Are there any credible conspiracy theories?

Fighting Tao

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119651353#Comment_119651353

Surely you can find papers about lab leeks. Leeks have been a culinary delight for many people.

yourdeadwright

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119651387#Comment_119651387

You can find papers as to why it looks like a lab leek & as to why it doesn't look like nature,

But a lab leek is like a break in if you will ,you need actually physically evidence , The 2 year hold up from China means i don't think we will ever confirm what happened,

bad2thebone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119651403#Comment_119651403

They have built a block of skyscrapers faster than two years.

I'm sure if there was any evidence of a lab leak it's incinerated.

robinph

So in conclusion, the best conspiracies that theorists have for credible one's are 9/11 being caused by super secret nazis, or covid being a lab leak which the EU is behind keeping it secret.

All the while they seem to have missed a conspiracy to defraud NY authorities of money that was carried out by a former US president.

So there are no credible theories from CTers, but plenty of conspiracies happening around them which they are oblivious to for some reason.

Fighting Tao

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119651403#Comment_119651403

Whoosh. The joke went right over your head. To help you get it, a ‘leek’ is a food. The word you are looking for is ‘leak’.

yourdeadwright

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119651483#Comment_119651483

If there obvious are they conspiracy's ? 😂

Fighting Tao

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119651468#Comment_119651468

Or maybe there was no evidence.

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119651483#Comment_119651483

It's usually a case of them not liking the government, China, health experts or pointy headed elite experts in general. Then an event happens and as everything that happens has to revolve around their outlook on life, they then shoe horn these people into the event in some ridiculous game of mad libs.

robinph

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119651550#Comment_119651550

Who would have thought that we'd be adding the word "conspiracy" to the list of words that are not understood around here?

yourdeadwright

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119651697#Comment_119651697

I'm joking

bad2thebone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119651552#Comment_119651552

How could there be evidence if it was a lab leak or not. If it's covered in concrete and all the paperwork is burnt. The evidence is gone, that's of course if it was a lab leak.

We don't know yet.

Tonesjones

The WHO themselves said as recently as June that a lab theory can't be ruled out.

Are they conspiracy theorists too

Fighting Tao

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119652162#Comment_119652162

I was countering the argument that it was a lab leak. We don’t know for sure, but that doesn’t stop people claiming that it was.

robinph

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119652211#Comment_119652211

No, because they are not also suggesting that the details are being suppressed because the likes of the EU might stop funding other labs or that it was planned all along by some shaddowy group.

bad2thebone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119652298#Comment_119652298

There's no point in claiming anything until there's definitive proof. It's a conspiracy at the moment, but then again so are other options until they find out the truth.

Sometimes I just want to **** off to a self sufficient community and get away from it all. Nobody's stopping me, but there's going to be someone in charge and I'd be clashing head's with the bastard. Oppositional to the last, FFS will I ever tow the line Tao .

bad2thebone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119652211#Comment_119652211

"It's not unusual" for there to be a conspiracy theorist within the who too.

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119653826#Comment_119653826

They also aren't basing their opinions and conclusions of things they see on youtube and read on twitter.

sydthebeat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119654143#Comment_119654143

There's no point in claiming anything until there's definitive proof.

The most ironic post ever made on the conspiracy theory forum

LOL

bad2thebone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119654429#Comment_119654429

Like a free ride when you've already paid, yeah I get ya:)

Tonesjones

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119654155#Comment_119654155

Huh?

2 for 3 spacewalks

bad2thebone

Tom Jones, it's not unusual....

Just a bit of banter, that's all

"You can't claim anything until there's definitive proof" followed by an unproven claim that the WHO contains CTists.

On the wind up, lads.

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119652298#Comment_119652298

The first cases in Wuhan didn't happen at the Huanan seamarket, but rather were spread by people who already had the disease and visited the market. It's well known if you did a little research. 

If a leak occurs from a Chinese laboratory, it will probably be covered up anyway, they cannot contain it and they are unlikely to admit that something went wrong. China may face legal action if they admit the truth. Covid 19 went global, making a big mess for them. 

There are those in disease science who believe Covid 19 is due to a Zoonotic origin. Speculate on this. Since it was reported early on that bats not sold in this market, they started speculating on the crossover animal. There hasn't been one crossover animal sold at on the market has tested positive for COVID 19.  

The lab leak makes sense. They were messing around with bats and taking samples to store. It's not crazy that some lab scientists engineered covid 19 samples to see how it would perform if spread in humans and find a cure for that. It's always a risk, but don't think we're claiming a lab leak is sinister. Maybe it was bad controls, or some equipment went bad, or sloppy human handling.  

