How do you feel about walkers on your land?

Buford T. Justice XIX

bucketybuck wrote: »

The ironic thing is that when I was a kid, the last thing I would have done is go near the farmhouse or yard, cutting across a field or playing up at a fairy fort is one thing but you didn't be annoying the neighbours by wandering around their buildings or yards.

I find it sad that farmers have such a chip on their shoulders about kids playing in a field these days, don't give me that ****e about bulls and dangerous cows, those are just handy excuses and you know it. Its no wonder kids are glued to their phones these days when they can't even go exploring in the fresh air. Travellers and those big hiking groups, sure, gangs like that can **** right off, but a local man out for a wander is doing no harm to anybody.

It was there before you and it will be there long after you.

Just out of curiosity, how many members of the public can wander in around your place of work at any stage, day or night?

Like, they're only going for a wander and not bothering anybody?

joeguevara

bucketybuck wrote: »

The ironic thing is that when I was a kid, the last thing I would have done is go near the farmhouse or yard, cutting across a field or playing up at a fairy fort is one thing but you didn't be annoying the neighbours by wandering around their buildings or yards.

I find it sad that farmers have such a chip on their shoulders about kids playing in a field these days, don't give me that ****e about bulls and dangerous cows, those are just handy excuses and you know it. Its no wonder kids are glued to their phones these days when they can't even go exploring in the fresh air. Travellers and those big hiking groups, sure, gangs like that can **** right off, but a local man out for a wander is doing no harm to anybody.

It was there before you and it will be there long after you.

Kids wandering around unaccompanied on a farm is the reason for those ads in the 80s of a 5 year old going ar5e over t1t into a barrel full of collected rainwater and drowning.

But the argument of it was there before you and will be there long after you is what I will say when I make myself comfortable in some randomers front room. Sure what can they say when I tell them I’m a local man out for a wander.

whisky_galore

Donald Trump wrote: »

Farmer allows hunt to enter his lands. 36 year old woman on horse is told not to jump over a particular bush. Said woman tries it anyway, falls off and tries to sue both farmer and the hunt


https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/news/courts/hunt-accident-horse-riders-loses-high-court-case-against-hunt-and-land-owner-38122293.html


Given that the farmer allowed the hunt to enter, you'd assume that there was a certain amount of goodwill or history to that.........but his goodness left him in the High Court

Anyone who leaves a bunch on horseback, an inherently hazardous activity in itself, on their lands needs their head examined.

Donald Trump

whisky_galore wrote: »

Anyone who leaves a bunch on horseback, an inherently hazardous activity in itself, on their lands needs their head examined.

I agree with you. But the lady who gets permission to ride out her horse and then tries to sue you for something that was completely her own fault would be the same lady who walks across your land with or without permission and sues you because she scratched her arm on a brier trying to get across a gap in a ditch rather than going up to the gate

Paddygreen

ganmo wrote: »

In my experience a single walker is often scouting a route to bring their walking group either next year or the year after.
An inch becomes a mile in no time.

Yeah, and before you know it’s like a pitch invasion. Personally I think land owners should be allowed to set man traps to instill a healthy level of fear into potential trespassers. Spike pits like what the likes of the Viet Cong had.

bucketybuck

Buford T. Justice XIX wrote: »

Just out of curiosity, how many members of the public can wander in around your place of work at any stage, day or night?

Like, they're only going for a wander and not bothering anybody?

The thread is full of this rubbish. I'd bet not a one of you has ever had a kid fall and make a claim on your land, I'd bet you've never had a cow hurt somebody cutting across a field, all the hard men talking about the shooting you'd do, I bet its all just talk to hide that fact that you just don't want people on your field and thats that. Bringing up the odd compo claim that was in the papers and using that as a justification, I'd have more respect for those who just admit they flat out don't want it.

Your place of work, give me a break, there is no comparison between a field in the middle of the countryside and you know it.

I was up home helping the father draw bales during the week, its sad to think that I couldn't have hopped the fence and went for a bit of a walk up the hills without some lad crying about workplace safety just because I was walking across a patch of ground that has been there for millions of years.

