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Laura Whitmore - British Army

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    #122
    ToTheSea
    Registered Users Posts: 36 ✭ToTheSea


    Bowie wrote: »
    I think she's referring to 'more women in the army' etc. And not acknowledging the Hume/BA promo connection or criticism.

    Yeah, spot on.
    Like I said before the topic discussed in the podcast is a good one. That is not the issue for pretty much all of the legitimate criticism I've seen directed at her. Obviously the abuse she got is unacceptable.

    The issue seems for people (that I've seen anyway) is she as Irishwomen getting paid to take part in a promo for the BA and not acknowledging in any way that it has come across as very insensitive to people on this side of the Irish sea given how touchy a subject the BA is here.

    She should have known better to get involved with anything to do with the BA given her profile.

    A good discussion was had about the topic on TodayFM yesterday


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    #123
    CtevenSrowder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭CtevenSrowder


    ToTheSea wrote: »
    Yeah, spot on.
    Like I said before the topic discussed in the podcast is a good one. That is not the issue for pretty much all of the legitimate criticism I've seen directed at her. Obviously the abuse she got is unacceptable.

    The issue seems for people (that I've seen anyway) is she as Irishwomen getting paid to take part in a promo for the BA and not acknowledging in any way that it has come across as very insensitive to people on this side of the Irish sea given how touchy a subject the BA is here.

    She should have known better to get involved with anything to do with the BA given her profile.

    A good discussion was had about the topic on TodayFM yesterday

    It's only a touchy subject for the brain dead who want to live in the past.


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    #124
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    CtevenSrowder wrote: »
    It's only a touchy subject for the brain dead who want to live in the past.


    People you disagree with are brain dead. Very clever.


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    #125
    Whereisgalway
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,470 ✭✭✭Whereisgalway


    She deserves the criticism, ya can’t have it both ways, she’s money & fame mad. Like all z list irish celebrities/influencers she seems to get a pass from the Irish media


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    #126
    Errashareesh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 572 ✭✭✭Errashareesh


    Prior to this ill advised comment (which I believe was just down to her being a bit thick rather than trying to offend) I saw her as completely harmless and bland though. Don't understand "hate" towards her. Hate for what? That she's pretty and a TV presenter?

    "Media whore"? She... works in the media.

    There is a hatred of some TV personalities for the sake of it. Kathryn Thomas is another one. Totally inoffensive.


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    #127
    Feisar
    Registered Users Posts: 6,673 ✭✭✭Feisar


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    An awful gowl and always was

    I met her on a night out once, seemed very sound tbh.

    First they came for the socialists...



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    #128
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users Posts: 16,583 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Errashareesh wrote: »
    Prior to this ill advised comment (which I believe was just down to her being a bit thick rather than trying to offend) I saw her as completely harmless and bland though. Don't understand "hate" towards her. Hate for what? That she's pretty and a TV presenter?

    "Media whore"? She... works in the media.

    There is a hatred of some TV personalities for the sake of it. Kathryn Thomas is another one. Totally inoffensive.

    KT is a bit shouty sometimes probably without even realising it but yeah harmless enough apart from that.


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    #129
    Errashareesh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 572 ✭✭✭Errashareesh


    Feisar wrote: »
    I met her on a night out once, seemed very sound tbh.
    Yeah I think that person just posted that comment for the sake of saying something. There doesn't appear to be any thought contained therein.


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    #130
    James Brown
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    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    KT is a bit shouty sometimes probably without even realising it but yeah harmless enough apart from that.

    She's your average bland presenter you get in Ireland. Never got the problem. Inoffensive as the man said.


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    #131
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,124 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    CtevenSrowder wrote: »
    It's only a touchy subject for the brain dead who want to live in the past.




    Define "the past", if you would.


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    #132
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 14,719 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Odhinn wrote: »
    Define "the past", if you would.

    Well, we can start at the 800 years.. blah blah blah myth.


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    #133
    DublinWriter
    Registered Users Posts: 9,557 ✭✭✭DublinWriter


    The dialogue around a Untied Ireland should be way more nuanced that a few Shinnerbots getting royally triggered over an Irish B-List celeb being hired to do a recruitment video for the British Army.


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    #134
    UDAWINNER
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    Wait until November when she and other "Irish" have their poppies supporting the murdering scum that is the british army. West brits the lot of them and some that live on this island and some that post on this site will wear theirs.


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    #135
    James Brown
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    DublinWriter wrote: »
    The dialogue around a Untied Ireland should be way more nuanced that a few Shinnerbots getting royally triggered over an Irish B-List celeb being hired to do a recruitment video for the British Army.

    It is.
    You've obviously not read up on this.


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    #136
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    CtevenSrowder wrote: »
    It's only a touchy subject for the brain dead who want to live in the past.

    Are the people seeking some degree of 'justice' for a child who was shot twice in the back 'brain dead'?

    majella-o-hare-1-225x300.jpg

    are the families seeking justice for the execution of their loves ones 'brain dead'?

    'Brain dead' indeed.


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    #137
    Errashareesh
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    The British army caused a lot of hurt to people in the North in recent times. Folk would do well to bear this in mind. Just because people in the Republic didn't experience the same, doesn't mean it didn't happen or that it's fair to downplay it/sneer at people's grievances.


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    #138
    whisky_galore
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    People can do whatever the fűck they want with their lives in terms of a career. It's nobody's business but theirs. They can join the BA, Foreign Legion or Russian Navy for all I care.


