How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

irishblessing

meeeeh wrote: »

It's an observation not a dig. There are people who were very happy during lockdown but that is not a permament solution. And maybe the family members should be then separated from the kids. It's mostly grandparents who are affected.

BTW it's quite clear majority are happy with the school reopening so I would expect them to close first. Neither will majority of workplaces.

Oh come off it. It's quite clearly a dig to say that you can't solve unhappiness people have with their own life by closing things for everyone. Nobody enjoys being afraid, either. No one thinks they can solve their own unhappiness by putting everyone and everything into lockdown. Just because some people took some positive/silver lining from the time in lockdown doesn't mean they're happy to see others and the economy suffer.

Those aren't logical observations, and it says more about you than the people you're trying to put down.

Some grandparents have custody of their grandchildren. Some grandparents are having to fill childcare gaps. Try and imagine what it's like to be in someone else's shoes. It will grow you as a person.

jrosen

I dont know weather I would say people were happy during lock down but I definitely think there are people who would be quite supportive to see everything lock down. I lost count of the comments I have read on line. Constant calls for schools to close, offices to close, retail to close. Ive no idea the profession of those who made those comments either it just struck me because it seemed to be quite a lot.

meeeeh

irishblessing wrote: »

Some grandparents have custody of their grandchildren. Some grandparents are having to fill childcare gaps. Try and imagine what it's like to be in someone else's shoes. It will grow you as a person.

It's not about not being able to imagine in someone else's shoes, it is the fact that you can't tailor how we operate to minority. We try to make it work for majority and then try to accommodate minority differently.

You can make whatever conclusions you want about my character. I have no interest to contradict that.

meeeeh

Smacruairi wrote: »

Exactly. Thanks for understanding the ire. The litany of other options which have been explained in this thread to you and your colleagues should form the backbone of the alternatives. Thanks for agreeing that change is needed.

I don't think any change regarding schools is needed with the exception of stopping public transport if at all possible.

Smacruairi

meeeeh wrote: »

I don't think any change regarding schools is needed with the exception of stopping public transport if at all possible.

Why stopping public transport?

Icyseanfitz

meeeeh wrote: »

No but the same argument could be made that pubs should be closed, all workplaces should be closed and so on. Of course nothing is in isolation but why would you want to limit activities that affect least at risk group first? It's illogical and it's pandering to people who just enjoy being afraid.

It was exciting for some when everything was closed down but you can't solve unhappiness people have with their own life by closing things for everyone.

Children are just as able to spread the virus, so they are not the primary concern with schools staying open, its their families who will suffer for it.

And just to edit this, there are certainly children with high risk additional needs that are at risk and are being completely forgotten about.

Icyseanfitz

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meeeeh wrote: »

I don't think any change regarding schools is needed with the exception of stopping public transport if at all possible.

No change at all to how schools have always operated? Come on, surely you can't be saying that after all the stories that have been told in here from teaching and school staff. It isn't safe at the moment, not one bit.

Teacher2020

My opinion on the matter is that if people want schools to stay open then we all have to make sacrifices to keep them open. We can't have schools open and still keep socialising with every Tom, Dick and Harry at evenings and weekends. I'm sick to the teeth of children and other staff at school talking about their weekend escapades. There are house parties galore going on all over the place. If we want schools to stay open then we have to cut our contacts right back. For the last month, I have stopped all socialising and have limited my contacts to my husband, MIL and FIL.

I am committed to keeping schools open and really don't want them to close. However, it is clear that a lot of people aren't making the sacrifices needed to keep them open. (Based on what I'm hearing in my own school anyways)

Icyseanfitz

https://twitter.com/micheallehane/status/1312835055249772550?s=21

Be interesting to see what comes of this and if it will effect schools in the slightest.

combat14

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

https://twitter.com/micheallehane/status/1312835055249772550?s=21

Be interesting to see what comes of this and if it will effect schools in the slightest.

we have already been told that schools will open / stay open by hook or by crook so probably unlikely.. will be more misery for businesses by the looks of it tho

hopefully a safe vaccine will come soon

indo seem to be saying level 3 for whole country tomorrow so something is on the way ..

rte now have level 5 being recommended too.. crikey ..

deiseindublin

I presume there would be even less class contact time in 3rd level institutes if we went to L4 or L5?

...Ghost...

meeeeh wrote: »

Is recommended advice to close schools? I haven't seen advice like that (except maybe from odd individual but then you also have people suggesting we should let virus rip through younger people).

