Will there be another lockdown?

facehugger99

Augeo wrote: »

For July there was under 20 in hospital with Covid 19 every day ...... from mid Aug to now it's risen from 20 to 55.

Three times the number currently in hospital now compared to 3 weeks ago ........ it's the orange line in this chart...... you might notice it's rising. It doesn't look as reassuring as consistently low sounds

So 0.001% of the population is hospitalized with Covid? - terrifying stuff

facehugger99

facehugger99 wrote: »

So 0.001% of the population is hospitalized with Covid? - terrifying stuff

Very insightful stuff from you.
The fear is it's increasing.

Start of Aug 10 people, mid Aug 20 people, end of August 40 people, a week later (now) 55 people.........

I imagine the HSE, NPHET and the government won't share your view, thankfully

What Username Guidelines

facehugger99 wrote: »

So 0.001% of the population is hospitalized with Covid? - terrifying stuff

Yeah but in April when it was 0.02% of the population, the HSE were being stretched.

What Username Guidelines

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Yeah but in April when it was 0.02% of the population, the HSE were being stretched.

Could be back to that in 6 to 8 weeks unfortunately. If the current trajectory continues.

deisedevil

[Deleted User] wrote: »

We got the nursing homes under control. Thats all that was really needed.

Covid is not that serious for anyone else.

I don't think you get to choose what is written on a death cert.

And if it spreads to healthcare workers how will we continue to keep nursing homes under control.

facehugger99

Augeo wrote: »

Very insightful stuff from you.
The fear is it's increasing.

Start of Aug 10 people, mid Aug 20 people, end of August 40 people, a week later (now) 55 people.........

I imagine the HSE, NPHET and the government won't share your view, thankfully

Yes, great fear-mongering all right.

Meanwhile - no deaths from Covid in weeks.

bucketybuck

Augeo wrote: »

For July there was under 20 in hospital with Covid 19 every day ...... from mid Aug to now it's risen from 20 to 55.

Three times the number currently in hospital now compared to 3 weeks ago ........ it's the orange line in this chart...... you might notice it's rising. It doesn't look as reassuring as consistently low sounds

20 to 55 over the course of a month, those are the numbers being used to portray the current hospitalisation numbers as a problem. I hope people can realise how weak that is.

And that is without getting into the detail of those numbers. For example, how many of that 55 are people who were in hospital for another issue but turned out to also have asymptomatic covid? Some hospitals are testing everybody remember? Would it really be surprising that the hospitalisation numbers are overegged in the same way the death rate figures clearly were?

Jim_Hodge

Billythekid19 wrote: »

The reason they are catching so many cases in Beaumont is because every single patient admitted is being tested. This is not the case in most other hospitals so there are of course many asymptomatic in other hospitals but not detected.

Can you name any hospitals not testing incoming patients? I haven't come across one yet.

rob316

Augeo wrote: »

100/200/300 cases a day is the new normal IMO, if folk follow social distancing guidelines and wear masks etc we should be able to keep a lid on it.

Opening pubs would be a joke IMO, loads of folk indoors not wearing masks for hours on end and under the influence .......... too hard to control IMO. Many folk won't go near pubs when/if they open anyway but there's plenty that will.

England a country with as big a pub culture as us doesn't have these restrictions and is trending fine, actually even lower than us. Go figure

Russman

bucketybuck wrote: »

And that is without getting into the detail of those numbers. For example, how many of that 55 are people who were in hospital for another issue but turned out to also have asymptomatic covid? Some hospitals are testing everybody remember? Would it really be surprising that the hospitalisation numbers are overegged in the same way the death rate figures clearly were?

Has anyone been able to explain why a government would do this ??
Maybe its because they've no reason to, governments don't tend to want to cause mass unemployment and economic devastation just for the craic. Especially with some of the headbangers in opposition around the world waiting to take pot shots from the sidelines.

bucketybuck

bucketybuck wrote: »

20 to 55 over the course of a month, those are the numbers being used to portray the current hospitalisation numbers as a problem. I hope people can realise how weak that is......

I posted those numbers in response to your claim "hospitalisations are also remaining consistently low".

facehugger99

Russman wrote: »

Has anyone been able to explain why a government would do this ??

A Government of weak politicians, terrified of being labeled 'granny-killers' on social-media, well-insulated from the coming economic devastation and happy to hide behind the ultra-conservative 'recommendations' of a bunch of single-issue bureaucrats.

it's not very difficult to understand.

rob316

rob316 wrote: »

England a country with as big a pub culture as us doesn't have these restrictions and is trending fine, actually even lower than us. Go figure

What's England's testing regime like?

Trending fine? Seems to be increasing since the end of June, doesn't look like a great trend tbh.



New cases by week reported

facehugger99

facehugger99 wrote: »

A Government of weak politicians, terrified of being labeled 'granny-killers' on social-media, well-insulated from the coming economic devastation and happy to hide behind the ultra-conservative 'recommendations' of a bunch of single-issue bureaucrats.

it's not very difficult to understand.

Profound stuff.......

The last page of this thread fully sums up why we are failing to live with the virus while the rest of Europe is moving on as much as possible.

We have a very unhealthy obsession with lockdown in this country. We also panic the minute a number trends upwards.

4 people have died with Covid since the start of August.
6 are in ICU.
Just 131 deaths reported since end of May. (A lot of which were backlog)

Thank f*ck we don't report so much on other deaths so much. People wouldn't leave the house.

bucketybuck

Augeo wrote: »

I posted those numbers in response to your claim "hospitalisations are also remaining consistently low".

But your numbers reinforce that they are low, those are very low numbers for a pandemic situation, remarkably low in fact. Yet you use terms such as "you might notice it's rising. It doesn't look as reassuring..."