Donald Trump

bucketybuck wrote: »

The thread is full of this rubbish. I'd bet not a one of you has ever had a kid fall and make a claim on your land, I'd bet you've never had a cow hurt somebody cutting across a field, all the hard men talking about the shooting you'd do, I bet its all just talk to hide that fact that you just don't want people on your field and thats that. Bringing up the odd compo claim that was in the papers and using that as a justification, I'd have more respect for those who just admit they flat out don't want it.

Your place of work, give me a break, there is no comparison between a field in the middle of the countryside and you know it.

I was up home helping the father draw bales during the week, its sad to think that I couldn't have hopped the fence and went for a bit of a walk up the hills without some lad crying about workplace safety just because I was walking across a patch of ground that has been there for millions of years.

That would say more about your neighbours than the general situation.


Most people wouldn't give a shite about neighbours or people they know. They don't want strangers around.


https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30868240.html

quickbeam

As a kid in the 80s I used to wander fields all the time with my dog. Was generally the edge of cropped fields, I don't remember ever entering any that had animals. Worst we did was my dog stirred up a pheasant whicih flew away.

Feel guilty now. Wouldn't think of doing it now. A combination of a different age, and naievity of the impact we caused, I guess.

Donald Trump

quickbeam wrote: »

As a kid in the 80s I used to wander fields all the time with my dog. Was generally the edge of cropped fields, I don't remember ever entering any that had animals. Worst we did was my dog stirred up a pheasant whicih flew away.

Feel guilty now. Wouldn't think of doing it now. A combination of a different age, and naievity of the impact we caused, I guess.

If you were a local kid and known to the farmer, they probably wouldn't mind. There are people who make mistakes, or don't know if they do something wrong, and if it is pointed out to them they react properly because they don't want to cause trouble. But there are others who don't care. And those are the ones who ruin it for the decent people because the landowner might not have any way of knowing which one a stranger is

Lime Tree Farm

Donald Trump wrote: »

A generation or two ago if a couple of cows broke out and ran into a neighbours garden for an hour, the neighbours would probably be happy that their grass was eaten down and that they got some free fertiliser for the roses.


If it happened now, they'd be happy that they could use a few lumps of shite left lying around as an excuse to get Dermot Bannon in to re-landscape the entire garden and send the bill to the farmer.


If those people left the garden gate open and the cattle went into their garden - the owner of the cattle is liable because you have an obligation to keep your own stock fenced in.

Molly’s Sweet Peas

A handsome young Friesian went walking one day
Into a flower garden she happened to stray
Where roses and tulips were blowing in the breeze
But the pride of Athlacca were Mollies Sweet Peas

She nibbled a pansy, it tasted quite sour
She tried a carnation, it gave her the scour
But then came a beautiful scent on the breeze
And she filled up her belly with Mollies Sweet Peas

Now when she was finished she turned around
Put her tail to the window without any sound
She painted the sill with the greatest of ease
There’s no constipation with Mollies Sweet Peas

The Mollie came out with a frown on her brow
Her prayers rained down on that poor little cow
May your back be tormented and eaten by bees
May you die of a colic from eating sweet peas.

May you get every ailment that ever was got
Blackwater, white scour, brucellosis, the lot
May the blood in your veins turn to water and freeze
You villain you gobbled my lovely sweet peas.

The cow wandered home with a bag full of milk
Her coat was glossy and gleaming like silk
She chewed on her cud as she lay at her ease
‘Twas clear she was thriving on Mollies Sweet Peas

Now all you young farmers to you I will say
Don’t bother with dairy-nuts, silage or hay
But smother the country with butter and cheese
By foddering your Friesians with Mollies Sweet Peas

Michael D Ryan, the People’s Poet - 1929-2011

Buford T. Justice XIX

bucketybuck wrote: »

The thread is full of this rubbish. I'd bet not a one of you has ever had a kid fall and make a claim on your land, I'd bet you've never had a cow hurt somebody cutting across a field, all the hard men talking about the shooting you'd do, I bet its all just talk to hide that fact that you just don't want people on your field and thats that. Bringing up the odd compo claim that was in the papers and using that as a justification, I'd have more respect for those who just admit they flat out don't want it.

