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Will there be another lockdown?

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    #692
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Augeo wrote: »
    The nation with 14 times our population had double the cases last week than they had a month ago, that's not a good trend. Your claim was that they were "trending fine".

    I don't think Irish pubs will be open with new cases rising, I might be wrong. I'm not really invested wither way tbh.

    Pubs will open on 21st September. You can bet your house on that. And not before time.


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    #693
    Viscount Aggro
    Registered Users Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    There are people who love the lockdowns, and are gagging for another complete lockdown.
    Fair enough if you're an introvert. I just dont get this mentality.


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    #694
    MadYaker
    Registered Users Posts: 12,210 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Looks likely in October now if cases and hospitalisations keep going the way they are. You can see both continuing to tick up and schools open probably won't help

    https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/covid-19-daily-operations-update-2000-06-september-2020.pdf

    Depressing but likely imo :(


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    #695
    Mr. Karate
    Registered Users Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭Mr. Karate


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Pubs will open on 21st September. You can bet your house on that. And not before time.

    I'm sure they won't find a reason to shift the goal posts again by next week. :rolleyes:


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    #696
    rob316
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    Honestly just lockdown yourself if your so concerned. The rest of us are just getting on with this bull****


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    #697
    hmmm
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    bucketybuck wrote: »
    The hospitalisations are low and the increases are far less than the fear mongers would have us believe, thats just a simple fact.
    Glad to see however you've finally acknowledged that hospitalisations are rising. I was beginning to wonder whether you had a tenuous grasp on English.

    Anyone downplaying the increase in hospitalisations need to cop themselves on. We don't have infinite beds available, and the numbers can't keep ticking upwards. The way to avoid lockdowns (even local ones) is for us all to take this seriously and do our bit to reduce spread. Once the hospitalisations stop increasing, we'll know we are succeeding.


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    #698
    Happydays2020
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    hmmm wrote: »
    Glad to see however you've finally acknowledged that hospitalisations are rising. I was beginning to wonder whether you had a tenuous grasp on English.

    Anyone downplaying the increase in hospitalisations need to cop themselves on. We don't have infinite beds available, and the numbers can't keep ticking upwards. The way to avoid lockdowns (even local ones) is for us all to take this seriously and do our bit to reduce spread. Once the hospitalisations stop increasing, we'll know we are succeeding.

    What level are the hospitalisations? Are these people entering hospital with severe symptoms or tests undertaken when in for other things?


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    #699
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    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Pubs will open on 21st September. You can bet your house on that. And not before time.

    I can't see it happening nor should it happen. Its closing restaurants and pubs that are open that is needed now not opening more.

    The time has come for the gov to get the finger out and really start to think about a full country wide lockdown and get ahead of this very obvious wave thats coming. Close everything again, schools, resturants, pubs, non essential shops etc and we have some hope of containing the virus.

    Far too many people think this virus is "gone" and far far stricter measures are needed than are currently in place.


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    #700
    funnydoggy
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    Xzavier Delightful Meteorology wrote: »
    I can't see it happening nor should it happen. Its closing restaurants and pubs that are open that is needed now not opening more.

    The time has come for the gov to get the finger out and really start to think about a full country wide lockdown and get ahead of this very obvious wave thats coming. Close everything again, schools, resturants, pubs, non essential shops etc and we have some hope of containing the virus.


    Until when? Another few months? We've entered a recession. That's two in my lifetime.


    It's unrealistic and political suicide.


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    #701
    [Deleted User]
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    funnydoggy wrote: »
    Until when? Another few months? We've entered a recession. That's two in my lifetime.


    It's unrealistic and political suicide.

    As long as it takes to suppress the virus to a situation where we are going weeks without a case. Close all airports and ports also to stop any virus coming into the country - this is vital.

    We aren't taking it serious enough.


