 year old man or saving 100,000 jobs?

    Saving a life obviously.


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    #9796
    average_runner
    Registered Users Posts: 12,851 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    I'm all for personal responsibility. I should be heading to level 1 only now thrown into level 3 with no idea how to get back. The Government were very wrong to punish places that did the right thing. They've completely lost people in those county's now.




    Where is that?


    How do we stop the other counties from coming to your place where they could increase the spread of the virus?


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    #9797
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »
    https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/health/covid19/face_coverings_during_covid19

    Its confirmed here.



    He is exactly right, going to level 3 was a cop out and will do more damage by dragging everything out for much longer when we do eventually go to level 5.

    By confirmed, do you mean not mentioned at all in the actual legislation??

    2. These Regulations shall remain in operation until the 5th day of October 2020.


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    #9798
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »
    Saving a life obviously.

    So you think that 100,000 people who will lose jobs from your choice will go on with their lives just fine?


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    #9799
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users Posts: 28,171 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    average_runner wrote: »
    It will actually encourage people to take more days off from work that week, instead of carrying days over and costing the company more in forecasting the following year.!!!

    As for Retail, most shopping will be done before December this year as people will not leave it to chance. Most will be done online by majority, Symths online had to stop yesterday due to the demand

    It's madness, it will still be busy at Xmas, driving everyone online is a fantastic idea, I hope there's still a country worth saving next year.


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    #9800
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users Posts: 8,378 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    It's madness, it will still be busy at Xmas, driving everyone online is a fantastic idea, I hope there's still a country worth saving next year.

    Its going to be interesting.

    There is going to be a chasm of a divide among the working class.

    Those in public sector who will likely have pay rises this year vs the private sector who's job losses are among the worst in Europe.

    Covid is a bit like Gout, its a rich man's disease in Ireland


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    #9801
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Its going to be interesting.

    There is going to be a chasm of a divide among the working class.

    Those in public sector who will likely have pay rises this year vs the private sector who's job losses are among the worst in Europe.

    Covid is a bit like Gout, its a rich man's disease in Ireland

    Fintan I am sure you saw it, but listen to 8:10 onward



    That normal life that we all crave for. And yet no mass graves in Stockholm...


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    #9802
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users Posts: 8,690 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Its going to be interesting.
    There is going to be a chasm of a divide among the working class.
    Those in public sector who will likely have pay rises this year vs the private sector who's job losses are among the worst in Europe.
    Covid is a bit like Gout, its a rich man's disease in Ireland

    Public sector doesn't generate wealth so when all the private sector jobs dry up and less taxes are paid all round then who pays for all the pay rises they keep getting?


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    #9803
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    Posts: 24,715 ✭ [Deleted User]


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Employers already struggling have to foot the bill for letting staff off now on one of the busiest days of the year in retail.
    If this happens it just shows what kind of clowns are in charge.

    Retail never closes for Bank holidays. People who are off are more likley to go to shops if they have a day off thus it should help retail not the opposite.

    Personably it wont make much difference to me, I always finish up for Christmas well before the 22nd, looking at the way days are falling this year I'll probably finish on the 18th.


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    #9804
    TRANQUILLO
    Registered Users Posts: 453 ✭✭TRANQUILLO


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    Fintan I am sure you saw it, but listen to 8:10 onward



    That normal life that we all crave for. And yet no mass graves in Stockholm...

    Im loving that talk radio channel too.

    Im wondering though are they just purveyors of common sense with balanced reportage or will other posters contention be that the youtube algorithm got me pegged as a right wing brexit loving Farage fellating immigrant hating anti mask gammon.


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    #9805
    Hand in Your Pants
    Closed Accounts Posts: 165 ✭✭Hand in Your Pants


    Can someone tell me when we started referring to doctors and healthcare professionals as "medics"? Before the pandemic the only time I ever heard this term was in war movies. Is it all part and parcel of the "front line" gibberish and war against an invisible enemy nonsense that many people have bought into?


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    #9806
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users Posts: 28,171 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »
    Retail never closes for Bank holidays. People who are off are more likley to go to shops if they have a day off thus it should help retail not the opposite.

    If they don't close the staff are entitled to extra pay or a day off in lou. I'll let you know on the 23rd if it was a good idea. As it is i'm not seeing the benefit.


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    #9807
    Assetbacked
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭Assetbacked


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Haha this man is a ranting lunatic.

    The public realise now his only purpose is to lighten the mood.

    Hes not the only one to loose credibility during Covid

    https://www.thejournal.ie/readme/covid-19-circuit-break-5225075-Oct2020/

    He is one of the biggest gobsh1tes out of all the doomers. He is enojoying the attention he gets far too much but the reason he is used by the media is pure clickbait reasons as they make triggering headlines for pro and anti restrictions groups alike.

    Remember, he is one of the zero-covid dogmatics, equivalent to anti-vaxxer/5g/flat Earth conspiracy loons.

    EDIT: The overwhelming response on The Journal comments is that he is a loon; that is reassuring at least.


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    #9808
    rob316
    Registered Users Posts: 18,053 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    So refreshing to see that Leo is seeing the big picture finally and not succumbing to the pressure of the bleeding hearts. It's only what we have all been saying for months, that there is more to consider than public health, yet we were called heartless and ageist. He said it best "we have to think of the public interest not just covid"


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    #9809
    John_Rambo
    Registered Users Posts: 9,659 ✭✭✭John_Rambo


    average_runner wrote: »
    Most politicians are ex public service, so don't know how the real world works.

    Who told you that?
    average_runner wrote: »
    you need people from medical experience and business experience.

    Well, Leo Varadkar trained as a doctor (with medical experience), Pascal Donohoe is ex Procter & Gamble, Eamon Ryan is an entrepreneur, Coveny was an agriculture adviser and farm manager, McEntee was in Citibank etc... Very few are ex-civil servants.


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    #9810
    Seweryn
    Registered Users Posts: 4,487 ✭✭✭Seweryn


    Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »
    Saving a life obviously.
    So one life saved. And 10 lives lost due to committing suicide as a result.


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    #9811
    Andrewf20
    Registered Users Posts: 3,192 ✭✭✭Andrewf20


    Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »
    Saving a life obviously.

    So are you implying we should have lockdowns every winter to curb deaths?


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