Your place of work, give me a break, there is no comparison between a field in the middle of the countryside and you know it.

I was up home helping the father draw bales during the week, its sad to think that I couldn't have hopped the fence and went for a bit of a walk up the hills without some lad crying about workplace safety just because I was walking across a patch of ground that has been there for millions of years.

Would you care to answer the question asked? I'll remind you, just in case you forgot.

Just out of curiosity, how many members of the public can wander in around your place of work at any stage, day or night?

Like, they're only going for a wander and not bothering anybody?

I find it rather revealing when a reply ignore the question asked and attempt to drag the discussion in another direction.

NcdJd

Limetree, I think that would be a fitting post to end this broken record of a thread. Lovely poem.

bucketybuck

I find it rather revealing when a reply ignore the question asked and attempt to drag the discussion in another direction.

I find it more revealing when a poster is only interested in petty points scoring than in getting genuine opinions and discussion.

The answer to your question is 72 people, not including under 15's.

Buford T. Justice XIX

bucketybuck wrote: »

I find it more revealing when a poster is only interested in petty points scoring than in getting genuine opinions and discussion.

The answer to your question is 72 people, not including under 15's.

Rather revealing, again.

So none?

And why do you think that is?

Panch18

Pretty simple on our place

Get the f##k out - we don't want you on our land - ever - Don't ever set foot inside our gate again

bucketybuck

Buford T. Justice XIX wrote: »

Rather revealing, again.

So none?

And why do you think that is?

:rolleyes:

Why don't you just clearly state your point instead of trying to play stupid games?

You consider your farm to be your workplace and you don't think anybody should be near it, its ok, you can just come out and say that.

ganmo

There was an ifa meeting in NCD earlier this year where the gardai were asked why couldn't they do anything about tresspassers.
On the way home from that meeting the gardai arrested 3 for trespassing.

thecomedian

bucketybuck wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Why don't you just clearly state your point instead of trying to play stupid games?

You consider your farm to be your workplace and you don't think anybody should be near it, its ok, you can just come out and say that.

But the farm is his workplace and nobody should be on it without permission.

Buford T. Justice XIX

bucketybuck wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Why don't you just clearly state your point instead of trying to play stupid games?

You consider your farm to be your workplace and you don't think anybody should be near it, its ok, you can just come out and say that.

Yes, it's our workplace. And permission can be granted to some members of the public to walk in that workplace, at the owners discretion.

Now, why do you think your workplace doesn't allow the general public to wander around at will there?

You can come out and say it, we'll tell nobody. It'll be our little secret, if you like.

Dinzee Conlee

bucketybuck wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Why don't you just clearly state your point instead of trying to play stupid games?

You consider your farm to be your workplace and you don't think anybody should be near it, its ok, you can just come out and say that.

I don’t want any strangers roaming our place - why would I?

We have a small wood - I have lost count of the times I have asked people not to cut timber out of it, not to shoot in there... our small road is often littered with rubbish thrown out the window of people passing...

You will probably say not all people are like that - and I agree with this.
But I don’t want the hassle or worry of trying to sort the good from bad - so I have a blanket ban on all people.

What I don’t get is why you seem it hard to understand this? This been around for millions of years is rubbish... It’s private property, end of...

K.G.

bucketybuck wrote: »

The thread is full of this rubbish. I'd bet not a one of you has ever had a kid fall and make a claim on your land, I'd bet you've never had a cow hurt somebody cutting across a field, all the hard men talking about the shooting you'd do, I bet its all just talk to hide that fact that you just don't want people on your field and thats that. Bringing up the odd compo claim that was in the papers and using that as a justification, I'd have more respect for those who just admit they flat out don't want it.

Your place of work, give me a break, there is no comparison between a field in the middle of the countryside and you know it.