How can we take Government advice seriously when the the advice is dependent on whether you are in a classroom, or anywhere else?

wirelessdude01

Can foresee a massive standoff tomorrow between government and NPHET. Reporters twitter accounts will be interesting to see how they are being briefed off the record.

Icyseanfitz

combat14 wrote: »

we have already been told that schools will open / stay open by hook or by crook so probably unlikely.. will be more misery for businesses by the looks of it tho

hopefully a safe vaccine will come soon

indo seem to be saying level 3 for whole country tomorrow so something is on the way ..

rte now have level 5 being recommended too.. crikey ..

How the hell will they justify running schools at full numbers and as is at level 5, a large chunk of the public will ignore the rules catch covid give it to their kids who then spread it in school making level 5 redundant straight away.

...Ghost...

deiseindublin wrote: »

I presume there would be even less class contact time in 3rd level institutes if we went to L4 or L5?

They would likely cancel practical classes and labs in third level if we go to level 4

niamh247

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

How the hell will they justify running schools at full numbers and as is at level 5, a large chunk of the public will ignore the rules catch covid give it to their kids who then spread it in school making level 5 redundant straight away.

You see, the logic is simple - if the schools close, parents can't go to work and economy doesn't work and the political reputation of the big boys goes down. This can't be allowed to happen.

Icyseanfitz

niamh247 wrote: »

You see, the logic is simple - if the schools close, parents can't go to work and economy doesn't work and the political reputation of the big boys goes down. This can't be allowed to happen.

If their going to level 5 everyone will be home anyway right

Mrsmum

My logic must be out of step because it seems logical to me that if everything else was closed down ie at level 5, then schools would be more safe rather than less safe being open.

Icyseanfitz

Mrsmum wrote: »

My logic must be out of step because it seems logical to me that if everything else was closed down ie at level 5, then schools would be more safe rather than less safe being open.

Id imagine the goal of level 5 is completely cut contacts between households, full numbers at school is a lovely bridge for that to mean nothing, now if they put a blended plan in place straight away to cut physical numbers in half it would be great.

Coneygree

Schools will stay open as normal under current Level 5 restrictions.

combat14

Mrsmum wrote: »

My logic must be out of step because it seems logical to me that if everything else was closed down ie at level 5, then schools would be more safe rather than less safe being open.

already massive back lash online about closing pubs again let alone schools

ppl are sick of the rug rats at home it is time for them to stay in school now for the winter no matter what ..

Smacruairi

So if we go to level 5,will people finally admit that schools had to have been driving force. I mean Dublin has been on level 3 for 2 weeks already like.

Icyseanfitz

Smacruairi wrote: »

So if we go to level 5,will people finally admit that schools had to have been driving force. I mean Dublin has been on level 3 for 2 weeks already like.

Well they certainly won't have any more excuses if numbers keep rising and schools are kept as normal

combat14

by all accounts will be war between the govt and NPHET over this ..

niamh247

Coneygree wrote: »

Schools will stay open as normal under current Level 5 restrictions.

Yes, because the the Levels and rules are defined in such a way to safeguard the reputation of the govt by keeping their promise to reopen the schools, doesn't matter what may come. We have our heads in sand.

Smacruairi

combat14 wrote: »

by all accounts will be war between the govt and NPHET over this ..

Which, to be fair, reflects every single discussion on covid on boards so.

Mrsmum

combat14 wrote: »

already massive back lash online about closing pubs again let alone schools

ppl are sick of the rug rats at home it is time for them to stay in school now for the winter no matter what ..

My point wasn't endorsing level 5 being a good thing, just that logically everything closed makes schools safer than for instance now.
Personally I think for the sake of the economy and for schools, people need to cop on and behave way better than they are doing. And at the same time we are going to have to with with the damn thing because it will be a long time before before a vaccine is created, gone through all the checks and then distributed worldwide.

Mrsmum

Duplicate post.

Higgins5473

Mrsmum wrote: »

Personally I think for the sake of the economy and for schools, people need to cop on and behave way better than they are doing.

Who are “people”? Honest question, Irish people? Or people who are in and out of our open airports and uncontrolled northern border which has separate policy with an exceptionally high infection rate? Who is “people”?

Higgins5473

Mrsmum wrote: »

Personally I think for the sake of the economy and for schools, people need to cop on and behave way better than they are doing.

Who are “people”? Honest question, Irish people? Or people who are in and out of our open airports and uncontrolled northern border which has separate policy with an exceptionally high infection rate? Who is “people”?