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    #702
    funnydoggy
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    Xzavier Delightful Meteorology wrote: »
    As long as it takes to suppress the virus to a situation where we are going weeks without a case. Close all airports and ports also to stop any virus coming into the country - this is vital.

    We aren't taking it serious enough.


    I get you, but weeks without a case is very hard to achieve. Not even closing the ports will do this. It's here, and in large numbers that we can't track because most cases are asymptomatic.


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    #703
    ShyMets
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    Xzavier Delightful Meteorology wrote: »
    As long as it takes to suppress the virus to a situation where we are going weeks without a case. Close all airports and ports also to stop any virus coming into the country - this is vital.

    We aren't taking it serious enough.

    I can understand where you're coming from. But to do the above would be economic suicide. And I do not believe a Government would go down this path


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    #704
    Parabellum9
    Closed Accounts Posts: 455 ✭✭Parabellum9


    Xzavier Delightful Meteorology wrote: »
    I can't see it happening nor should it happen. Its closing restaurants and pubs that are open that is needed now not opening more.

    The time has come for the gov to get the finger out and really start to think about a full country wide lockdown and get ahead of this very obvious wave thats coming. Close everything again, schools, resturants, pubs, non essential shops etc and we have some hope of containing the virus.

    Far too many people think this virus is "gone" and far far stricter measures are needed than are currently in place.

    Absolutely not, there is no justification to return a nationwide lockdown. What are they going to do when flu season starts? Will we get a running number per day of the 1000's who have a bit of a runny nose alongside the covid infection numbers?


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    #705
    Clonmel1000
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    Some of the stuff posted here is surely a joke a parody account is it? Closing the country for months actually made me laugh.


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    #706
    suicide_circus
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    Xzavier Delightful Meteorology wrote: »
    As long as it takes to suppress the virus to a situation where we are going weeks without a case. Close all airports and ports also to stop any virus coming into the country - this is vital.

    Demented. What countries are doing this?


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    #707
    daheff
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    rob316 wrote: »
    England a country with as big a pub culture as us doesn't have these restrictions and is trending fine, actually even lower than us. Go figure :confused:

    they have a big pub culture....but most are staying away from pubs at the moment


    some of the people i work with are in london. Would usually got for a pub lunch at least once a week. pubs used to be jammed. Last week not so much...tumbleweed in most of them. I can imagine its the same in the evenings too.


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    #708
    Parabellum9
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    Clonmel1000 wrote: »
    Some of the stuff posted here is surely a joke a parody account is it? Closing the country for months actually made me laugh.

    No pretty sure it's not a parody but very real - there are genuinely sad cases out there who have been praying and hoping for another lockdown since the last one ended, as if that one wasn't hardship enough. Their grasp on reality is weak and their grasp of how an economy works is even weaker.


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    #709
    weldoninhio
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    Xzavier Delightful Meteorology wrote: »
    I can't see it happening nor should it happen. Its closing restaurants and pubs that are open that is needed now not opening more.

    The time has come for the gov to get the finger out and really start to think about a full country wide lockdown and get ahead of this very obvious wave thats coming. Close everything again, schools, resturants, pubs, non essential shops etc and we have some hope of containing the virus.

    Far too many people think this virus is "gone" and far far stricter measures are needed than are currently in place.

    The sky is not falling. The govt have said they won’t row back on pubs opening again. 21st it is. Can’t wait.


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    #710
    JoeA3
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    Clonmel1000 wrote: »
    Some of the stuff posted here is surely a joke a parody account is it? Closing the country for months actually made me laugh.

    Unfortunately not. Nox is real, hard as it may be to believe. :eek: He's been posting guff like that for months across multiple forums, boring everyone into submission daily. He's positively orgasmic that there might be a few more new clusters, so he can tell us he was right all along.

    A stopped clock is right twice a day.


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    #711
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Confirmed now by the cabinet. 21st we can go drinking again


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    #712
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    weldoninhio wrote: »
    The sky is not falling. The govt have said they won’t row back on pubs opening again. 21st it is. Can’t wait.