I was up home helping the father draw bales during the week, its sad to think that I couldn't have hopped the fence and went for a bit of a walk up the hills without some lad crying about workplace safety just because I was walking across a patch of ground that has been there for millions of years.

we have land near a well known monument and the amount of people that s##t on it is unreal.i wouldnt mind a piss and i dont get hung up about it but it just shows you the way people think.if people think they can get away with it they will do anything.never mind the amount of used condoms and other stuff.we have a fine view over the sea and often get people into the yard looking out at it and we take no notice only chat away to them so its not like i m a complete looney about this kind a stuff but you cant ignore what you see either.nobody has the right to go where ever they please either city or country.i would nt go into my neighbours land with out asking permission so how do complete strangers think they can walk wherever they like

John Hutton

Donald Trump wrote: »

I think that rights of access exists to national monuments. I don't know how the upcoming rule changes with respect to registering rights of way might affect those.



If you are doing it yourself regularly and for a purpose, it is likely that you know what you are doing and most people wouldn't have an issue with that. If you scrape your hand on a briar, then you probably aren't going to make any sort of a deal about it. A landowner would be worried about the minority who would decide to go out for a ramble in a field, with their dog and drone, get that scrape and try to sue the landowner for not having erected a "beware of briars" sign.



Sure it was only in the last 10 years or so that lads had to start putting up the signs at gates "warning" people that they were entering a farm. Was there some law change at that time? I can't remember exactly. The signs state the bleedin' obvious, but lads needed to have them up to protect themselves.

There is a "right" of access but its not explicitly set out. In my experience mentioning "right of way" to a farmer is a good way to start an argument :pac:



Insurance thing is an issue, sometimes overstated, but can be solved through legislation. (speaking about access to monuments here).


Then again, farmers (or anyone) should not get carte blanche immunity from liability, a balance (which existed for a long time to be fair) needs to be struck again, only today it needs to be done by law and not relying on people not being pricks.


However, if farmers insist on no access at all for any reason ever it will not be long before we get a right to roam law. It would be an easy campaign to run (particularly on an EU law basis), particularly given that farmers are subsidized by the EU and state to such a degree.



Anyway, as I said I've very rarely had any issue, probably because farmers viewed someone walking across a field to an obvious ruin or monument as "having business to be there" rather than walking across an empty random field.



I also think it would be a good idea to have a GLAS type scheme to promote and pay farmers for providing/facilitating access to ruins etc.

ganmo

John Hutton wrote: »

There is a "right" of access but its not explicitly set out. In my experience mentioning "right of way" to a farmer is a good way to start an argument :pac:



Insurance thing is an issue, sometimes overstated, but can be solved through legislation. (speaking about access to monuments here).


Then again, farmers (or anyone) should not get carte blanche immunity from liability, a balance (which existed for a long time to be fair) needs to be struck again, only today it needs to be done by law and not relying on people not being pricks.


However, if farmers insist on no access at all for any reason ever it will not be long before we get a right to roam law. It would be an easy campaign to run (particularly on an EU law basis), particularly given that farmers are subsidized by the EU and state to such a degree.



Anyway, as I said I've very rarely had any issue, probably because farmers viewed someone walking across a field to an obvious ruin or monument as "having business to be there" rather than walking across an empty random field.



I also think it would be a good idea to have a GLAS type scheme to promote and pay farmers for providing/facilitating access to ruins etc.

The basic payments system allows for enforcement of good animal welfare and good environmental practices at a minimal cost.
It is also voluntary, if public access were to become a part of it god knows how many people would opt out

Panch18

Literally thousands of businesses in Ireland get support from either the EU or the irish government or both so this bull about CAP and people suddenly thinking they have access to your land is just that - absolute bull

Do you think if you walked up to any of the Apple buildings in Ireland and said to the security guards - hey listen i'm an Irish taxpayer and we've given Apple a 13bn subsidy and i now have a right to walk through Apple's premises in Ireland as i chose - do you think you'd get far?