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    #139
    cameramonkey
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    whisky_galore wrote: »
    People can do whatever the fűck they want with their lives in terms of a career. It's nobody's business but theirs. They can join the BA, Foreign Legion or Russian Navy for all I care.


    I agree and Laura can do her job for the BA in recruitment if she wants. She lives there and seems to think the BA is a good option for young women. She should also realise that some people will not agree with her and she should own the fact that she is a recruiter for the British and not pretend it is about women rights.


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    #140
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,124 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    I agree and Laura can do her job for the BA in recruitment if she wants. She lives there and seems to think the BA is a good option for young women. She should also realise that some people will not agree with her and she should own the fact that she is a recruiter for the British and not pretend it is about women rights.




    Course. Travel the world, kicking down doors, killing and torturing the locals while getting paid for doing so.


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    #141
    selectamatic
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    Odhinn wrote: »
    Course. Travel the world, kicking down doors, killing and torturing the locals while getting paid for doing so.

    They can be very good at it too. Some of the female US soldiers stationed at Abu Ghraib really excelled at their work...


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    #142
    rapul
    Registered Users Posts: 1,038 ✭✭✭rapul


    She's a stupid bitch


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    #143
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users Posts: 16,349 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Odhinn wrote: »
    Course. Travel the world, kicking down doors, killing and torturing the locals while getting paid for doing so.

    Join the Irish Army, see the Curragh, sleep in your own car.


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    #144
    Edgware
    Registered Users Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    whisky_galore wrote: »
    Join the Irish Army, see the Curragh, sleep in your own car.
    That is not a fair account.
    I know that our own Defence Forces arent the most highly paid but there are good opportunities now. If you put in the full service you learn a lot of skills, get overseas duty opportunities etc. I know several that have done so, left with a pension and have developed skills that helped them get further employment.


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    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,101 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    CtevenSrowder wrote: »
    It's only a touchy subject for the brain dead who want to live in the past.


    incorrect, it's a touchy subject for the non-brain dead, modernist modernisers who live in the present and future, who believe that people from a country which was a major victim of the british army, should avoid having anything to do with such an organisation.
    it's a touchy subject for surviving victims and their families and murdered victims families, who have been denied justice.
    DublinWriter wrote: »
    The dialogue around a Untied Ireland should be way more nuanced that a few Shinnerbots getting royally triggered over an Irish B-List celeb being hired to do a recruitment video for the British Army.

    there are no such thing as shinner bots.
    nobody is triggered either, but expressing legitimate criticisms of an irish person having anything to do with an organisation which has a history of brutalisation of her own people up until very recently.
    whisky_galore wrote: »
    Join the Irish Army, see the Curragh, sleep in your own car.

    and once your training is complete, be sent overseas on peace keeping, be world respected.
    the people in the irish army are a billion times the people the irish who join the BA will ever be, and a billion times many of the BA'S own people will ever be, as far as i'm concerned.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #146
    markodaly
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    end of the road wrote: »
    BA will ever be, and a billion times many of the BA'S own people will ever be, as far as i'm concerned.

    Why?

    A guy from Tipp joins the Irish Army is a billion times better then a guy from Hull joins the British Army?

    Jingoistic twaddle.


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    whisky_galore
    Registered Users Posts: 16,349 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Edgware wrote: »
    That is not a fair account.
    I know that our own Defence Forces arent the most highly paid but there are good opportunities now. If you put in the full service you learn a lot of skills, get overseas duty opportunities etc. I know several that have done so, left with a pension and have developed skills that helped them get further employment.

    Yeah great, when lads want out in their droves...


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    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,101 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    markodaly wrote: »
    Why?

    A guy from Tipp joins the Irish Army is a billion times better then a guy from Hull joins the British Army?

    Jingoistic twaddle.

    not automatically, hence i stated some and not all.
    the british army are known all around the world for brutality and deliberate acts of aggression against civilians.
    the irish army are generally mostly well respected and liked and have no history of engaging in any acts of deliberate aggression, when they have to act, it is genuinely in their defence or defence of others.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #149
    jm08
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    markodaly wrote: »
    Why?

    A guy from Tipp joins the Irish Army is a billion times better then a guy from Hull joins the British Army?

    Jingoistic twaddle.

    Mentioning Tipp reminds me of one Tipp man in the BA in Afghanistan who won the Military Cross for bravery in 2012. He wasn't accepted in the Irish Army as he had ashma as a child.
    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/queen-gives-irish-soldier-medal-for-acts-of-bravery-26812693.html

    There have been several recruitment scandals in the British Army over the years. One was that of targetting 16 year old low achievers/troubled kids in their schools (and taking them out of education).

    Seems they have a big problem retaining troops because they are not fighting any wars and they have nothing to do as they are not trained for peacekeeping and with their colonial past, very few countries that would accept them as peacekeepers anyway.


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    #150
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,124 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    markodaly wrote: »
    Why?

    A guy from Tipp joins the Irish Army is a billion times better then a guy from Hull joins the British Army?



    A lad from Tipp isn't going to end up in an unjustified war of aggression, eg Iraq.


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    #151
    Rothko
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    whisky_galore wrote: »
    People can do whatever the fűck they want with their lives in terms of a career. It's nobody's business but theirs. They can join the BA, Foreign Legion or Russian Navy for all I care.

    And people are also free to criticise them too.


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