JL555

Might already have been mentioned on here but those Covid camps in Australia for the non vaccinated were considered the paranoid ravings of conspiracy nuts until,...... it was discovered that they did indeed exist.

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119644549#Comment_119644549

The collapse is in dispute, so we have a right to speculate about who did it. In some schools, basic outlines of what happened with the official narratives are taught. The mechanisms of the building seven collapse haven't been studied by any school or university, find one,show the link and studies done? Don't you find it strange that we have never studied the first time a fire has destroyed a tall steel frame building in history?

You need to do a serious investigation if the progressive collapse scenario turns out to be faulty. Just because it's an official study doesn't mean it's true. Truthers even have the blueprints that show NIST deliberately removed shear studs and stiffeners plates from the girder that came off its seat and collapsed the floors. It would all be solved if there was an honest debate in court, and both sides could show their evidence. 

Even though we have celebrity show trials on TV, it's hard to get a deeper understanding of big things in history. Just from an engineering standpoint, don't believe the conspiracy angle fine, but it would be nice to get both sides in the same room and see who has the best arguments for why seven collapsed. 

The mess NIST made here actually supports the theory that some groups knew 9/11 was coming and preplanned to destroy buildings and use it for their agenda. Fact went to such great lengths to get the building collapsed, lied about it, and invented something new like no one's ever done before. Remember, this is the first failure in history to happen the way NIST claims, so if you're caught lying about the engineering and freefall, you're not telling the truth. 

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119657174#Comment_119657174

Right, in your personal conspiracy, who planted the bombs? the Nazis, the Jews, the Arabs..

According to me, secret bombs were planted by.. *spins wheel*.. migrant workers, can you prove they didn't? Do you have video evidence from the buildings to prove it wasn't migrant workers planting the stuff during off office hours?

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119657251#Comment_119657251

In all honesty, I don't know. Since I believe there is a good case for controlled demolition least for building seven, the people involved would have to have had access to it seven weeks before 9/11. 

In the case of the towers, who could have brought in some military grade nanothermite and placed it around the steel to do its thing at top of towers? For terrorists in Afghanistan wearing 2000 year old clothes, that's pretty sophisticated material. Who use the events later neocons and Isreal ( there suspects)

 You gotta keep an open mind on it. Still on page fire caused the collapse, so suspect speculation isn't something you consider. 

Since the country wasn't in panic mode on 9/11, I don't see why this is a crazy theory. We know the mainstream accepts this first time in history fire managed to bring down a steel framed building. If the official study is messing up here, it means they're trying to hide something deeper. NIST might have been scared to think about that after 9/11 with all the nationalism around the terrorist attack. Is it better to lie and walk away than bring up controlled demolition and scare people? 

  

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119657499#Comment_119657499

Since I believe there is a good case for controlled demolition least for building seven, the people involved would have to have had access to it seven weeks before 9/11. 

This is called appeal to motive. You've started with this and worked backwards to create a story to fit your motive. It's how most conspiracy theories work.

I don't see why this is a crazy theory

Neither do those who think holographic planes or mini-nukes or "secret silent explosives" blowing up buildings in the middle of NY were involved.

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119657534#Comment_119657534

There's something to the nanothermite theory because workers on site reported extreme temperatures under the rubble for weeks and months. It was ignored that the steel fell on top of each other, causing extreme heat? I don't think that adds up, since other buildings partially collapsed and extreme heat pockets never found. 

Streams of yellow/red liquid ran through the rubble. Melting steel caused by a controlled demolition is unlikely. Nanothermite would probably weaken steel connections after that structure unsound?

Millions of iron spheres were in the rubble. Pure iron spheres are made from thermite. Excuses that it came from steel banging are a bit suspect because sparks are caused by that. It was very unusual to see pure iron balls in the dust. Then, at one side of the tower building, there was this yellow liquid pouring out. It was like a foundry melting in that area. 

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119657569#Comment_119657569

Lol but the last time you brought this point up you ran away because you snookered yourself. You posted a study you believed was gospel proof right up until it was pointed out that it showed there was a missing byproduct of a thermite reaction. It proved that your thermite theory was impossible.

Did you just edit that part out of your reality? Or are you just chancing your arm and hoping mo one would remember your embarrassment?

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119657569#Comment_119657569

There's nothing that isn't put forward by some conspiracy theorist.

Conspiracy theorists believe first, then manufacture evidence to fit their belief.