    Of course they will row back if we have large case numbers. The general feeling Im hearing is that another lockdown is inevitable.

    Even work sent an email yesterday saying they feel it's only a matter of time before we lockdown again so if there is anything we need to come into the office to do that we need to do it soon as WFH will be the only option again soon.


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    #713
    rob316
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    Xzavier Delightful Meteorology wrote: »
    As long as it takes to suppress the virus to a situation where we are going weeks without a case. Close all airports and ports also to stop any virus coming into the country - this is vital.

    We aren't taking it serious enough.

    You can not be covid free, get that through your head. Even if you do manage it as soon as you open up it will come back. Lockdown doesn't actually work, isolating the most vunerable does. Its been proven now as the highest infection rate demographic is under 40 and we stand over 14 days without a death.

    Covid is here until we get a vaccine and that is years away so we just have to get on with it.


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    #714
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    rob316 wrote: »
    You can not be covid free, get that through your head. Even if you do manage it as soon as you open up it will come back. Lockdown doesn't actually work, isolating the most vunerable does. Its been proven now as the highest infection rate demographic is under 40 and we stand over 14 days without a death.

    Covid is here until we get a vaccine and that is years away so we just have to get on with it.

    If you eliminate every case in the country and don't import more how can you not be covid free?


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    #715
    odyssey06
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    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Confirmed now by the cabinet. 21st we can go drinking again

    Except maybe Dublin and Limerick... hints being dropped about those counties needing to stabilise or could be subject to local restrictions.
    https://www.thejournal.ie/wet-pubs-reopening-5198647-Sep2020/

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    #716
    funnydoggy
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    Xzavier Delightful Meteorology wrote: »
    If you eliminate every case in the country and don't import more how can you not be covid free?


    How can we eliminate every case?



    By some stroke of luck, we get zero cases. What happens once we open borders again?


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    #717
    Mr. Karate
    Registered Users Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭Mr. Karate


    Clonmel1000 wrote: »
    Some of the stuff posted here is surely a joke a parody account is it? Closing the country for months actually made me laugh.

    Yeah, because we didn't just do that for 3 months. :rolleyes:


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    #718
    The_Honeybadger
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    No chance of another nationwide lockdown any time soon, zero! We are much better prepared for a surge in cases than we were back in March. What is happening now is what we were told all along would happen, a phased reopening of the economy and country while we live with and deal with cases and clusters that emerge.

    Nox whoever is telling you another lockdown is imminent has no idea what they are talking about. Cases would need to snowball to disastrous levels, to the point where the hospital system would be in danger of collapse. 100 approx cases a day, most of which do not require hospitalisation is nowhere near that threshold. That may change in the coming weeks and months but for now there is absolutely no justification or appetite for another nationwide lockdown.


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    #719
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,064 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    Mr. Karate wrote: »
    Yeah, because we didn't just do that for 3 months. :rolleyes:


    We can't do it again. We have entered a new recession.


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    #720
    ShyMets
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    Xzavier Delightful Meteorology wrote: »
    If you eliminate every case in the country and don't import more how can you not be covid free?

    Even those who advocate a zero covid approach expect that it is virtual impossible to maintain zero covid in a country.

    With a zero approach we would not hermetical seal the country. The ports and air ports would still be open for goods and cargo. The virus could enter this way. People could travel to the country but would be tested and potentially quarantined. This is another way the virus could enter the country.

    A zero covid approach is about keeping cases to a very minimum but expecting that cases will occur from time to time.


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    #721
    Mr. Karate
    Registered Users Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭Mr. Karate


    funnydoggy wrote: »
    We can't do it again. We have entered a new recession.

    I know, but the media and Govt have been talking about another lockdown since before we even started re opening.

    Can we just admit that the media and Govt are in fear porn mode and get it over with?

    Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if this recession turns into a depression if things keep going the way they are.


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