Will there be another lockdown?

funnydoggy

Mr. Karate wrote: »

I know, but the media and Govt have been talking about another lockdown since before we even started re opening.

Can we just admit that the media and Govt are in fear porn mode and get it over with?

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if this recession turns into a depression if things keep going the way they are.

Oh I thought your original comment implied that we *could* because we already did.


Fair enough, and good point!

rob316

Xzavier Delightful Meteorology wrote: »

If you eliminate every case in the country and don't import more how can you not be covid free?

And once you open your borders what happens then? You think we won't get anymore cases?

Meanwhile while we lockdown, we pour billions more onto the national debt, kill retail and hospitality absolutely dead and most other businesses leading to insurmountable unemployment.

All for a virus that to date has killed 100 people who didn't have underlying conditions.

Get real.

Parabellum9

odyssey06 wrote: »

Except maybe Dublin and Limerick... hints being dropped about those counties needing to stabilise or could be subject to local restrictions.
https://www.thejournal.ie/wet-pubs-reopening-5198647-Sep2020/

The funny thing is they keep pointing the finger at Limerick when the dog on the street here knows where that figure is coming from - the virus has been out in a certain town soaking in some "culture" and also the fact that UHL is a catchment area for Tipp/Clare etc - so any recorded cases confirmed there are being attributed to Limerick by proxy.

MrMusician18

rob316 wrote: »

And once you open your borders what happens then? You think we won't get anymore cases?

Meanwhile while we lockdown, we pour billions more onto the national debt, kill retail and hospitality absolutely dead and most other businesses leading to insurmountable unemployment.

All for a virus that to date has killed 100 people who didn't have underlying conditions.

Get real.

I suppose people who have underlying conditions and have many good quality years yet to live don't really matter as people. Surplus population, I guess.

ELM327

This is going to get worse, they are opening the pubs just after the schools and just before flu season

ELM327

ELM327 wrote: »

This is going to get worse, they are opening the pubs just after the schools and just before flu season

Would you prefer if we just kept everything shut until the money runs out?

rob316

MrMusician18 wrote: »

I suppose people who have underlying conditions and have many good quality years yet to live don't really matter as people. Surplus population, I guess.

I didn't say that, but a bit of perspective is needed.

Airyfairy12

ELM327 wrote: »

This is going to get worse, they are opening the pubs just after the schools and just before flu season

They haven't a clue! They should have opened pubs before the schools for a test run and then made adjustments if numbers were rising.
As for schools, some are sticking strictly to guidelines but many aren't and classes are still going ahead despite confirmed cases within the classroom.
Since Dr. Holoran stepped down the entire situation has gotten completely out of hand and its only getting worse as hospital numbers are starting to rise.

rob316

Deleted User wrote: »

Would you prefer if we just kept everything shut until the money runs out?

The money ran out long ago, our children's children's children will be paying back this.

ELM327

Deleted User wrote: »

Would you prefer if we just kept everything shut until the money runs out?

Don't take lines from project fear. "Everything" is not closed and was never closed.


Pubs, rightly, have been one of the last to reopen as that is the most risky for adherence to social distancing.

MrMusician18

rob316 wrote: »

I didn't say that, but a bit of perspective is needed.

You excluded the vulnerable in your toll, therefore they clearly don't count to you.

funnydoggy

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

They haven't a clue! They should have opened pubs before the schools for a test run and then made adjustments if numbers were rising.
As for schools, some are sticking strictly to guidelines but many aren't and classes are still going ahead despite confirmed cases within the classroom.
Since Dr. Holoran stepped down the entire situation has gotten completely out of hand and its only getting worse as hospital numbers are starting to rise.

He presented the govt. with NPHET recommendations and was their media representative. I don't think he did much with regards to legislation did he?

ELM327

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

They haven't a clue! They should have opened pubs before the schools for a test run and then made adjustments if numbers were rising.
As for schools, some are sticking strictly to guidelines but many aren't and classes are still going ahead despite confirmed cases within the classroom.
Since Dr. Holoran stepped down the entire situation has gotten completely out of hand and its only getting worse as hospital numbers are starting to rise.

