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Laura Whitmore - British Army

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    #152
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 14,719 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Odhinn wrote: »
    A lad from Tipp isn't going to end up in an unjustified war of aggression, eg Iraq.

    That is a poltiical choice, not the choice of the soldier themself.
    But I have to love the jingoistic superority complex some display about this. My army is better than your army. Playground stuff.


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    #153
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,124 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    markodaly wrote: »
    That is a poltiical choice, not the choice of the soldier themself.
    ...............




    He joined up, given the history of the BA, he's made his choice.


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    #154
    Edgware
    Registered Users Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    whisky_galore wrote: »
    Yeah great, when lads want out in their droves...

    Usual negativity from people who don't know what they are on about


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    #155
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users Posts: 16,349 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Edgware wrote: »
    Usual negativity from people who don't know what they are on about

    Lol.

    Tis all fake news.
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/numbers-leaving-defence-forces-reaches-crisis-proportions-1.4036782?mode=amp


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    #156
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users Posts: 16,349 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Rothko wrote: »
    And people are also free to criticise them too.

    As if they'd take any notice of them.


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    #157
    jm08
    Registered Users Posts: 11,300 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    whisky_galore wrote: »
    Lol.

    Tis all fake news.
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/numbers-leaving-defence-forces-reaches-crisis-proportions-1.4036782?mode=amp


    Easily solved by paying them properly. The problem seems to stem from Government cuts in 2013.


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    #158
    Ash.J.Williams
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    Irish army IT guys are retiring and walking into corporate IT management roles and getting big bucks , they are unreal. They have amazing discipline and skills.


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    #159
    Rothko
    Registered Users Posts: 12,891 ✭✭✭✭Rothko


    whisky_galore wrote: »
    As if they'd take any notice of them.

    Then why does it matter?


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    #160
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 14,719 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Odhinn wrote: »
    He joined up, given the history of the BA, he's made his choice.

    Do you extend the same judgment to SF and IRA members.... we all know their history of murdering babies and toddlers... or are they 'grand fellas'?


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    #161
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    markodaly wrote: »
    Do you extend the same judgment to SF and IRA members.... we all know their history of murdering babies and toddlers... or are they 'grand fellas'?

    So have you moved on from the BA or do they get a pass? Do you accept not everyone admires the BA for valid reasons?
    'Two wrongs don't make a right', right?


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    #162
    Errashareesh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 572 ✭✭✭Errashareesh


    markodaly wrote: »
    Do you extend the same judgment to SF and IRA members.... we all know their history of murdering babies and toddlers... or are they 'grand fellas'?
    Why do people resort to this?

    It's like a thread about the provisional IRA's atrocities and someone coming along and saying "What about the British Army?" It's deflection and whataboutery. And what's with putting words in their mouth? Where has that poster indicated they think the provos are "grand fellas"?

    Why must criticism of the British army mean being grand with the IRA? Can't someone be critical of both?

    I certainly don't think all individual British soldiers are terrible people - I'd say most are decent. And many of them have suffered terribly too. I don't think less of anyone who joins their army.

    But as an organisation, the British army inflicted terrible pain on nationalists in the north of Ireland. Bloody Sunday and internment without trial aren't 50 years ago - it's nothing. The wounds are still raw. Not to mention the day to day intimidation, and the collusion/bias.


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    #163
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 14,719 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Errashareesh wrote: »

    I certainly don't think all individual British soldiers are terrible people - I'd say most are decent. And many of them have suffered terribly too. I don't think less of anyone who joins their army.
    .

    I share the same opinion, but again the reason for this thread is the usual insecure belligerent attitude we have to anything British.

    Laura Whitmore was involved in a campaign to get more women into the British Army, and we have the usual type of people commenting on her as women, blatant misogyny right there, calling her a media whore and elsewhere a bitch..

    Some posters have a history of thinking they are whiter than white, fighters for human rights apparently, but will outright defend atrocities committed by paramilitaries including the murder of women and children because it's for 'the cause'.

    It is blatant hypocrisy. It's used as a cover for xenophobic nationalistic jingoism.

    I would all be for a debate on the British Army and their wrongs, but you will NEVER get a reasoned debate about that on this forum, because of the nationalistic jingoism that accompanies a debate about 'da Brits'.

    It would be like asking for a logical Climate Change debate with Donald Trump, it just ain't going to happen.


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    #164
    Errashareesh
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    Criticism of the British army hardly means having an insecure attitude towards anything British.


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    #165
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    markodaly wrote: »
    I share the same opinion, but again the reason for this thread is the usual insecure belligerent attitude we have to anything British.

    Laura Whitmore was involved in a campaign to get more women into the British Army, and we have the usual type of people commenting on her as women, blatant misogyny right there, calling her a media whore and elsewhere a bitch..

    Some posters have a history of thinking they are whiter than white, fighters for human rights apparently, but will outright defend atrocities committed by paramilitaries including the murder of women and children because it's for 'the cause'.

    It is blatant hypocrisy. It's used as a cover for xenophobic nationalistic jingoism.

    I would all be for a debate on the British Army and their wrongs, but you will NEVER get a reasoned debate about that on this forum, because of the nationalistic jingoism that accompanies a debate about 'da Brits'.

    It would be like asking for a logical Climate Change debate with Donald Trump, it just ain't going to happen.