John Hutton

ganmo wrote: »

The basic payments system allows for enforcement of good animal welfare and good environmental practices at a minimal cost.
It is also voluntary, if public access were to become a part of it god knows how many people would opt out

I said a GLAS type scheme

sweet_trip

Looks like I opened a can of worms indeed!

Honestly. I totally am seeing where landowners are coming from.
Theres more to it than just going for a stroll, as many have pointed out, biosecurity, wood cutting, dog ****, upsetting cows, hunting, the list goes on.

It's a lot to contend with. It's just a shame people have little or no respect and think its okay to go off flying drones and bringing their dogs near cattle. And its just a lot for a farmer to have to judge every joe soap on a case by case basis as to what he's up to.

I've always been as respectful as I can when i comes to farms and would avoid any cows/cattle and crops but as i said in my OP that cattle would often spot me a mile off and come running to see what I'm up to. I'd never even open gates, just hop them but maybe that's worse?

I do have a lot of respect for farmers themselves, its an admirable albeit tough job.

I don't agree with the types who would be quick to threaten with guns, but I also don't agree with a large portion of posters in here who act entitled and say "i can go wherever I want the land has been there before you, cows are harmless etc" Most of which seem to have come from the front page and maybe are not rural dwellers or very familiar with farmland.

Anyway, points taken. From now on I'll be much more mindful and next time I bump into one of the women who owns the farm I know I'll ask is it okay to walk up the lane from time to time.

On another note: I'm imagining things vary from place to place. Like a farm that borders a town or city would receive a lot more footfall and trouble than a farm 30km from the nearest shops.

Rosahane

bucketybuck wrote: »

The thread is full of this rubbish. I'd bet not a one of you has ever had a kid fall and make a claim on your land, I'd bet you've never had a cow hurt somebody cutting across a field, all the hard men talking about the shooting you'd do, I bet its all just talk to hide that fact that you just don't want people on your field and thats that. Bringing up the odd compo claim that was in the papers and using that as a justification, I'd have more respect for those who just admit they flat out don't want it.

Your place of work, give me a break, there is no comparison between a field in the middle of the countryside and you know it.

I was up home helping the father draw bales during the week, its sad to think that I couldn't have hopped the fence and went for a bit of a walk up the hills without some lad crying about workplace safety just because I was walking across a patch of ground that has been there for millions of years.

bucketybuck wrote: »

No polite way of saying this, but as a resident stay the **** out of my estate.

sweet_trip

forgottenhills wrote: »

I walk a lot and I have a question for you. Why would you want to walk on farmland in the first place?

Its going to be a short dead end walk at the best of times. With possible downsides of you inadvertently doing some damage to livestock, crops or to yourself. What a boring walk it is to walk around the average field.

If you want a good walk go to the many Coillte forest or mountain walks or coastal walks and walk to your hearts content there. I am always amazed how few people use these facilities. Or if you are in the countryside you can walk the back roads. Or if you are in a city there are many city parks to walk. All of these are available to the public without any necessity to walk around somebody's place of business, which a farm is.

I walk the countryside because I love rural life. I love seeing the buzzards, foxes, pheasants, and all sorts. It's lovely and isolated, I bring an orange with me and a pair of binoculars and might sit under a tree for a rest then continue on my way.

None of the routes I take are dead ends, it's to get from one back road to another, and the laneways connect them or field makes the distance shorter.

And the reason why I do this vs going off to some marked trail is because I don't want to get into a car and drive 40 minutes to walk some poxy soulless coilte spruce forest for my evening or morning walk.

On the contrary, I think fields and rural Ireland is far from boring, it's beautiful.

bucketybuck

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

We have a small wood - I have lost count of the times I have asked people not to cut timber out of it, not to shoot in there... our small road is often littered with rubbish thrown out the window of people passing...

You will probably say not all people are like that - and I agree with this.
But I don’t want the hassle or worry of trying to sort the good from bad - so I have a blanket ban on all people.