We were forced to send ours back to school, as high risk parent was not enouigh for an exemption and we were threatened with Tusla escalation.

rob316 wrote: »

The money ran out long ago, our children's children's children will be paying back this.

Just like was said about the recession in the 80's, in 1992, the dot com bubble, the 2008-2009 recession and now this. More hyperbole.

funnydoggy

ELM327 wrote: »

Don't take lines from project fear. "Everything" is not closed and was never closed.

Pubs, rightly, have been one of the last to reopen as that is the most risky for adherence to social distancing.

Except for meat plants and direct provision centres, but they were open all along.

rob316

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

They haven't a clue! They should have opened pubs before the schools for a test run and then made adjustments if numbers were rising.
As for schools, some are sticking strictly to guidelines but many aren't and classes are still going ahead despite confirmed cases within the classroom.
Since Dr. Holoran stepped down the entire situation has gotten completely out of hand and its only getting worse as hospital numbers are starting to rise.

Really you believe that? Tony Holohan was keeping a lid on the virus? It wasn't anything to do with us been in lockdown?

How stupid are people that they can't understand once you open up cases rise.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Would you prefer if we just kept everything shut until the money runs out?

The money doesn’t run out this is just nonsense talk. We can basically borrow an unlimited amount.

Large parts of the economy can continue to work away as has been proven with WFH and places that have demonstrated they can safely operate like pharma, medical devices etc.

The tax returns for the county are on target this year for what was predicted so there has not been nearly as much a fall off as some people would like to claim. House prices are still rising too another indication that we are no really in a normal recession at all, if we are in any type of recession which we really aren’t.

The gov can support those who can’t work as they have been, we won’t be turned down for loans and it just gets added to the debt that we will never repay anyway.

As someone else said people were saying we would never recover from previous recessions which were far worse than this one.

Lock it down hard and fast and we might just get ahead of this wave that’s coming.

weldoninhio

Xzavier Delightful Meteorology wrote: »

Of course they will row back if we have large case numbers. The general feeling Im hearing is that another lockdown is inevitable.

Even work sent an email yesterday saying they feel it's only a matter of time before we lockdown again so if there is anything we need to come into the office to do that we need to do it soon as WFH will be the only option again soon.

They’ve announced it now. 21st is the grand reopening!! Cannot wait. I’ll be there from opening

weldoninhio

Xzavier Delightful Meteorology wrote: »

The money doesn’t run out this is just nonsense talk. We can basically borrow an unlimited amount.

Large parts of the economy can continue to work away as has been proven with WFH and places that have demonstrated they can safely operate like pharma, medical devices etc.

The tax returns for the county are on target this year for what was predicted so there has not been nearly as much a fall off as some people would like to claim. House prices are still rising too another indication that we are no really in a normal recession at all, if we are in any type of recession which we really aren’t.

The gov can support those who can’t work as they have been, we won’t be turned down for loans and it just gets added to the debt that we will never repay anyway.

As someone else said people were saying we would never recover from previous recessions which were far worse than this one.

Lock it down hard and fast and we might just get ahead of this wave that’s coming.

Tell you what, you hide under your bed and the rest of us will let you know when the Covid passes.

ShyMets

Xzavier Delightful Meteorology wrote: »

The money doesn’t run out this is just nonsense talk. We can basically borrow an unlimited amount.

Large parts of the economy can continue to work away as has been proven with WFH and places that have demonstrated they can safely operate like pharma, medical devices etc.

The tax returns for the county are on target this year for what was predicted so there has not been nearly as much a fall off as some people would like to claim. House prices are still rising too another indication that we are no really in a normal recession at all, if we are in any type of recession which we really aren’t.

The gov can support those who can’t work as they have been, we won’t be turned down for loans and it just gets added to the debt that we will never repay anyway.

As someone else said people were saying we would never recover from previous recessions which were far worse than this one.

Lock it down hard and fast and we might just get ahead of this wave that’s coming.

What makes you think we won't have to repay the debt.

saabsaab

Localized lockdowns very likely now. Just look at the figures over the next week. Parts of Dublin and other clusters to be first.

ShyMets

ShyMets wrote: »

What makes you think we won't have to repay the debt.

We will just keep plugging away making repayments like every other country in the world. No country actually repays their national debt.