    You keep saying it is but it's really not.
    It was about Laura tweeting respects to John Hume and then promoting her BA recruitment show. People thought it showed a lack of understanding. Your spin allows you spew bile though right?


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    #166
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 14,719 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Errashareesh wrote: »
    Criticism of the British army hardly means having an insecure attitude towards anything British.

    Not in of itself, but when you hear the same over the top tired arguments, day in day out, year after year, then there is something else going on in the minds of these people then say, justified and rational criticism of the BA.

    Do you think it's justified to call Laura Whitemore a 'Media-whore' or 'a bitch' because of those tweets?


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    #167
    Strazdas
    Registered Users Posts: 18,880 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Bowie wrote: »
    You keep saying it is but it's really not.
    It was about Laura tweeting respects to John Hume and then promoting her BA recruitment show. People thought it showed a lack of understanding. Your spin allows you spew bile though right?

    John Hume would never speak about Laura Whitmore the way the armchair republicans are.

    He was a nationalist, yes, but he was primarily a peacemaker.


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    #168
    JJayoo
    Registered Users Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭JJayoo


    She's hot and that's the real issue we shouldn't forget


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    #169
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Strazdas wrote: »
    John Hume would never speak about Laura Whitmore the way the armchair republicans are.

    He was a nationalist, yes, but he was primarily a peacemaker.

    Yes some people posted some out of order stuff.
    Some Republicans too, likely.

    Doesn't change the initial discussion.


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    #170
    Errashareesh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 572 ✭✭✭Errashareesh


    markodaly wrote: »
    Not in of itself, but when you hear the same over the top tired arguments, day in day out, year after year, then there is something else going on in the minds of these people then say, justified and rational criticism of the BA.

    Do you think it's justified to call Laura Whitemore a 'Media-whore' or 'a bitch' because of those tweets?
    Loaded question. Why on earth would I think it's justified?

    But no, I also criticised things being said about her in previous posts of mine here.


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    #171
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,101 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    markodaly wrote: »
    Do you extend the same judgment to SF and IRA members.... we all know their history of murdering babies and toddlers... or are they 'grand fellas'?

    whataboutery and deflection.
    the british army are agents of the british state, they are representatives of the british state, when they are used they are acting on behalf of the british state and have an obligation to behave themselves.
    the provisional IRA on the other hand were an illegal organisation, all be it came to fruition for good reasons.
    there is no comparison what so ever between an illegal organisation and representative agents of the british state.
    nobody has said that any civilian killings by the IRA were justified, ever.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #172
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,124 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    markodaly wrote: »
    I share the same opinion, but again the reason for this thread is the usual insecure (.......................).

    It would be like asking for a logical Climate Change debate with Donald Trump, it just ain't going to happen.




    The BA were and are an oppressive force, with crimes committed in Asia, the middle east, and Africa.


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    #173
    [Deleted User]
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    Odhinn wrote: »
    The BA were and are an oppressive force, with crimes committed in Asia, the middle east, and Africa.

    You took your time, but you got there in the end.


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    #174
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 26,434 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    markodaly wrote: »
    When are we actually going to get over this $hit?
    When can we say as Irish people let bygones be bygones.
    5 years, 15 years, 50 years.... never?

    Not all opposition to the British army in this country relates to the occupation or the troubles only. I would be against promoting them due to stuff they done very recently in the middle East and North Africa and also because they show no signs of not doing it again


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    #175
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 14,719 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Odhinn wrote: »
    The BA were and are an oppressive force, with crimes committed in Asia, the middle east, and Africa.

    Ah, yes whenever we need a history lesson on the evil deeds of the Brits, there will always be someone like you harping on endlessly about it, while at the same time thinking someone like Bobby Storey who threatened a rape victim (just one bit of is nastiness) is a 'great activist'.


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    #176
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 14,719 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    end of the road wrote: »
    nobody has said that any civilian killings by the IRA were justified, ever.

    Oh, but they have.. a lo,t and all the time.
    You can meet these people on this very thread.


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    #177
    cameramonkey
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    markodaly wrote: »
    Ah, yes whenever we need a history lesson on the evil deeds of the Brits, there will always be someone like you harping on endlessly about it, while at the same time thinking someone like Bobby Storey who threatened a rape victim (just one bit of is nastiness) is a 'great activist'.


    Have you an problems with any actions of the British Army anywhere at any time?


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    #178
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,124 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    markodaly wrote: »
    Ah, yes whenever we need a history lesson on the evil deeds of the Brits, .............'.




    Given the fawning that occasionally surfraces, it certainly seems that some do indeed need a lecture. Perhaps even two or three.


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    #179
    Strazdas
    Registered Users Posts: 18,880 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Bowie wrote: »
    Yes some people posted some out of order stuff.
    Some Republicans too, likely.

    Doesn't change the initial discussion.

    I think she messed up myself and made an error of judgement, but the attacks on her on social media have been hysterical and over the top.


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    #180
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Strazdas wrote: »
    I think she messed up myself and made an error of judgement, but the attacks on her on social media have been hysterical and over the top.

    Yes, but that's not what anyone is defending here. It's being used by individuals to dismiss the actual conversation or make it about 'shinners'. It's dishonest.


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    #181
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,101 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    markodaly wrote: »
    Oh, but they have.. a lo,t and all the time.
    You can meet these people on this very thread.


    oh but they haven't.
    i have followed the posters across multiple threads discussing the northern irish liberation from sectarian rule, they have never justified civilian killings.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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