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119658499#Comment_119658499

RJ Lee did a mainstream dust study and found that 6% of the weight of the dust from the WTC towers was iron microspheres. They call it a signature event. Researchers drew attention to the strangeness of finding pure iron in dust collected in such quantities. Iron melts at 1500 celcius. 

Many debunkers dismiss the nano thermite theory, but Neil Harrit's study on the red/gray chip found in the dust explains why so many were found. When he burned some red/grey chips at low temperatures compared to typical thermite reactions, all the iron spheres appeared. It's also worth noting that NIST's highest temperature inside the the towers building never went over 1000 degrees. 

These mainstream studies and truther studies give a lot of clues about how the conspirators pulled this off. Instead of months to rig up the entire building they brought in a chemical grade explosive nanothermite and applied it to the steel structure to get it to fail. There were rivers of yellow/red liquid at ground zero because of the extreme heat. It looks like the steel also had sharp edges and bits ripped out, which FEMA says is an unusual occurrence. There were all these little signs that some chemical had been used to collapse the towers.  

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119658746#Comment_119658746

A quick Google of the iron microspheres makes it pretty clear that it's not remotely unusual. The smaller the metals are reduces the melting point. Eg it's possible to melt rust with a lighter. So everything from wiring to rust and anything low density would easily melt at low temperatures.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119658746#Comment_119658746

If I ask you for the strongest alternative theory out there, you can't provide any. You'll utter something about magic explosives or secret Nazis at best. It's a complete nothing burger. Just a choose-your-own-adventure hobby.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119659132#Comment_119659132

CS is currently trying to bait you into a circular "argument" on iron microspheres and whatology.

It's what all 9/11 truthers do, drag you down into granular details on technical aspects which they then "don't get", therefore conspiracy. Essentially luring people into proving something to them they'll never accept. All they do is fine-tune those mental gymnastics over the years.

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119658746#Comment_119658746

But the RJ Lee study disproves your thermite theory. You ran away from this in the previous thread you brought it up in.

The RJ Lee study stated that the iron microspheres were caused by melting. They were not the result of reduction which would be the case if they were the byproduct of a thermite reaction.

It's also not possible for them to find pure iron microsphere as iron oxidises on contact with air. You are simply lying there.

Similarly the RJ Lee study did not detect any aluminum oxide, which is the other byproduct of a thermite.

So the study proves that there can't have been thermite at the WTC.

You threw a tantrum and abandoned the previous thread because you could not address any of these points.

You snookered yourself because you posted that study and declared it was infallible gospel. But you didn't realise how it was actually disproving your nonsense before it was too late.

This happens with every rabbit hole you throw out.

If any point is chased down it always ends in embarrassment for you. It always ends with points and questions you can't answer or counter. And it always ends with you ignoring, tantruming and running away instead of answering things.

And yet, you pretend none of this happens. You pretend you weren't shown to be wrong. You ignore how you were upset by all of this. And you just respew out the same shite expecting people to fall for it.

And this is supposed to be a thread where you show the PLAUSIBLE conspiracy theories.

Keeping going man. You're making an excellent point for us.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119656146#Comment_119656146

No, sweetie.....it's you who doesn't understand the word ignore. You're the one who claimed to be putting me on ignore, then kept responding to my posts.

I've zero interest in getting into a pm argument with an Internet hardman like yourself. Especially one so adept at dodging questions and throwing their toys out of the pram when things don't go their way.

You've been shown up as the hypocritical charlatan you are, and your response to that was to start throwing your weight around and challenging people to "sort it out by pm", whatever the fcuk that means.

Cringeworthy nonsense.

Tonesjones

Chemtrails.

Who is spraying them and why

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119660040#Comment_119660040

We'd had a few in here over the years and they can never answer this properly, but will swear blind it's happening.

Dr. Bre

Crop Circles - who’s behind them?

bad2thebone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119660108#Comment_119660108

A lot of circles cropping up here, but they're not germinating or producing anything of note .

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119659132#Comment_119659132

Iron microspheres found here are elemental iron, so that alone means it never came off the steel. There are other elements in steel, it's a mixed alloy.

Another argument was put forward on here, that sparks came from the steel hitting steel, but that doesn't hold up. Sparks don't produce Iron microspheres. 

Mick West often confuses iron oxide spheres with iron microspheres. He does this with other topics in the conspiracy field too, and then ignores evidence refuting his claims. 