ShyMets

Xzavier Delightful Meteorology wrote: »

We will just keep plugging away making repayments like every other country in the world. No country actually repays their national debt.

But if a countries national debut becomes too high. Borrowing costs become prohibitive. This results in the Government having to reducing spending and tax increases in order to get a hold of the debt. Which plunges a country into recession of if already in recession keeps it mired there.

Its really not a good idea for the Government to keep borrowing money

Geuze

Xzavier Delightful Meteorology wrote: »

The money doesn’t run out this is just nonsense talk. We can basically borrow an unlimited amount.

The tax returns for the county are on target this year for what was predicted so there has not been nearly as much a fall off as some people would like to claim. House prices are still rising too another indication that we are no really in a normal recession at all, if we are in any type of recession which we really aren’t.


As someone else said people were saying we would never recover from previous recessions which were far worse than this one.

Lock it down hard and fast and we might just get ahead of this wave that’s coming.

We can't borrow an unlimited amount, although yes, so far, borrowing conditions have been good.

Income tax and CT yields have held up, yes, although VAT is down. Bear in mind that Govt exp is up big time, and the deficit will be very big.

It is not a normal recession, correct.

House prices are not really affected so far, correct.

Richard Hillman

I am not adhering to a lockdown for the remnants of a virus that currently has a 0.1% chance of killing somebody.

3305 cases over the last 30 days and 5 deaths (and we reckon a lot of this deaths are from previous months).

odyssey06

Good article on the Journal on possibility of Dublin & Limerick only measures:

• Any decisions on additional coronavirus measures for Dublin and Limerick are unlikely to be made by Cabinet until next week, with NPHET due to discuss potential changes to measures at its usual Thursday meeting before making any recommendations.
• It’s likely further restrictions on houshold visiting numbers will be among the measures discussed when NPHET next meets.
• "any return to something approaching a ‘lockdown’ situation in Dublin would not be workable due to the numbers travelling in and out of the city each day"
• Unlike Kildare – where public health teams could track Covid-19 closely as it moved from meat factories into households – Dublin’s cases are spread more widely. Cases rose in Dublin in mid-August but remained stable until late last week. It is estimated that one quarter of Dublin’s recent cases were through community transmission, where there is no clear source of infection.
• Another senior public health source said government may be compelled more quickly than next week in the event that cases continue to rise more sharply – and decisions may have to be made sooner.

https://www.thejournal.ie/dublin-limerick-coronavirus-lockdown-measures-5198987-Sep2020/

Richard Hillman

Richard Hillman wrote: »

I am not adhering to a lockdown for the remnants of a virus that currently has a 0.1% chance of killing somebody.

3305 cases over the last 30 days and 5 deaths (and we reckon a lot of this deaths are from previous months).

Absolutely disgusting outlook from an obvious covidiot- did you get a pencil case when you joined the Gemma fan club?

Hopefully you will get the full wrath of the law if you refusing to comply with a lockdown or the current rules.

rob316

People still use that childish word "covidiot" :rolleyes:

nthclare

Xzavier Delightful Meteorology wrote: »

Absolutely disgusting outlook from an obvious covidiot- did you get a pencil case when you joined the Gemma fan club?

Hopefully you will get the full wrath of the law if you refusing to comply with a lockdown or the current rules.

Hopefully you'll get some empathy and stop wishing bad vibes on someone you don't even know.

Full wrath of the law lol ohh I see were in the midst of a curtain twitcher, teacher snitching moral achiever.

You Remind me of the nun in Fr Ted...

MadYaker

Hopefully localised lockdowns and not a full national one but more extreme measures are probably inevitable. Id half convinced myself over the last month or so that this wouldn't happen even though I suppose I always knew it was likely in the autumn.

JTMan

odyssey06 wrote: »

[*]"any return to something approaching a ‘lockdown’ situation in Dublin would not be workable due to the numbers travelling in and out of the city each day"

One thing they could do is tell Dublin city centre offices to shut (they are not all shut) unless there is compelling evidence that the activity cannot be done from home. The language needs to be even stronger around WFH, not all companies are listening. I was shocked by how packed several buses were going into the city this morning.