But its true, not all people are like that. There is a disconnect in this thread, I am talking about a lad cutting across a field while out for a ramble, the OP is talking about a local guy just out for a walk, but instead of acknowledging that part of country life some people would rather jump straight to complaining about groups causing criminal damage and hypothetical compo claims.

And I do understand the point of not wanting damage done to the land, never said otherwise. I don't agree with any groups of any description going where they please. But I'm not talking about groups, and I just reject the notion that a meadow bordering a bog is no different to a conference room in the Bank of Ireland.

To be clear, I am talking about a field out in the countryside. I would never go near a farmers buildings or equipment, to me that is the point where I would be concerned about potential theft or trespass. Which is why I asked my original question about the practical side of getting permission. I am walking through a lower meadow, to get permission for that I would have to walk through the field up into a farmers yard and hunt around for him, how on earth is that better than just continuing on through the field and then off his land anyway?

If your answer to a local lad asking that question is to never go into the fields in the first place then I think it sad what local communities have come to.

bucketybuck

Rosahane wrote: »

Going back a decade to take an out of context post about people blocking roads in housing estates is just pathetic.

Waffletraktor

bucketybuck wrote: »

Going back a decade to take an out of context post about people blocking roads in housing estates is just pathetic.

This is fake news, your fake news.

Your account is just over 9 years old.

bucketybuck

The state of this thread.

I believe I have tried to give reasoned posts explaining my own honest thoughts on the OP and I stand by my words, hopefully those reading will see past the petty jabs.

Tig98

bucketybuck wrote: »

The thread is full of this rubbish. I'd bet not a one of you has ever had a kid fall and make a claim on your land, I'd bet you've never had a cow hurt somebody cutting across a field, all the hard men talking about the shooting you'd do, I bet its all just talk to hide that fact that you just don't want people on your field and thats that. Bringing up the odd compo claim that was in the papers and using that as a justification, I'd have more respect for those who just admit they flat out don't want it.

Your place of work, give me a break, there is no comparison between a field in the middle of the countryside and you know it.

I was up home helping the father draw bales during the week, its sad to think that I couldn't have hopped the fence and went for a bit of a walk up the hills without some lad crying about workplace safety just because I was walking across a patch of ground that has been there for millions of years.

And if people wandered in off the road, poking around the bales, looking at the machinery you'd be cool with that? You probably wouldn't be long telling them where to go. First and foremost, farms are not safe. It most definitely is a workplace and full of workplace hazards. Cattle, machinery, tools, buildings that would be far from spec, even uneven ground can put out a few ankles. Best keep all that badness away by keeping people out.

Saying the land has been there for millions of years is complete bull****. So has the land your house is built on - the use of it has just changed. Would you allow people roam around your garden and your house?

Letting just anyone walk the land is asking for trouble. I'd have no problem with people I know who have genuine reason - no garden, foraging, etc - not someone looking for a gawk or trying to make trouble, and they ask for permission and we can have a conversation about dangers. Unlike the buffoons who go lamping for rabbits without saying anything to anyone.

longgonesilver

Why do you think that walking in a medow does no harm?

Grass is a crop same as any other. Walking on it damages it.

blue5000

sweet_trip wrote: »

I do a lot of walking in my area. Often I cut across fields for a shortcut or just walk the farm lanes.

I've bumped into two of the farmers while walking the laneways and they never said anything to me. Just drove past in their tractors and I gave them a nod and a wave.

There's another farm complex I've started taking a shortcut across every now and then. Maybe a few times a year. I just hop the fence and walk across 3 grassy fields and try avoid any crops/cattle. Although the cattle sometimes does get excited when they notices me and comes for a gawk and I would be ducking under the odd electric fence. I don't know who this farmer is tbqh.

Would farmers in general be bothered by this? I don't want to be upsetting anybody but I grew up in a different area and always walked the fields and was generally an outdoorsy person so I still do it.

Mod noteThread closed.


Ok OP I think you've got your answer. The general fear in the farming community is that if you 'give an inch people will take a mile'.

PM me if you want to discuss re-opening this thread.