 430 Celsius is the reaction temperature for red/grey chips, but 900 Celsius for commercial thermite. Based on the size of particles in a nano-composite substance, reaction rate and energy, found nanothermite. In addition, there seems to be gas released after the reaction happens, which might explain why the towers burst open like a mushroom cloud? It was the gas building up with the fire caused it?. 

They're testing the material to use in new types of explosives, it's not theoretical or science fiction. These nanocomposites have gone off at this temperature before in tests.. 

Lighter has ferrocerium and yes may produce Iron oxide spheres. Very low factor of probability for this event anyhow resulting in Iron microspheres because 6 percent of weight of dust had Elemental Iron so something inside towers produced enough heat to produce millions of these iron microspheres. 

What trying to explain is the high amount in the dust Proton.  Very extreme heat that melted workers' boots that's weird! With only paper and wood and low fire burning materials present, it's hard to explain how this heat lasted so long under rubble? There's little chance of jet oil fires or any of these theories making sense since all official collapse studies say the towers never reached above 1000 Celcius.

These red/grey chips have thermite ingredients at nanoscale. This explains a lot of anomalies here found after the towers fell. Steel just lost strength and connections snapped would not cause extreme heat pockets for weeks, eating through thick grains of steel and have look like swiss cheese (hardly), the pockets of yellow/red liquid, that's all signs of some chemical attack happened.

Nanothermite explains how they did this without a lot of manpower and industrial work for weeks. We also have the Iron microspheres appear as byproduct on the chips after burning. Another byproduct, Aluminium Oxide, disperses and disappears almost like aerosol (like white smoke) which was seen in many photos.; A piece of steel was ejected sideways when the tower collapsed, and it had a white smoke trail coming off it. 

A week later after 9/11 the Anthrax attacks started.  In the end, this turned out to be some anthrax developed in a military lab, not in a basement somewhere. It's pretty likely conspirators took material from US labs and used it for this separate attack. Nanocomposites/explosive materials and anthrax are highly likely removed by same team before 9/11. 

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119663330#Comment_119663330

As I predicted

Truthers started with explosives but then realised explosions make loud booms, so they changed their story to silent burning "nano" or "super" thermite (which isn't used by the demolition industry to take down buildings because it's completely absurd but hey the truthers need a magic "something" to explain their CD idea). Not to mention, explosives or demolition charges or silent explosives or any of that make utterly no sense of course in context of fuel-laden airliners striking buildings but of course none of this is based on any sort of reason, logic or proper evidence.

CS borrowed that creative fiction to write their own, namely that boxes of this stuff were left around the office, wirelessly connected, took only a few people to rig up multiple skyscrapers, not a single witness, leak or suspect. All of which was pulled off completely perfectly by Nazis and Jews and the US president (and a whole host of other characters who change depending on which month it is)

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119663398#Comment_119663398

Check your facts on that thermite early part of 20th century was used in cutting steel put into buildings. It became obsolete due to better explosives coming out that can be used. 

Truthers talked about theories but never found any evidence until they found these weird red/grey chips in WTC dust. You're manipulating the facts for your own post. Now we have evidence of something that shouldn't be there.

Why would they need to be wirelessly set off? Its a composite that reacts to heat. There would be a fire caused by planes hitting buildings, your source of heat!!

Is every covert US military operation carried out in foreign countries known to the public because of leaks? You think everything gets out, but it doesn't.  

Fighting Tao

Truthers is such a strange word to use. Bullshitters is far more accurate.

robinph

So which building was the fourth plane aimed for in this conspiracy? Presumably that building would be riddled with these super secret nano nazi explosives as well and setup waiting for the last plane to hit it as cover for them then demolishing it.

Is that still rigged up, or did they also manage to sneak in post 9/11 and remove all the explosives?

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119663878#Comment_119663878

Nanothermite was only used for Twin towers destruction.

Was a controlled implosion for WTC7. 

We dont know all we know was heading to Washington 4th plane. 

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119663814#Comment_119663814

You claimed they were wirelessly set off.

Why do you keep changing your own story? It's like a child caught in a lie.

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119663935#Comment_119663935

Nope. You claimed that nanothermite was also used in building 7. You need this to be so to explain the silent explosions remember.

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119663330#Comment_119663330

Yup. Ranting and dodging and ignoring of points and back to your weird obsession with this Mick West guy.

Also again it's literally impossible for there have been purely elemental iron spheres with no iron oxide in them. Elemental iron oxidizes in contact with air.

The fact you don't know this and don't understand this is the perfect demonstration that you're talking out of your ass when you're ranting about chemistry.