Russman wrote: »

Has anyone been able to explain why a government would do this ??

Never attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence.

facehugger99

Augeo wrote: »

What's England's testing regime like?

Trending fine? Seems to be increasing since the end of June, doesn't look like a great trend tbh.

Perhaps you could hide under your bed and we'll tell you when it's safe to come out?

bucketybuck

bucketybuck wrote: »

But your numbers reinforce that they are low, those are very low numbers for a pandemic situation, remarkably low in fact. Yet you use terms such as "you might notice it's rising. It doesn't look as reassuring..."...........

The numbers are treble what they were a month ago, that's not at all reassuring.

Are the 55 total over the last 14 days that you mention the same 55 that are currently in hospital? I would think not to be honest.

bucketybuck wrote: »

.............. its around 55 people total over the last 14 days.............

facehugger99

facehugger99 wrote: »

Perhaps you could hide under your bed and we'll tell you when it's safe to come out?

I've been out working all through the lockdown old boy. While you've been p1ssing and moaning I've been out every day all around the country.

rob316

Augeo wrote: »

What's England's testing regime like?

Trending fine? Seems to be increasing since the end of June, doesn't look like a great trend tbh.



New cases by week reported

A nation with 14 times our population, its pretty much on par with us. Their is no scientific reasoning to keep parts of the economy closed, fear is not a reason.

rob316

rob316 wrote: »

A nation with 14 times our population, its pretty much on par with us. Their is no scientific reasoning to keep parts of the economy closed, fear is not a reason.

The nation with 14 times our population had double the cases last week than they had a month ago, that's not a good trend. Your claim was that they were "trending fine".

I don't think Irish pubs will be open with new cases rising, I might be wrong. I'm not really invested wither way tbh.

rob316

rob316 wrote: »

A nation with 14 times our population, its pretty much on par with us. Their is no scientific reasoning to keep parts of the economy closed, fear is not a reason.

Is there not scientific reasoning that folk should wfh if possible? The same reasoning surely suggests folk gathering indoors without masks isn't a great idea?

Like, you shouldn't go to work if you can work from home but do go to the local every night for a few hours, no problem at all
Most pubs are full of the same folk most nights.

rob316

Augeo wrote: »

The nation with 14 times our population had double the cases last week than they had a month ago, that's not a good trend. Your claim was that they were "trending fine".

Your talking like they have went backwards though. Everyone has higher cases now as we test far more, that is a simple fact that seems to escape so many people.

Let me simplify it.

During lockdown - low testing, high cases, many deaths

After lockdown - high testing, low to mid cases, low deaths

There pubs etc have been open for months, they have over 50 countries on their green list and there daily case number hasn't exceeded 2k, there highest was in April of 7800. Last 7 day average 1630 cases.

So again their is absolutely no scientific reasoning behind the current restrictions.

bucketybuck

Augeo wrote: »

The numbers are treble what they were a month ago, that's not at all reassuring.

Are the 55 total over the last 14 days that you mention the same 55 that are currently in hospital? I would think not to be honest.

I'll say it one last time for the peanut gallery as it is clear you don't want to accept the point.

Zero deaths rising to one death would indeed be a rise. One death trebling to 3 deaths would be a rising trend. But they would not at all be significant numbers in the context of a pandemic and the restrictions in place.

It is easy for small numbers to double or treble, it takes very little for that to happen.

So anybody pointing at the statistically low numbers involved here and using them to further a narrative is using faulty logic. Anybody doing so after this has been pointed out is just wilfully ignorant.

The hospitalisations are low and the increases are far less than the fear mongers would have us believe, thats just a simple fact.

rob316

Augeo wrote: »

Is there not scientific reasoning that folk should wfh if possible? The same reasoning surely suggests folk gathering indoors without masks isn't a great idea?

Like, you shouldn't go to work if you can work from home but do go to the local every night for a few hours, no problem at all
Most pubs are full of the same folk most nights.

Our kids are gone back to school they are in similar indoor environments, we can't just say "lets keep this closed because cases might rise". How are we supposed to know if we don't even try and its not like we have the benefit of seen ahead by watching the rest of Europe....oh wait we do.

rob316

rob316 wrote: »

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Let me simplify it.

During lockdown - low testing, high cases, many deaths

After lockdown - high testing, low to mid cases, low deaths.............

We were testing plenty during lockdown.......... we are at under 2% positivity cases now.. we tested more per week during lockdown then now at times. No need for you to simplify anything.

bucketybuck wrote: »

I'll say it one last time for the peanut gallery as it is clear you don't want to accept the point. .............

What's that quip about?

bucketybuck wrote: »

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The hospitalisations are low and the increases are far less than the fear mongers would have us believe, thats just a simple fact.

They are exactly as I have detailed.

rob316

rob316 wrote: »

Our kids are gone back to school they are in similar indoor environments, we can't just say "lets keep this closed because cases might rise". How are we supposed to know if we don't even try and its not like we have the benefit of seen ahead by watching the rest of Europe....oh wait we do.

Kids at school isn't at all analogous to folk pinting of an evening, do I need to simplify that further for you?

facehugger99

Augeo wrote: »

Kids at school isn't at all analogous to folk pinting of an evening, do I need to simplify that further for you?

Your posts certainly don't need to be any more 'simple'.

facehugger99

facehugger99 wrote: »

Your posts certainly don't need to be any more 'simple'.

Ah diddums.

If you are so p1ssed off that your local is closed write a letter to a local TD, I give zero fncks that the great unwashed can't go on the p1ss a few times a week tbh
Just stump up and buy a burger FFS

Tokyo

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